The new Logos subscriptions have launched
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I am not sure I understand the change.
in the past, the software was the same for everyone, only libraries were different. Now the software has 3 tiers? premium is the most limited? How does premium compare to current logos 10? same? Downgrade? Upgrade?
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Aleksander Dylikowski said:
in the past, the software was the same for everyone, only libraries were different
No - in previous versions, there were different feature sets that provided different functionality for different price points.
Aleksander Dylikowski said:Now the software has 3 tiers? premium is the most limited? How does premium compare to current logos 10? same? Downgrade? Upgrade?
There are three subscription tiers, yes, and also the option to not subscribe.
Premium contains all of the features of the Logos 10 full feature set and also contains a range of enhancements - including AI-enabled capabilities. So it is an upgrade to what was available in Logo 10
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Graham Criddle said:
Premium contains all of the features ofm the Logos 10 full feature set and also contains a range of enhancements - including AI-enabled capabilities. So it is an upgrade to what was available in Logo 10
Sorry, but only Max has all Logos 10 Features (Full Feature). Pro and Max currently have the same new features, but Max will be differentiated in 2025.
Dave
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So opinions divide. What is it, finally. I paid 180$ for a full feature set when I upgraded from 9
to 10. How much I need to pay for a full feature set to match what I have?
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Aleksander Dylikowski said:
I paid 180$ for a full feature set when I upgraded from 9 to 10. How much I need to pay for a full feature set to match what I have?
There's no direct match to "what I have" - and there are no feature sets anymore. You can simply continue to use what you have and that's it.
If your interest should be to always have all available features at your disposal, then the "match" would be the Max subscription.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Dave Hooton said:Graham Criddle said:
Premium contains all of the features ofm the Logos 10 full feature set and also contains a range of enhancements - including AI-enabled capabilities. So it is an upgrade to what was available in Logo 10
Sorry, but only Max has all Logos 10 Features (Full Feature). Pro and Max currently have the same new features, but Max will be differentiated in 2025.
Thanks Dave - I was mistaken, thanks for correcting it.
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but if ai move from logos 10 full feature set to Premium, will I loose some of my current features?
NB.Mick said:Aleksander Dylikowski said:I paid 180$ for a full feature set when I upgraded from 9 to 10. How much I need to pay for a full feature set to match what I have?
There's no direct match to "what I have" - and there are no feature sets anymore. You can simply continue to use what you have and that's it.
If your interest should be to always have all available features at your disposal, then the "match" would be the Max subscription.
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Aleksander Dylikowski said:
but if ai move from logos 10 full feature set to Premium, will I loose some of my current features?
Nothing will "move" from L10 Full Feature Set to a subscription and you will not lose anything you bought and currently own. I think the only AI-powered feature in Logos 10 was translation - and you own that feature and can coninue to use it whether you subscribe or not (I think it only comes in Max for people who don't own a Logos or Verbum Full Feature Set).
Have joy in the Lord!
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Looks like this model is punishing those who invested a lot in logos over the years
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Aleksander Dylikowski said:
Looks like this model is punishing those who invested a lot in logos over the years
Why do you think that?
Have joy in the Lord!
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i already explained:
1. For 180$ i was able to get max features
2. if you start today, you do not have to invest 7,8,10K into libraries
NB.Mick said:Aleksander Dylikowski said:Looks like this model is punishing those who invested a lot in logos over the years
Why do you think that?
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Aleksander Dylikowski said:
i already explained:
1. For 180$ i was able to get max features
2. if you start today, you do not have to invest 7,8,10K into libraries
NB.Mick said:Aleksander Dylikowski said:Looks like this model is punishing those who invested a lot in logos over the years
Why do you think that?
