Evangelical Exegetical Commentary

Matt Hamrick
Matt Hamrick Member Posts: 663 ✭✭
edited November 20 in Resources Forum

Can we please get a current update? Many of us are concerned this commentary series is dead.

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  • Mal Walker
    Mal Walker Member Posts: 401 ✭✭✭

    I can't provide much information, but it isn't dead as far as I am aware. Lexham refreshed the series about 1.5 years ago, with Temper Longman III brought on as the new general editor. https://blog.lexhampress.com/2022/02/16/announcing-a-new-general-editor-for-the-evangelical-exegetical-commentary/

    Additionally, there are a bunch of commentaries that have come out recently in digital format but haven't been released yet in print. https://lexhampress.com/Evangelical-Exegetical-Commentary

    But yeah, even for commentaries, this series seems to be quite slow to produce with little public information. Which seems a shame, not just for those of you who pre-ordered it, but they have produced some really good content so far and it would be good for God's church to have access to more of these resources.

    Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia

  • Jake Mailhot (Lexham)
    Jake Mailhot (Lexham) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 135

    I do have an update on three EEC titles:

    1. Galatians by Michael Burer is tentatively scheduled for 7/24/2024
    2. Job by Duane Garrett is tentatively scheduled for 7/24/2024
    3. 1 & 2 Kings by John Oswalt is tentatively scheduled for 1/15/2025

    Just to reiterate, these are tentative dates for the print editions -- it's likely that these volumes will be available in Logos ahead of these dates, though I don't have a specific timeframe for their availability in the platform.

  • Ronald Quick
    Ronald Quick Member Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭

    Jake,

    Thanks.  Updates like this are helpful. 

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    I do have an update on three EEC titles:

    1. Galatians by Michael Burer is tentatively scheduled for 7/24/2024
    2. Job by Duane Garrett is tentatively scheduled for 7/24/2024
    3. 1 & 2 Kings by John Oswalt is tentatively scheduled for 1/15/2025

    Jake, will these be available as individual purchases?

  • Jake Mailhot (Lexham)
    Jake Mailhot (Lexham) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 135

    Don Awalt said:

    Jake, will these be available as individual purchases?

    Yes, these volumes will be available for individual purchase, but the early access to the Logos editions will be exclusive to users who already own the licenses to them via the full 44-volume collection. 

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭
  • Matt Hamrick
    Matt Hamrick Member Posts: 663 ✭✭

    Thank you Jake but we don't care about the print edition although I am sure some people do. But those who purchased the digital version several years ago are only concerned with the digital version. Four years seems a long time between releases.

  • Mal Walker
    Mal Walker Member Posts: 401 ✭✭✭

    I like the print versions...because that's what my library buys and I'm too poor to purchase even the digital ones myself 😢

    Also, the new cover designs are pretty 😍

    Current MDiv student at Trinity Theological College - Perth, Western Australia

  • Garrell Calton
    Garrell Calton Member Posts: 69 ✭✭

    Jake, what has happened to the Buist Fanning Commentary?  In another thread, you stated, 

    image Jake Mailhot (Faithlife):

    Hello all,

    I've got an update on a few volumes from our academic editor:


    On the NT side, both Michael Burer (Galatians) and Buist Fanning (Hebrews) are close to submitting manuscripts. On the OT side, Richard Averbeck is supposed to submit his manuscript for Leviticus this fall. Additionally the OT editors are close to completing a review of both John Oswalt’s 1–2 Kings and Abner Chou’s Deuteronomy. That's in addition to Joshua and 1 & 2 Chronicles which were already in review with the OT editors.


    All of these volumes still have to go through author revision and editorial review, and since that process is unique to each volume the timeline is difficult to predict. It's possible some of these volumes will be on the publication schedule for the second half of 2022. Lexham and the series editors are working diligently to get the manuscripts in great condition and out into the world.

    Thanks for your continued patience and support for the series.

    In this thread post, I do not see Fanning even being mentioned.  Any thoughts/comments?  What has happened to Logos regarding the EEC?

  • Jake Mailhot (Lexham)
    Jake Mailhot (Lexham) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 135

    Hello all,

    I have a few updates to share about the EEC. We're pleased to announce 22 new authors have been contracted to write volumes in the series. New General Editor Tremper Longman III and the rest of the editorial team have been hard at work securing the commitment of these new contributors and are very excited about the caliber of scholarship they will bring to the series.

