Improvements Are Coming to the Logos Forums!
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Jason Stone (Logos) said:
After experimenting with private messages, we have decided that direct messages (DM) or private messages (PM) will remain disabled for our community.
I understand this decision, as it can be difficult to strike the perfect balance, and there will always be those who ruin the experience for others. Nonetheless, I hope there is some sort of option for the formation of group communication, where users could opt in if they so choose. I could think of many benefits. Of course, it depends on what the goal is for the new forums. Logos seems to be highlighting the "community" aspect of the new forums. If this is indeed the goal, it would seem natural to make possible the formation of groups so that certain topics could be discussed within individual groups that may not be quite as appropriate in the general forum (e.g. book/theological discussions).
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Jason Stone (Logos) said:
After experimenting with private messages, we have decided that direct messages (DM) or private messages (PM) will remain disabled for our community.
Is this a technical or philosophical decision?
My point of view is that pretty much every online community that I have been involved with has a private message capacity. This has aided in community building, not detracted from it. To the contrary, I have rarely been spammed, and that says a lot because I am probably signed up on too many forums! I have never needed it, but some forums have the ability to block anyone you think is stalking, but why not just ignore and delete a message on the off chance it occurs? But again, this has not been my experience of having problems with this function and has only allowd me to connect up with users who would not in the first instance share their email.
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Donovan R. Palmer said:Jason Stone (Logos) said:
After experimenting with private messages, we have decided that direct messages (DM) or private messages (PM) will remain disabled for our community.
Is this a technical or philosophical decision?
It is a philosophical/strategic decision, Donovan. We are happy to reconsider this decision in the future, as faithlife.com has direct messaging available and users do have the ability to opt-out individually, but with so many changes happening at once in the community it may be best to focus on ensuring we do not rattle too many things right out the gate. Then again, I'm all about aiding in community so let's make sure we revisit this in the future!
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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Jason Stone (Logos) said:Donovan R. Palmer said:Jason Stone (Logos) said:
After experimenting with private messages, we have decided that direct messages (DM) or private messages (PM) will remain disabled for our community.
Is this a technical or philosophical decision?
It is a philosophical/strategic decision, Donovan. We are happy to reconsider this decision in the future, as faithlife.com has direct messaging available and users do have the ability to opt-out individually, but with so many changes happening at once in the community it may be best to focus on ensuring we do not rattle too many things right out the gate. Then again, I'm all about aiding in community so let's make sure we revisit this in the future!
For me it would be better to have the DM PM.
On the other hand I really don't understand why my Faithlife User Account is seeing for all. Google, etc. This should be visible only for participants.
So both are completely the opposite of what it should be!
BTW do you have seen my other wishes?
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Jason Stone (Logos) said:
but with so many changes happening at once in the community it may be best to focus on ensuring we do not rattle too many things right out the gate.
I must admit, I am surprised that this is a feature that would cause a rattle, other than Logo’s forum software and approach to community has with time become backward on a technical level - even in some cases reflecting generational views of online community.
It has however, been cutting edge in allowing the community to self govern, which is why this surprises me that we won’t have this feature. I just did a bit of a quick glimpse of seven other special interest forums and all have direct messaging capabilities. Some even allow you to switch it off or you can just ignore it. (which to be honest, I do most of the time, except for forums I have really been interested in. i.e. Accordance Bible Software)
Look, at the end of the day… whatever. I still remember all the fussing when we switched to this forum software from USENET newsgroups and how this rocked the balance of our community . Somehow we managed to adapt to this new trendy web forum software that we now use. The tools and tech change, but the reactions do not! 😝
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I personally don't want to be contacted by strangers and have no desire for "personal messages" in the forums.
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Fabian said:
BTW do you have seen my other wishes?
Hello, friend! Unless I missed something, I think this is a quick summary of your wishes. I will see what I can address here, but it is important to note that we are approaching launch so what we can or cannot address at this point is a bit limited. At the moment, our focus is preparing everything for launch rather than tweaking features but we will continue the discussion of how to improve the forums after launch so please do not be shy!
