The Not-so-factual Factbook

I just purchased Logos 9 Legacy Starter pack and have been using it for 4 days now. So far, I am having a hate/love relationship with it. Besides the fact that most tutorials are geared towards the high-end/high-cost version and leaving me confused as to why I can't get certain features to work, duh! I cannot seem to figure out the Factbook

I am following a tutorial that is on my home page, you know the one where they try to sell you everything, and it states to open the Factbook and type "Baptism" and then select " Baptism Systematic Theology". So I do but I get "No Results". Wait, how is that possible? I just had Systematic Theology opened and was reading it! So I opened the book again and searched "Baptism", I get tons of info. 509 references to be exact! So why can't Factbook do this? Do I need to spend more $$ to have that function work? (Sarcasm)

So what am I doing wrong?

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DMB

Yep ... me neither. But don't feel bad ... my library's only about 6,000 or so, and maybe $50K or so. Pretty tiny.

But the principle seems to be 'tagging' ... if your Systematic Theology volume 3 isn't tagged for Factbook, it's a NoBook. And apparently I'm tagged-free (on Baptism - Systematic Theology).

My other Factbook complaint (besides not wanting to be fed pre-digested 'facts'), is if you right-click a word that Factbook knows about, Factbook is MIA. Even Text Comparison can deduce more than that. You have to open Factbook ... type in the word (or paste) and off you go. Really convenient.

Paul Bradshaw

That's a pretty big library! Mine is more like 176, much left to be desired.

MJ. Smith

So why can't Factbook do this?

Why can't a flour mill mill logs? The search is showing you places where the word "baptism" appears; Factbook is showing you books on the topic of baptism. Note there is a middle ground in which the search shows you text tagged as on the topic of baptism - the section rather than the entire book on the subject.

Paul Bradshaw

Oohhh, sarcasm and funny jokes. Love it. I asked because it's done in the tutorial. So why can't I reproduce it? I'm not asking it to mill logs, just do what the guy in the tutorial did. There is no need for your snark. It isn't helpful. But thanks anyway.

MJ. Smith

So why can't I reproduce it?

It depends upon what is in your library. I've added a screen shot from my application which may help clarify the situation. I have books meeting the necessary qualifications - their titles should help you see what sorts into which category.

Sorry my play on apples to oranges rubbed you the wrong way. I assure you that "snarky" as used from the mid-90's on is outside my vocabulary and behavior.

Paul Bradshaw

Yet you get results in your Systematic Theology section. I don't. Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Looking at your screenshot, the books you have in the Systematic Theology, do not have Baptism in their title. Yet they mention Baptism, yes? So they show up. Yes?

MJ. Smith

to check to see if there should be results in Systematic Theologies from your library:

Open a search panel
Select the books tab For resources change all books to systematic theologies book type use the search argument LSTO:baptism run the search - the result should match what you have in the Factbook section
For resources change all books to systematic theologies book type
use the search argument LSTO:baptism
run the search - the result should match what you have in the Factbook section

If you open your library in detail view, you can click on type to sort the results and see what Systematic Theology books you have - these are the only books that will be considered by either the Search or the Factbook. If you have results in the Search but not in the Factbook you may have found a bug. Note that we are NOT looking for the word "baptism" we are looking for a Lexham Systematic Theology Ontology tag of baptism i.e. a section in a Systematic Theology book discussing the theology of baptism.

Graham Criddle

Yet you get results in your Systematic Theology section. I don't.

It looks that, according to your screenshot, you don't get a Systematic Theology section

I think, but am not sure, that this requires an additional dataset - https://www.logos.com/product/183794/systematic-theology-cross-references-dataset - that is available in Logos 10 Bronze Feature Upgrade and above.

MJ. Smith

My other Factbook complaint (besides not wanting to be fed pre-digested 'facts'), is if you right-click a word that Factbook knows about, Factbook is MIA. Even Text Comparison can deduce more than that. You have to open Factbook ... type in the word (or paste) and off you go.

I don't know how you manage to get it to not give results. After you have selected the tab on the left as to hat information you are talking about, are you clicking the Factbook option near the top on the right side? If there isn't a factbook option that means your selection for type of information on the left is not a type Factbook processes. From your description are you wanting lemma?

Paul Bradshaw

So my Systematic Theology book doesn't belong in the Systematic Theology section? Weird. What if I paid $600? Then would it belong? Rhetorical question.

I am not a pastor and don't give sermons. I'm just trying to enrich my home church. The Bibles and commentaries work quite well so I guess that's all I need. I'll stop complaining now.

DMB

I don't know how you manage to get it to not give results. After you have selected the tab on the left as to hat information you are talking about, are you clicking the Factbook option near the top on the right side? If there isn't a factbook option that means your selection for type of information on the left is not a type Factbook processes. From your description are you wanting lemma?

Probably I'm not being clear. The example below is just a simple one ... reading along .... a word Factbook knows about (untagged) ... right-click it ... everybody knows about the word except Factbook. I did check to see I'm online (who knows! ... I can even report a typo!).

MJ. Smith

I understand - a selection is to the best of my knowledge never a factbook entry. The entry in factbook always has a tag associated with it. The untagged entries in the drop down menu are always ambiguous asking you to select a type.

Kiyah

Are you a new user or upgrading from a previous version of Logos? The Legacy libraries are just books without features. If you want the Starter or Bronze features, you would need to buy a Logos 10 package. The feature sets come with the current version base packages, or you can buy a feature set stand-alone. They don't come with Legacy libraries.

Dave Hooton

Paul,

Yet you get results in your Systematic Theology section. I don't.

You need https://www.logos.com/product/166212/lexham-systematic-theology-ontology-dataset which would be cheaper than upgrading to the Silver Features. It will show the single ST book you get with Logos 9 Starter.

I have a bigger Library and also do not get any results in Books from your Library!

I think, but am not sure, that this requires an additional dataset - https://www.logos.com/product/183794/systematic-theology-cross-references-dataset -

This can be purchased at https://www.logos.com/product/53402/systematic-theology-cross-references-dataset

You can also purchase https://www.logos.com/product/56415/biblical-theology-cross-references-dataset and each dataset has its own Theologies section in Passage Guide. Both are available in the Bronze Feature Upgrade.