    The new authors and volumes they are writing are:

    • Genesis - David Lamb
    • Leviticus - John Goldingay
    • Numbers - Bill Fullilove
    • Deuteronomy - Rebekah Josberger
    • Ruth - Isabelle Hamley
    • 1–2 Chronicles - Benjamin Johnson
    • Psalms - Andrew Abernethy and Elizabeth Backfish
    • Ecclesiastes - Dominick Hernandez
    • Isaiah - Megan Roberts and Kevin Foth
    • Jeremiah - Ron Lindo
    • Ezekiel - John Goldingay
    • Hosea, Joel, Obadiah - Derek Bass
    • Nahum, Habbakuk, Zephaniah - David Firth
    • Luke - Peter Orr
    • Acts - L. Scott Kellum
    • Romans - A. Andrew Das
    • 1 Corinthians - Jeffrey Weima
    • 2 Corinthians - David Briones
    • James - Brandon Crowe
    • 2 Peter - Alexander Stewart
    • Revelation - Brian Tabb

    There are three volumes that are currently vacant -- Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi; Matthew; and 1–2 Thessalonians -- and the editorial team is currently seeking new authors for these volumes. 

    In addition, the three volumes in hand with the Lexham editorial team are still on track to release as noted in a previous post:

    1. Galatians by Michael Burer is tentatively scheduled for 7/24/2024
    2. Job by Duane Garrett is tentatively scheduled for 7/24/2024
    3. 1 & 2 Kings by John Oswalt is tentatively scheduled for 1/15/2025

    Thanks for your continued patience and support for the series.

  • Ronald Quick
    Ronald Quick Member Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭

    Jake,

    Thanks for the update.  Keeping us updated on authors, tentative release dates, etc. is very much appreciated.  

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭

    I also want to say thank you for the updates, and I appreciate them. But I must say my excitement for the series is lessoned now. Several of the authors have changed greatly, as well as a theological stances that were originally present when the series was created. I was looking forward to Averback on Leviticus and Stallard on revelation. I am tiring of Goldingay, commentaries And revelation switched from dispensational to eclectic.

  • I purchased this entire commentary set 12 years ago. It is much different for me than originally advertised. Why is a refund not an option?

  • Rick Carmickle
    Rick Carmickle Member Posts: 28 ✭✭

    I purchased this series in June 2011 for $749. That's more than 12 years ago. We were told the entire series would be published within 6 years. Galatians by Michael Burer is "tentatively scheduled" for 2018, and now it's 7/24/2024. If you don't demand the manuscript from these authors, it may never get it done. There is a lack of commitment to those of us who helped fund this series by paying in advance. 

  • Matt Hamrick
    Matt Hamrick Member Posts: 663 ✭✭

    I purchased this series in June 2011 for $749. That's more than 12 years ago. We were told the entire series would be published within 6 years. Galatians by Michael Burer is "tentatively scheduled" for 2018, and now it's 7/24/2024. If you don't demand the manuscript from these authors, it may never get it done. There is a lack of commitment to those of us who helped fund this series by paying in advance. 

    This has definitely been a headache for those of us who purchased the digital version. It's like they don't care about us. We paid and now they only care about the print volumes nobody has paid for yet. While I am not sure if I will even be alive to get the entire series. I don't want a refund. The volumes in my Library are fantastic.
  • Garrell Calton
    Garrell Calton Member Posts: 69 ✭✭

    Would the owner of Faithlife please speak up on this issue.  You have taken peoples money and not done what is right.  Unacceptable!  Please reach out to those who paid up front and apologize for this issue and come to some sort of consensus of resolution. 

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,613 ✭✭✭

     You have taken peoples money and not done what is right.  Unacceptable!  Please reach out to those who paid up front and apologize for this issue

    Garrell, do you REALLY think that's what Bob did (former CEO)? Do you think he was (1) stupid, (2) dishonest, (3) naive, or (4) all of the above?  I've never met him, but my impression is that he received commitments, when he agreed to rescue the set.  If I remember right, he mentioned 2014 as the target date ... someone made those commitments to him.

    My guess is they're more frustrated than you ... chances are good, the estimated ECC profit margin never materialized, and years of paying staff ... on and on and on, has not been a good time for them.  Much less frustrated product owners.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • Garrell Calton
    Garrell Calton Member Posts: 69 ✭✭

    DMB, No disrespect to Bob or the current owner.  There just needs to be more transparency of what is going on with EEC.  They simply have peoples money and need to either refund the money or be a bit more forth coming on a consistant basis with the EEC.  Your assumption of me stating 1. stupid, dishonest, naive, or all of the above was never stated!  I know they are frustrated, we on the other end are def frustrated as to the many forum posts that have been mentioned.  Thanks for your thoughts.  