- Faster site loading times. The forums are designed to be faster loading; we should be good here!
- Fixing the “Last” button bug, where it occasionally takes users to the first post. If you see this persist, please be sure to let me know!
- A feature to jump to the first unread post when revisiting threads. The new community treats read/unread a bit differently, focusing more on resolved/unresolved or answered/unanswered inquiries. We do anticipate an adjustment in how community members subscribe to or browse "latest posts" or "unanswered queries" but I'm confident we can quickly jump to unresolved matters to get everybody the support that they need.
- Private messaging between users. You likely saw this addressed above. At present, we do not plan to release this at relaunch of our community.
- Enhanced search capabilities, including user search, case sensitivity, whole-word search, and improved “AND” search functionality. There will be improvements around search, but I will need to confirm if it supports what you are describing. It sounds like you would like it to include what is commonly termed "boolean search". I'll look into this.
- Easier navigation for replying to multiple posts within a thread. With the addition of tagging users directly with the @ sign, this might help to target your responses at specific community members while drawing from multiple posts within a thread. Comments in the new environment also support the quote feature, as we're used to using in the current environment. Tagging users and quoting their comments should allow the flexibility that you're looking for.
Please let me know if I've missed anything at all, Fabian. Thank you.
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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Jason Stone (Logos) said:
with so many changes happening at once in the community it may be best to focus on ensuring we do not rattle too many things right out the gate. Then again, I'm all about aiding in community so let's make sure we revisit this in the future!
I would argue that you should make whatever changes you want to make now since people are already prepared for change. It's going to be harder to make these intial changes and then push to add more changes later. Some people will be uncomfortable every time new changes are implemented, regardless of what they are. I say it's better to do it all at once if you are planning on doing it down the road anyway.
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Joseph Turner said:
I say it's better to do it all at once if you are planning on doing it down the road anyway.
Absolutely, Joseph. I've learned that firsthand, the hard way. [:)] To clarify, there are no plans at present to add PM or DM to the community but it's an item that we could revisit in the future.
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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Jason Stone (Logos) said:Joseph Turner said:
I say it's better to do it all at once if you are planning on doing it down the road anyway.
Absolutely, Joseph. I've learned that firsthand, the hard way.
To clarify, there are no plans at present to add PM or DM to the community but it's an item that we could revisit in the future.[Y]
Disclaimer: I hate using messaging, texting, and email for real communication. If anything that I type to you seems like anything other than humble and respectful, then I have not done a good job typing my thoughts.
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Jason Stone (Logos) said:Fabian said:
BTW do you have seen my other wishes?
Hello, friend! Unless I missed something, I think this is a quick summary of your wishes. I will see what I can address here, but it is important to note that we are approaching launch so what we can or cannot address at this point is a bit limited. At the moment, our focus is preparing everything for launch rather than tweaking features but we will continue the discussion of how to improve the forums after launch so please do not be shy!
- Faster site loading times. The forums are designed to be faster loading; we should be good here!
- Fixing the “Last” button bug, where it occasionally takes users to the first post. If you see this persist, please be sure to let me know!
- A feature to jump to the first unread post when revisiting threads. The new community treats read/unread a bit differently, focusing more on resolved/unresolved or answered/unanswered inquiries. We do anticipate an adjustment in how community members subscribe to or browse "latest posts" or "unanswered queries" but I'm confident we can quickly jump to unresolved matters to get everybody the support that they need.
- Private messaging between users. You likely saw this addressed above. At present, we do not plan to release this at relaunch of our community.
- Enhanced search capabilities, including user search, case sensitivity, whole-word search, and improved “AND” search functionality. There will be improvements around search, but I will need to confirm if it supports what you are describing. It sounds like you would like it to include what is commonly termed "boolean search". I'll look into this.
- Easier navigation for replying to multiple posts within a thread. With the addition of tagging users directly with the @ sign, this might help to target your responses at specific community members while drawing from multiple posts within a thread. Comments in the new environment also support the quote feature, as we're used to using in the current environment. Tagging users and quoting their comments should allow the flexibility that you're looking for.
