Removal of Search icon in main toolbar in 30.0.0 (6)
The update notes for 30.0.0 (6) - shown in Testflight - have"
Improved: Replace Search Button with Bible Button on the main toolbar
But comparing a 30.0.0 Logos app with a 29.0 Verbum app the only difference is that the Search button has been removed. There was already a Bible button
What is intended here?
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Thanks for bringing this up, Graham. I'll investigate and report back when I have an update.
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Graham, any chance you were on a tablet? The search button was replaced with a bible button on phones, but tablet users should of had the Bible button.
I updated the release notes to be more clear.-
Replace Search Button with Bible Button on the main toolbar when accessing on a mobile phone.
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Matt Mattox (Faithlife) said:
tablet users should of had the Bible button.
Totally unimportant, but as the mobile app is narrowed, the Bible icon goes first before the search (on a Mac). Just interesting.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Hi Matt
Matt Mattox (Faithlife) said:Graham, any chance you were on a tablet?
Thanks for checking and clarifying. Yes, I was using a tablet (I run the beta app on my iPad).
On the stable Verbum app, I see a Bible and a Search icon
While on the beta Logos app I don’t see a search icon
From your reply earlier it looks as though this wasn’t intentional
Are you able to clarify please?
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What was the goal with this change? I prefer being able to type the reference in. It’s much quicker than trying to click through multiple choices (book then chapter then verse). I use the app on mobile phone regularly and hope the team will consider restoring the option to type the reference.
I’ve also noticed in a fairly recent update that clicking in the reference field requires a few second delay before the full reference is selected. That change made it clunkier to type in the reference also Because Inwould type 2-3 character before it selected everything in the box.0 -
Graham Criddle said:
While on the beta Logos app I don’t see a search icon
Over the last few days I have been using the mobile app quite a bit and, on both occasions, the lack of a search button in the toolbar was something I really noticed.
It would be really helpful to know if this change is planned to be reversed.
Thanks, Graham
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Rick Hutchinson said:
I prefer being able to type the reference in.
I'm not on the mobile team, but I also run the beta and noticed this change. I found that if you tap the Search (magnifying glass) icon on the resource toolbar, and then type in a Bible reference, the app will offer the option to navigate to that reference. So this functionality hasn't been removed, but has been moved behind the Search icon.
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Thanks Bradley for responding
Bradley Grainger (Logos) said:I found that if you tap the Search (magnifying glass) icon on the resource toolbar, and then type in a Bible reference, the app will offer the option to navigate to that reference. So this functionality hasn't been removed, but has been moved behind the Search icon.
I see what you are saying but the functionality is different.
The search options available from the search icon in the toolbar are an inline search, a "full" search on the open book, a search on all books in the library or a search on all open books (along with some Factbook search options)
Whereas the search function previously availalble in the toolbar defaulted to searching my top Bible - which is most often what I want to be doing.
And the search icon in the resource toolbar isn't available if I have, for example the Factbook tool or a Sermon document, open.
I'm still struggling to understand why it was removed!
Apologies Bradley - I’ve just seen you were replying to Rick and not me!
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I thought I had tried that But Apparently I didnt click “Go” after typing the reference. Based on your reply, this is working well and meets what I need. I’ll need to reprogram my brain to click search instead of where I used to click but that shouldn’t be an issue.
On that note, it might be worth adding an option alongside the “in Line”, “All Open Books” etc options for “lookup reference”. It wasn’t intuitive to click Go and I imagine many users will struggle to understand this change.
Thanks for the response.
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Just following up on this.
I thought that from Matt's comment above it was possible that removing the search button on tablets had been an oversight.
But with the stable version having just dropped - with the search button removed - I just wanted to check again whether this was intentional and if so whether it could be reversed?
It just seems, to me, a removal of very useful functionality for no good reason.
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Graham,
I'm sorry I didn't notice this thread earlier. It sounds like the thing you're missing most is the ability to search your top Bible when you're not actually reading your Bible. At the moment, the workflow would be:
- Hit the Bible button to open your preferred Bible
- Tap the search button and enter your search
- Tap Inline or This book
Alternatively, you could:
- Tap the Hamburger menu
- Tab Search
Do either of these alternatives work for you?
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Hi Mark - and thanks for responding.
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:It sounds like the thing you're missing most is the ability to search your top Bible when you're not actually reading your Bible
No - it's actually more general.
I can be reading in my preferred Bible and come across something and want to either search within the Bible or in my wider library. I know I can initiate this search using the search icon at the top of the panel but it seems more of a process than simply clicking a search icon at the bottom of the screen.
Or I can be reading in a book and want to conduct a search - either in a Bible or elsewhere.
Or I can have the Factbook Tool open and want to search something - and in that case there isn't even a search icon at the top of the panel
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:At the moment, the workflow would be:
- Hit the Bible button to open your preferred Bible
- Tap the search button and enter your search
- Tap Inline or This book
I recognise that, but previously it was clicking a search icon and entering the search. So I come back to asking why it was felt necessary to change this.
Mark Barnes (Logos) said:Alternatively, you could:
- Tap the Hamburger menu
- Tab Search
Yes that does work - although it is two taps as opposed to one to get a search panel open. And, sometimes, the hamburger menu is "down a few levels" due to things I have been doing - yesterday when I opened it it would have shown mobile favorites - and it is then necessary to navigate back up the hamburger menu.
I hope this helps outline some of the reasons I am struggling with the change.
Thanks, Graham
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