36.0 (36.0.733) is now available
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However the development priorities manifest themselves, it'll be interesting. I was looking at an old forum conversation yesterday about the prioritization UI and how much love it needs to make it easier to with with. A decade later, it's still pretty much the same. I think I get it; not many of us would get Max so we can play with a streamlined prioritization tool. I would, but not many normal users. [:)]
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Lew Worthington said:
However the development priorities manifest themselves, it'll be interesting. I was looking at an old forum conversation yesterday about the prioritization UI and how much love it needs to make it easier to with with. A decade later, it's still pretty much the same. I think I get it; not many of us would get Max so we can play with a streamlined prioritization tool. I would, but not many normal users.
Now THAT would be exciting to me. I guess that's why "exciting" is likely a poor choice of words if the goal is to communicate clearly. Because everyone has their own idea of what "exciting" may look like.
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Lew Worthington said:
However the development priorities manifest themselves, it'll be interesting. I was looking at an old forum conversation yesterday about the prioritization UI and how much love it needs to make it easier to with with. A decade later, it's still pretty much the same. I think I get it; not many of us would get Max so we can play with a streamlined prioritization tool. I would, but not many normal users.
Now THAT would be exciting to me. I guess that's why "exciting" was a poor choice of words for me, at least if the goal is to communicate clearly. Because everyone has their own idea of what "exciting" may be.
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Dave Hooton said:Aaron Hamilton said:
I have little doubt that many of the flashy and exciting features being released now and in the near future are tied to the upcoming "Logos 11" release. Once they have that behind them, they'll probably be playing catch up, fixing bugs and fine tuning all of the new features.
This is ambiguous. Are you stating that features in the "near future" of the next two years will not be as exciting as those released by the "upcoming Logos 11" in the Fall? That they will merely be bug fixes and fine tuning?
One may wonder, how many release quality and functioning new features are there that can satisfy the term "new (as in 'not existed before') feature" to be made available in a 6 weeks cycle? The Logos App seems to be quite feature packed as it currently is ...
Just a minimum of 1 new feature per 6 weeks means about 8 in a year, or 16 in 2 years ... would this match what one might expect with subscriptions? What would be a possible number of non-cloud, non-AI features that would be part of the fall-back license after 24 months of continuous subscription?
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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Some of the releases will be improvements of existing features. For example, we have another thread going on the Text Comparison Tool. https://community.logos.com/forums/p/224904/1312589.aspx#1312589 I don't remember the last time there was any real enhancement of this tool. Let's also consider other pain points. (i.e. tag management and prioritisation)
So I am hopeful we will see continuous improvement of 'smaller things'. Some of it won't be as dramatic, but it will be things that would have never probably featured as a USP of a major release every two years.
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Wolfgang Schneider said:
Just a minimum of 1 new feature per 6 weeks means about 8 in a year, or 16 in 2 years ... would this match what one might expect with subscriptions?
There is no intent to produce 1 new feature every 6 weeks as was the intent with Logos Now. That "promise" is one of the reasons Logos Now was replaced by Connect. The commitment is to updates every 6 weeks.
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MJ. Smith said:Wolfgang Schneider said:
Just a minimum of 1 new feature per 6 weeks means about 8 in a year, or 16 in 2 years ... would this match what one might expect with subscriptions?
There is no intent to produce 1 new feature every 6 weeks as was the intent with Logos Now. That "promise" is one of the reasons Logos Now was replaced by Connect. The commitment is to updates every 6 weeks.
Hmn ... "updates" ? So the subscription is actually not about receiving new "features" right away instead of having to wait 2 years? I am beginning to doubt my reading ability, comprehension ability and memory ... as I was convinced that the whole hype about s or the major advantage of a subscription was the "promise" (?) that one would not have to wait until the end of the 2 year cycle to have access to "new features" (!) ?? Have software "updates" already been made available in a 6 week cycle for ages and without subscriptions? Will non-subscription folks no longer receive "updates" because such "updates" are now called "features" and only made available to customers in the subscription branch?
Wolfgang Schneider
(BibelCenter)
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Wolfgang Schneider said:
So the subscription is actually not about receiving new "features" right away instead of having to wait 2 years?
Subscribers will receive new features right away as they are released in the stable version according to the 6 week update schedule. But not every update will include an entirely new feature. However, it is realistic to expect that every update will include significant improvements to the software as a whole, including enhancements to already-existing features.
Wolfgang Schneider said:Will non-subscription folks no longer receive "updates" because such "updates" are now called "features" and only made available to customers in the subscription branch?
Non subscribers will also receive updates every 6 weeks. However, while subscribers will receive all the benefits of these updates, the benefits that non subscribers will receive will be limited to bug fixes and the like.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
So I am hopeful we will see continuous improvement of 'smaller things'. Some of it won't be as dramatic, but it will be things that would have never probably featured as a USP of a major release every two years.
God hear you (and all of us), Palmer! I was just thinking about that today, but in the opposite direction. My concern is that this pressure caused by the commitment imposed by the subscription will be even stronger than with the model of releases every 2 years. I explain:
the temptation for the team now may be to focus even more on major new features than on improvements and refinements to what already exists. Because they will feel (possibly, and need to handle wisely) the pressure to have “more impactful” enhancements rather than smaller improvements to existing tools and functionalities.
Let's face it, many of us users will be demanding that, with the subscription, there are bigger new features (which is a good thing), rather than improvements to the good things that Logos already has and which have been left in limbo after the launches every two years. I very much hope that the team can strike a balance between the two. I see that Logos already has a lot. More than most (if not all) of us can actually remember, let alone have the time to use it all.