Please let me know if I've missed anything at all, Fabian. Thank you.
- Mmmh. I answered, but the post seems to be lost. Once again. This is also a frequent issue. Now I'm not sure if I don't miss one.
- Dark Mode
- To 5. Yes, Boolean would be great. Whole word. Case-Sensitive.
- By answering seeing more than the last post. Nowadays I have often two instances open to see the full thread.
- Hide our profile from the internet. Google, Bing etc. don't have to see who's participating.
Thanks
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Thank you so much for this update. I remember 2 years ago around the Logos 10 launch someone said they are considering modernizing the forum. And yet I haven’t seen change and thought they have abandon it due to resource constraints.
Typing this on mobile is not fun, and I’m looking forward for the change.
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Fabian said:
- Mmmh. I answered, but the post seems to be lost. Once again. This is also a frequent issue. Now I'm not sure if I don't miss one.
- Dark Mode
- To 5. Yes, Boolean would be great. Whole word. Case-Sensitive.
- By answering seeing more than the last post. Nowadays I have often two instances open to see the full thread.
- Hide our profile from the internet. Google, Bing etc. don't have to see who's participating.
Thanks
Hello Fabian!
- I'm sorry about that! I hope that doesn't happen in our new space.
- The new community environment will not support dark mode at launch.
- While it support improved search, it does not support boolean search at the moment.
- I do hope that navigation and usability improves for you in the new community hub!
- Community members can choose whether to make their profile public or private.
Blessings,
Jason
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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Kolen Cheung said:
Thank you so much for this update.
You're very welcome! Cannot wait to see you there, Kolen.
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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Jason Stone (Logos) said:Fabian said:
- Mmmh. I answered, but the post seems to be lost. Once again. This is also a frequent issue. Now I'm not sure if I don't miss one.
- Dark Mode
- To 5. Yes, Boolean would be great. Whole word. Case-Sensitive.
- By answering seeing more than the last post. Nowadays I have often two instances open to see the full thread.
- Hide our profile from the internet. Google, Bing etc. don't have to see who's participating.
Thanks
Hello Fabian!
- I'm sorry about that! I hope that doesn't happen in our new space.
- The new community environment will not support dark mode at launch.
- While it support improved search, it does not support boolean search at the moment.
- I do hope that navigation and usability improves for you in the new community hub!
- Community members can choose whether to make their profile public or private.
Blessings,
Jason
Hello Jason,
Thanks.
To 2. hopefully later. As I read often in the night in the forums.
To 3. Foremost the AND is necessary, or a similar feature to narrow the search. Currently it does the opposite of than with multiple words in it. Or you do the AND as default. So if I want to search for two words I have to run two searches. But if I want to have only what matches the query then I can do it. Or a phrase. Maybe the use of " " could be added.
6. A self reload function. So no need to reload the site. Especially on the homepage of the forums.
Thanks
Fabian
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Such great suggestions, Fabian! There are obviously so many considerations to finding a new home for our community. I hope you enjoy the new community and find the improvements acceptable.
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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JT (alabama24) said:
I personally don't want to be contacted by strangers and have no desire for "personal messages" in the forums.
Same here.
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Jason,
Any ETA on new forums improvements? Looking forward to it :-)
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I hope the change goes wonderfully smooth and this picture does not become a meme.
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Paul said:
I hope the change goes wonderfully smooth and this picture does not become a meme.
Wonderfully smooth software upgrade is an oxymoron 🤣
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scooter said:JT (alabama24) said:
I personally don't want to be contacted by strangers and have no desire for "personal messages" in the forums.
Same here.
But you might miss out on that large inheritance that you will get if you provide your account information....
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Nah, don't change a thing.
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Fabian said:Jason Stone (Logos) said:Fabian said:
- Mmmh. I answered, but the post seems to be lost. Once again. This is also a frequent issue. Now I'm not sure if I don't miss one.
- Dark Mode
- To 5. Yes, Boolean would be great. Whole word. Case-Sensitive.
