FEEDBACK WANTED: New Resource Toolbar on Desktop
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Right now, I just need the blue 'New' button to go away.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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NB.Mick said:
Since this is the official thread about the new toolbar, I want to link to this other thread which describes an issue: the parallel books don't show the pop-up ...
Sorry. Since the parallel books dropdown is in the same proximity (especially in narrow panels like I typically have open) my brain jumped to the conclusion they were connected.
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I love the new resource toolbar. It makes navigating easier.
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Not a fan. I find it requires more steps to simply put the text in column form or change the text sizing. What's confusing is formatting and view. Seems to me you can collapse view into formatting.
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Yes, Please! I get showing new features, but the advertisement shouldn't be a part of the UI. Please consider changing this strategy in the future. Most apps handle this with some intro pop-ups that never return.Doc B said:Right now, I just need the blue 'New' button to go away.
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Martin Diers said:
but the advertisement shouldn't be a part of the UI.
It is not advertisement but a feedback mechanism.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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The blue button appears to have been a master strategy, people cannot stop looking at it and talking about it.
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Antony Brennan said:
The blue button appears to have been a master strategy, people cannot stop looking at it and talking about it.
Well, in fairness, it's likely why many are here. Which demonstrates that it's working. It's understandable though that some are bothered. However, it's prudent to remember that nothing lasts forever. In this case, that's a very good thing.
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I am not much a fan either. The old set of easily clickable icons appears to be gone and not recoverable (and it was very efficient!). Hiding things that are commonly used behind drop-down menus is a bit frustrating.
The main tool I used to click on and off regularly was the interlinear—and that is now three clicks instead of one (one to select "view," one to select the interlinear dropdown and one to toggle it on and off). The same is also true with the text markings.
I am not sure if it is related or not, but Factbook tagging seems to change the function of the left click for some words to open the Factbook in the Spanish language version of the app (not something I would want) but thankfully doesn't do this in the English version (which is ok for me but inconvenient when interacting with my Spanish-speaking students).
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One minor tweak would help me. I would like to be able to ctrl+click on secondary menus to toggle the on-off button without me having to open the the secondary menu tab.
The image shows the on-off button. But I would not even see the button if I could just ctrl-click on the secondary tab.
A bonus would be to have the whole menu system hide itself after - or at least have the secondary menu fold itself up out of the way.
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Enabling/Disabling the interlinear view should be under the View menu.
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Tom Barbaro said:
Enabling/Disabling the interlinear view should be under the View menu.
It is, right?
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Really not a fan of the new toolbar at all. Please put all the features in 1 spot, as before. I don't want to memorize tab categories to perform basic functions, like zooming in and out, turning on interlinear, accessing history, or linking sets. Very annoying.
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Corey DeFrancesco said:
Please put all the features in 1 spot, as before.
You realize that the new toolbar includes not only the old toolbar functions (minus equivalent resources) but also some functions that were hidden in the panel menu.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Just chiming in again that I absolutely love the new toolbar and how easy it is to find functions that were often buried (removed?) when I was using narrow panels under the old UI.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course; I just don't want my view, which I'm sure is also shared by many, to get drowned out.
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In almost every Windows program there is a way to access the main menu via the keyboard. Libreoffice Writer for example : Alt+F = File menu ; Alt+V = View menu ; Alt+O = Format menu ; Alt+T = Tools menu ... And generally, pressing Alt by itself lights up the main menu shortcuts. see image
Very seldom do I have to go mousing around for the menus and submenus.
Furthermore, most other apps have the menu row in one place at the top, beneath the title bar where it takes up minimal room and allows for the program window to maximize real estate for the work area(s).
I don't mind the Logos menu system. But I think it has a long way to go to reach the level of keyboard convenience that is almost standard for Most other apps.
I would prefer full hotkey access to the menus. I also would prefer a standard toolbar at the top of the Logos window. I realize each book has its own options. But it would be more convenient for me if the menu was in one place but still able to control each book's options from a single menu or toolbar. The toolbar would, I assume, have to adapt depending on the type of book that had focus.
This is presented as an option.
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MJ. Smith said:Corey DeFrancesco said:
Please put all the features in 1 spot, as before.
You realize that the new toolbar includes not only the old toolbar functions (minus equivalent resources) but also some functions that were hidden in the panel menu.
I've seen a few comments from different users about this.... I'm wondering how a single click on a three dot menu that then cleanly lists everything is hidden or buried... Same with the "hamburger" menu for the ToC, Notes and Favorites...
I'd like to hear what some of the "hidden" and "buried" features are under the Classic Toolbar.... Possibly something I rarely use?
Also, for those of us that prefer the Classic Toolbar - there have been a number of comments telling us we need to give it time and use to learn where things are actually "hidden" or "buried" based on number of clicks to get to it in comparison - I wonder if that same thought was applied by said users in "finding" access on the Classic Toolbar...