(I've been using Logos since 2013, and before that with Libronix, and I already consider myself much more of an intermediate Logos user).So I expect more significant refinements rather than more and more features that get forgotten and unused. Let the “impact news” be what you can say, “how did I miss that until today”? And that the refinements are so good that they leave me with the feeling that there is something “new” in what is old.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:
I don't mind the occasional major release, but I personally prefer software that evolves more consistently over time.
This one sentence has give me reason to think that subscription might be worth it for some people like me even if features are not worth the price you're paying for it. Hear me out...
When features are bought once every 2 years, there is so much new information to absorb but not enough time to absorb the new information. So we don't fully benefit from the feature set we buy. God knows that I am not even aware of many of the features of the L10 feature set. But when features are released every 6/7 weeks, the time commitment needed to stay on top of the feature set is not that massive and, therefore, we get to understand how the features work and get to reap the full functionality of the feature set.
Maybe, I am the only one who has this problem...
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1Cor10 31 said:
When features are bought once every 2 years, there is so much new information to absorb but not enough time to absorb the new information. So we don't fully benefit from the feature set we buy. God knows that I am not even aware of many of the features of the L10 feature set. But when features are released every 6/7 weeks, the time commitment needed to stay on top of the feature set is not that massive and, therefore, we get to understand how the features work and get to reap the full functionality of the feature set.
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Through a number of Logos 10 Videos on Youtube, I have found a greater use for Factbook, something this 70 yr old didn't quite understand. I have subscribed, early, to the Premier, so, I look forward to any additional changes that come in September. I would love to see the ability to change from the "blue" to another color in the future. I had no problems updating my Desktop or Mobile App on the iPhone and iPad. I would invite everyone to take advantage of the Free Webinars that are currently available and the ones that should arrive once the new Subscription Model roles out. They are very helpful and the Instructors very knowledgeable.
There does appear to be a problem with content you own in book form in getting it into Logos as you can clearly see from my screenshot. It shows that it has been added to my Library, however, it will not allow me to view the contents on the Desktop App. It won't let me add the screenshot, but, it gives me the option of removing the resource from my Library. Right now, with this one issue, which was not a problem before I switched over to Premier Subscription, well, I consider this a BUG. I checked the Mobile App on iOS for iPhone and iPad, not a problem displaying the Notes. The Desktop App on iMac and MacBook Air will not let me use it.
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1Cor10 31 said:
When features are bought once every 2 years, there is so much new information to absorb but not enough time to absorb the new information. So we don't fully benefit from the feature set we buy. God knows that I am not even aware of many of the features of the L10 feature set. But when features are released every 6/7 weeks, the time commitment needed to stay on top of the feature set is not that massive and, therefore, we get to understand how the features work and get to reap the full functionality of the feature set.
Maybe, I am the only one who has this problem...
Great point, and you're not the only one. Many times I've found out from other users' questions on the forums about a feature I had all along but was unaware of. With the current release schedule, it's much easier to keep up and get accustomed to features as they are released.
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Rick Ross said:
I would invite everyone to take advantage of the Free Webinars that are currently available and the ones that should arrive once the new Subscription Model roles out.
I second this suggestion. I've learnt a lot from the free webinars, even for tools and features I use frequently.
Rick Ross said:There does appear to be a problem with content you own in book form in getting it into Logos as you can clearly see from my screenshot. It shows that it has been added to my Library, however, it will not allow me to view the contents on the Desktop App. It won't let me add the screenshot, but, it gives me the option of removing the resource from my Library. Right now, with this one issue, which was not a problem before I switched over to Premier Subscription, well, I consider this a BUG. I checked the Mobile App on iOS for iPhone and iPad, not a problem displaying the Notes. The Desktop App on iMac and MacBook Air will not let me use it.
There is no screenshot showing; you should use the paperclip icon to add images. Also, for better exposure, it would be best to start a new thread in the Desktop forum for help in solving this problem.
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Rick Ross said:
There does appear to be a problem with content you own in book form in getting it into Logos as you can clearly see from my screenshot. It shows that it has been added to my Library, however, it will not allow me to view the contents on the Desktop App.
Would you please clarify what you mean by "content you own in book form".
If you are trying to use the Print Library feature where you can have Logos search a book you own IN PRINT but do not have a LOGOS VERSION, then all you can do is have search results displayed (usually telling you the page number you can find the results on in YOUR PRINT BOOK).
What you cannot do is read that PRINT BOOK in Logos without buying the Logos version first.
If this isn't what you are doing or you don't really know what I'm even talking about then just ignore me. [;)]
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1Cor10 31 said:Donovan R. Palmer said:
I don't mind the occasional major release, but I personally prefer software that evolves more consistently over time.
This one sentence has give me reason to think that subscription might be worth it for some people like me even if features are not worth the price you're paying for it. Hear me out...
When features are bought once every 2 years, there is so much new information to absorb but not enough time to absorb the new information. So we don't fully benefit from the feature set we buy. God knows that I am not even aware of many of the features of the L10 feature set. But when features are released every 6/7 weeks, the time commitment needed to stay on top of the feature set is not that massive and, therefore, we get to understand how the features work and get to reap the full functionality of the feature set.
Maybe, I am the only one who has this problem...
I have to say that as someone who enjoys the massive feature drop we have been used to - the view that you both state should be part of the marketing plan. I know some that were never sure of upgrades due to the volume of learning that could be tied to them.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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Thanks. I will do that as time permits.
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Hi all
Where can I go to find known issues? I have been studying all week (blessed with Covid) and don't want to send reports of stuff already reported
Dave
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Dave Gifford said:
Hi all
Where can I go to find known issues? I have been studying all week (blessed with Covid) and don't want to send reports of stuff already reported
Dave
Just look in this Forum! But beware that we are now on release 36.1.6 (check its Release Notes as well).
Dave
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