  • Garrell Calton
    Garrell Calton Member Posts: 69 ✭✭

    Jake, 

    Any update would be greatly appreciated on the EEC.  

    Garrell

  • Jake Mailhot (Lexham)
    Jake Mailhot (Lexham) Member, Logos Employee Posts: 135

    Garrell,

    I have no substantial update about the EEC beyond what was posted in October.

    The Galatians and Job volumes are on track to be published in print in July and will be available in Logos sooner than that (though I don't have specific date -- possibly as soon as March).

    1 Kings is moving through our editorial process and is on track to publish in January 2025 (with the Logos edition releasing ahead of that date like the other two volumes).

    We're also working on getting 1 & 2 Samuel into print and the Logos edition just received an update as part of that process.

  • Dean J. Ferguson
    Dean J. Ferguson Member Posts: 55

    Surprised and pleased to find Harry Hoffner on 1 and 2 Samuel added to my library this afternoon.  I must confess my weakness; I was uncertain that it would happen in my lifetime.  My confidence is being restored (slowly).  Thanks Jake.

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭

    Surprised and pleased to find Harry Hoffner on 1 and 2 Samuel added to my library this afternoon.  I must confess my weakness; I was uncertain that it would happen in my lifetime.  My confidence is being restored (slowly).  Thanks Jake.

    I might be missing something but this volume was released in 2015 I believe

  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭

    Garrell,

    I have no substantial update about the EEC beyond what was posted in October.

    The Galatians and Job volumes are on track to be published in print in July and will be available in Logos sooner than that (though I don't have specific date -- possibly as soon as March).

    1 Kings is moving through our editorial process and is on track to publish in January 2025 (with the Logos edition releasing ahead of that date like the other two volumes).

    We're also working on getting 1 & 2 Samuel into print and the Logos edition just received an update as part of that process.

    Thank you Jake! I know this is low on the priority list but I still have several volumes that show the old covers. I know James was removed but Jude and Samuel still show the old style.

  • Dean J. Ferguson
    Dean J. Ferguson Member Posts: 55

    I was thinking of the original offering of the series advertising the advantages of going with an electronic only series.  With electronic editions authors would not be constrained by page limits often times found in print books.  This would allow an author to pursue select topics and rabbit trails in the commentary.  There would also be opportunities for authors to regularly revise their work in incorporate new information and further study.

    These are dimensions of the series that have not been developed as much as I thought they might be in the series.

  • Mattillo
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  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    Mattillo said:

    Job popped in my library today! FYI

    My best information doesn't have this being released until 7/24?! How did you get this now?

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

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  • Mattillo
    Mattillo Member Posts: 6,116 ✭✭✭

    My only guess is that I own the entire set. I bought it many moons ago. It isn’t showing on mobile though but did on my desktop earlier

  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    Mattillo said:

    My only guess is that I own the entire set. I bought it many moons ago. It isn’t showing on mobile though but did on my desktop earlier

    Mattilo, I checked with Support and they claim that the most likely explanation is the version you have is an ebook and not the research edition, which will become available in July. Can you verify this?

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

    International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

    MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.2 1TB SSD

  • Kenneth Neighoff
    Kenneth Neighoff Member Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭

    Mattillo said:

    My only guess is that I own the entire set. I bought it many moons ago. It isn’t showing on mobile though but did on my desktop earlier

    Mattilo, I checked with Support and they claim that the most likely explanation is the version you have is an ebook and not the research edition, which will become available in July. Can you verify this?

    Beloved,

    from Jake's post  the first one in this thread-  The Galatians and Job volumes are on track to be published in print in July and will be available in Logos sooner than that (though I don't have specific date -- possibly as soon as March).

  • Beloved Amodeo
    Beloved Amodeo Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭

    Beloved,

    from Jake's post  the first one in this thread-  The Galatians and Job volumes are on track to be published in print in July and will be available in Logos sooner than that (though I don't have specific date -- possibly as soon as March).

    Kenneth, I'm trying to sort out how things stand with the digital version of this resource which is what I thought Mattilo was referring to. My apologies if I have created any confusion here.

    Meanwhile, Jesus kept on growing wiser and more mature, and in favor with God and his fellow man.

    International Standard Version. (2011). (Lk 2:52). Yorba Linda, CA: ISV Foundation.

    MacBook Pro MacOS Sequoia 15.2 1TB SSD