- By answering seeing more than the last post. Nowadays I have often two instances open to see the full thread.
- Hide our profile from the internet. Google, Bing etc. don't have to see who's participating.
Thanks
Next wish:-) The Reader function would be great. So I don't have to move all the time the website on the iPhone to read. Currently it is not funny to read.
Thanks.
Hello Fabian!
- I'm sorry about that! I hope that doesn't happen in our new space.
- The new community environment will not support dark mode at launch.
- While it support improved search, it does not support boolean search at the moment.
- I do hope that navigation and usability improves for you in the new community hub!
- Community members can choose whether to make their profile public or private.
Blessings,
Jason
Hello Jason,
Thanks.
To 2. hopefully later. As I read often in the night in the forums.
To 3. Foremost the AND is necessary, or a similar feature to narrow the search. Currently it does the opposite of than with multiple words in it. Or you do the AND as default. So if I want to search for two words I have to run two searches. But if I want to have only what matches the query then I can do it. Or a phrase. Maybe the use of " " could be added.
6. A self reload function. So no need to reload the site. Especially on the homepage of the forums.
Thanks
Fabian
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Fabian said:Jason Stone (Logos) said:Fabian said:
- Mmmh. I answered, but the post seems to be lost. Once again. This is also a frequent issue. Now I'm not sure if I don't miss one.
- Dark Mode
- To 5. Yes, Boolean would be great. Whole word. Case-Sensitive.
- By answering seeing more than the last post. Nowadays I have often two instances open to see the full thread.
- Hide our profile from the internet. Google, Bing etc. don't have to see who's participating.
Thanks
Next wish:-) The Reader function would be great. So I don't have to move all the time the website on the iPhone to read. Currently it is not funny to read.
Thanks.
Hello Fabian!
- I'm sorry about that! I hope that doesn't happen in our new space.
- The new community environment will not support dark mode at launch.
- While it support improved search, it does not support boolean search at the moment.
- I do hope that navigation and usability improves for you in the new community hub!
- Community members can choose whether to make their profile public or private.
Blessings,
Jason
Hello Jason,
Thanks.
To 2. hopefully later. As I read often in the night in the forums.
To 3. Foremost the AND is necessary, or a similar feature to narrow the search. Currently it does the opposite of than with multiple words in it. Or you do the AND as default. So if I want to search for two words I have to run two searches. But if I want to have only what matches the query then I can do it. Or a phrase. Maybe the use of " " could be added.
6. A self reload function. So no need to reload the site. Especially on the homepage of the forums.
Thanks
Fabian
And again the content is away.
Again: The Reader function isn't working on the forum. Especially on the iPhone I have to move all the time around to read the posts.
Thanks
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Hello Friends,
We're just as excited as you are as we get closer to launching the newest version to our online community, but we are going to delay a bit longer. (Not too long, don't worry) We've been working hard, but after seeing so many great questions and ideas, we'd like to open the door to more users and feedback in hopes to make the space even better at launch.
We cannot swing the doors wide open just yet, but we would like more users. Do you want to be considered for an invite? Fill out the following short form and we will be in touch with as many invites as we can accommodate.
As always, thank you for being a part of our community. It would be nothing without you!
Interested? Fill out the following short form: https://forms.gle/8dPP4dSsSP8BaxZb6
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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Jason Stone (Logos) said:
Hello Friends,
We're just as excited as you are as we get closer to launching the newest version to our online community, but we are going to delay a bit longer. (Not too long, don't worry) We've been working hard, but after seeing so many great questions and ideas, we'd like to open the door to more users and feedback in hopes to make the space even better at launch.
We cannot swing the doors wide open just yet, but we would like more users. Do you want to be considered for an invite? Fill out the following short form and we will be in touch with as many invites as we can accommodate.
As always, thank you for being a part of our community. It would be nothing without you!
Interested? Fill out the following short form: https://forms.gle/8dPP4dSsSP8BaxZb6
You are a man of your word - that was a very short form!
Using Logos as a pastor, seminary professor, and Tyndale author
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So, the forums won't be down this week?