Again, I think the look is great - the function is inefficient for many
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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Sean said:
Just chiming in again that I absolutely love the new toolbar and how easy it is to find functions that were often buried (removed?) when I was using narrow panels under the old UI.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course; I just don't want my view, which I'm sure is also shared by many, to get drowned out.
The old toolbar did not wrap so we just lost access to icons unless you enlarged the pane. Adding the "more" so any size pane has full access to all icons is one of the functions of the new toolbar that I appreciate.
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John Fidel said:
The old toolbar did not wrap so we just lost access to icons unless you enlarged the pane. Adding the "more" so any size pane has full access to all icons is one of the functions of the new toolbar that I appreciate.
That's what I thought! I was fine on the old interface until I switched to a smaller laptop. On many panels I lost the parallel resources button. I wasted so many times hunting for it. It was very frustrating. I love how that has been implemented on the new toolbar.
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I don't really like having to click on view and then interlinear rather than just the one click in the toolbar. to me it made it less user friendly.
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Pastor Jeremy Wallace said:
I don't really like having to click on view and then interlinear rather than just the one click in the toolbar.
Fortunately, we know Logos heard and acknowledged this as a problem. I expect to see their solution in the next 2 or 3 betas. I'm not going to guess what their solution will be.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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This is one of the simplest, yet best additions to the program. It made everything easier to find and execute. Sometimes, its the little things in life. And that applies to Logos as well. WELL DONE!
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Ken F Hill said:
In almost every Windows program there is a way to access the main menu via the keyboard. Libreoffice Writer for example : Alt+F = File menu ; Alt+V = View menu ; Alt+O = Format menu ; Alt+T = Tools menu ... And generally, pressing Alt by itself lights up the main menu shortcuts. see image
Here is an example of why I would like the menu pinned at the top (again speaking from a keyboard hotkey kind of guy). The image below is of 2 panels, one (left) above the other (right). In the panel on the top half of the Logos window, the submenu pops up below the menu. In the panel on the bottom half of the Logos window, the submenu pops up above the menu.
I already feel like I am playing whack-a-mole with these 2 levels of menus scattered among books in multiple panels. If I have 4 panes open with 4 books each I have 16 toolbars, each of which can be with different settings.
Now I a feel like I'm playing Where's Waldo when menu popups appear in various positions.
It feels like I am going to wear out my wrist, click finger, and mouse (and maybe my eyeballs).
If the menu was pinned in one place it would be easier for me - assuming the menu could be accessed by keyboard like most Windows menus can. Please take into account the fact that all Logos users are not mouseketeers.
Again, I am hoping for options that allow keyboarders, like me, to work efficiently.
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I'm on the stable build on my current machine, but I have been spending some time with the new resource toolbar due to my consolidating my Wordsearch library under Logos.
Right now, I'm neutral on the toolbar. I was familiar enough with the old toolbar where I could easily navigate around, but I've found the new toolbar does surface functions easily. I'm generally not a huge fan of "ribbon" style interfaces (I'm kind of burned out by what Microsoft has done with the "ribbon"), but here it works really well finding features in the new resource toolbar. I've found features like in-line search, etc., adapt well with the new toolbar.
I'm not negative on it, that's for sure.
I'm more of a fan of the new toolbar than when the left hand toolbar first appeared in L10 (although I'm using the left hand toolbar for a couple of weeks right now so I can force myself to love it). :-)
If I had to make a decision on which toolbar is better, I'd need to consult an expert at making decisions.
Dr. Nathan Parker
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If the toolbars survive, I would appreciate an expanded click zone for the on-off toggles. The image below shows an area I think should be included in the click zone vs just the on-off toggle. I also noted another part of the options I'd like to see expanded click zones.
I would like expanded click zones everywhere possible in Logos.
I spend too much time carefully navigating to small buttons in order to click my mouse on them.
Thanks.
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Ken F Hill said:
I would appreciate an expanded click zone for the on-off toggles.
I see a case to do this on the prod schedule. Can't say when it will land, but I feel confident saying it's in the works.
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Ken F Hill said:
I also noted another part of the options I'd like to see expanded click zones.
Were my Dad still alive, he would have the same need. On the other hand, I have more problem finding the empty space to simply set focus and am not keen on expanding outside the visual markers of "hot space".
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I have more problem finding the empty space to simply set focus and am not keen on expanding outside the visual markers of "hot space".
I guess I don't understand the problem (happens a lot). I the click zone was expanded, you could still aim for the on-off toggle or any other shaped button. You would not be obliged to click in the "empty space". The hot space buttons would still be hot. If the click zones were expanded we would each be able to click where it is most convenient.
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When I am clicking to change which panel has focus I MUST click somewhere that does not initiate any action, I often end up using impolite language when trying to change focus kicks off an unwanted action. You are asking that what appears to be a safe place to click, isn't.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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