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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Fabian said:Fabian said:Jason Stone (Logos) said:Fabian said:
- Mmmh. I answered, but the post seems to be lost. Once again. This is also a frequent issue. Now I'm not sure if I don't miss one.
- Dark Mode
- To 5. Yes, Boolean would be great. Whole word. Case-Sensitive.
- By answering seeing more than the last post. Nowadays I have often two instances open to see the full thread.
- Hide our profile from the internet. Google, Bing etc. don't have to see who's participating.
Thanks
Next wish:-) The Reader function would be great. So I don't have to move all the time the website on the iPhone to read. Currently it is not funny to read.
Thanks.
Hello Fabian!
- I'm sorry about that! I hope that doesn't happen in our new space.
- The new community environment will not support dark mode at launch.
- While it support improved search, it does not support boolean search at the moment.
- I do hope that navigation and usability improves for you in the new community hub!
- Community members can choose whether to make their profile public or private.
Blessings,
Jason
Hello Jason,
Thanks.
To 2. hopefully later. As I read often in the night in the forums.
To 3. Foremost the AND is necessary, or a similar feature to narrow the search. Currently it does the opposite of than with multiple words in it. Or you do the AND as default. So if I want to search for two words I have to run two searches. But if I want to have only what matches the query then I can do it. Or a phrase. Maybe the use of " " could be added.
6. A self reload function. So no need to reload the site. Especially on the homepage of the forums.
Thanks
Fabian
And again the content is away.
Again: The Reader function isn't working on the forum. Especially on the iPhone I have to move all the time around to read the posts.
Thanks
Hello Jason,
again something.
1. The AA buttons on the Safari don't work properly. It increase or decrease the whole forum, like an image, instead of the font alone. Be sure to check this too.
2. May bigger files to upload. Some Screenshots are bigger since the HDPI or Retina screens. Also some PBB's are to big for the current software.
Thanks
Fabian
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Fabian said:Fabian said:Fabian said:Jason Stone (Logos) said:Fabian said:
- Mmmh. I answered, but the post seems to be lost. Once again. This is also a frequent issue. Now I'm not sure if I don't miss one.
- Dark Mode
- To 5. Yes, Boolean would be great. Whole word. Case-Sensitive.
- By answering seeing more than the last post. Nowadays I have often two instances open to see the full thread.
- Hide our profile from the internet. Google, Bing etc. don't have to see who's participating.
Thanks
Next wish:-) The Reader function would be great. So I don't have to move all the time the website on the iPhone to read. Currently it is not funny to read.
Thanks.
Hello Fabian!
- I'm sorry about that! I hope that doesn't happen in our new space.
- The new community environment will not support dark mode at launch.
- While it support improved search, it does not support boolean search at the moment.
- I do hope that navigation and usability improves for you in the new community hub!
- Community members can choose whether to make their profile public or private.
Blessings,
Jason
Hello Jason,
Thanks.
To 2. hopefully later. As I read often in the night in the forums.
To 3. Foremost the AND is necessary, or a similar feature to narrow the search. Currently it does the opposite of than with multiple words in it. Or you do the AND as default. So if I want to search for two words I have to run two searches. But if I want to have only what matches the query then I can do it. Or a phrase. Maybe the use of " " could be added.
6. A self reload function. So no need to reload the site. Especially on the homepage of the forums.
Thanks
Fabian
And again the content is away.
Again: The Reader function isn't working on the forum. Especially on the iPhone I have to move all the time around to read the posts.
Thanks
Hello Jason,
again something.
1. The AA buttons on the Safari don't work properly. It increase or decrease the whole forum, like an image, instead of the font alone. Be sure to check this too.
2. May bigger files to upload. Some Screenshots are bigger since the HDPI or Retina screens. Also some PBB's are to big for the current software.
Thanks
Fabian
3. If I search for a user to see his/her content. Or to search in it. Then please more than 5 pages. I can see my own last posts only for 5 pages. What if I want to see what have posted one year ago? Impossible right now.
An image of my own profile. I have definitely more content than the 5 pages.
Thanks.
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