The subscriptions don't come with entire libraries, so for serious users, you'd still have to spend a lot on libraries. As for features, I've saved a lot of money over the years through Logos Now and Faithlife Connect. Now I'm going to save money and have sooner access to new features, rather than waiting two years for new features. I don't see how this is punishing longtime users in any way, to be honest.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Here are a few questions to consider...Aleksander Dylikowski said:i already explained:
1. For 180$ i was able to get max features
2. if you start today, you do not have to invest 7,8,10K into libraries
NB.Mick said:Aleksander Dylikowski said:Looks like this model is punishing those who invested a lot in logos over the years
Why do you think that?
1. Are you looking for new features to both add and to own that you won't lose (features that fall under a Legacy Fallback License, and such features to add to the features that you already own)? If so, then you'll need to be subscribed for 2 consecutive years in order to retain those features. If you end your subscription before 2 years, then you won't retain these features. If you end your subscription after 2 years, you'll retain these features. Also, you'll need to be willing to commit to this, not knowing in advance what all of those features will be under the Legacy Fallback License (unlike with prior feature upgrades in which you were given information upfront regarding everything included in those upgrades). This was what turned me away from any consideration of a subscription, but everyone has different opinions on this.
2. Are you looking to add online-based features to your use of Logos, particularly A.I. based features? If so, then you'll need to subscribe. But these features disappear if you end your subscription.
3. Are you looking to add books to your library that you'll end up renting and not owning? If so, they're part of a subscription.
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Aleksander Dylikowski said:
1. For 180$ i was able to get max features
This sounds as if you are better off than a new user today who will have to pay more over two year (the former release cycle).
Aleksander Dylikowski said:2. if you start today, you do not have to invest 7,8,10K into libraries
Probably you have to invest the same to get a comparable large library (I think the book prices and the library-rebates in general haven't changed that much). There may be some books that are expensive to buy for early adopters and later they will be available in bundles with a rebate - yes, that's true. And there are other books that become more expensive or vanish completely. But all this is not connected to the model at all, it would relate to the libraries where nothing has changed regarding the model.
And there's this fact that relates to any stuff that is released over time: the earlier you buy, the more you pay. One could hold out and wait to get things cheaper (will this commentary set be in a library package next year? If so, people will pay pennies for my dollars - but on the other hand, Logos may lose the rights to sell and then it's gone). This has been true with Logos for the last decade. Buying earlier will give usage earlier, but may come at a price. But since new books come out all the time, people building a comparable library will pay roughly the same, I think.
The only thing that is part of the subscription model that may look like "punishing those who invested" is the book package that comes with the subscriptions. I don't see them as worth thousands of dollars. Yes, a newbie will get several hundred books into their library with Max, whereas I got less than 60. Logos anticipated that most subscribers would own a substantial portion of the book packages - that's why they could calculate this at a reasonable price. I don't think the owners of large libraries are "punished", those less fortunate get a gift.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Aleksander Dylikowski said:
Looks like this model is punishing those who invested a lot in logos over the years
I don't think that's true from a library point of view. I think the only "punishment" is that a lot of users invested with the idea they would always have an option to own the features in their software and now that is being taken away so in the future if you don't subscribe you will lose any features. People invested a lot of money thinking they could own the software and now they no longer can going forward. That is a big hit for a software that people invest so much money in. Obviously the legacy license is Logos' current answer to that but there is no long term commitment to give any path to owning features.
Honestly the libraries occasionally had great deals here and there on an expensive set but in most cases building a great library was better done a book at a time and utilizing sales when possible. While I'm deeply disappointed about the subscription model and wish there were another software I could move to, I don't think it's fair to criticize Logos on the library options.
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Hi All - I am planning to get a Logos subscription and trying to understand how it works. If i pay for 2 years, would i able to continue with whatever features i have beyond 2 years, incase i cancel? I understand cloud and AI related ones cannot be accessed. But what features are used by AI. How can i know?Also will there be any new features which will be released in these 2 years which i can keep?0
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Kiran said:
Hi All - I am planning to get a Logos subscription and trying to understand how it works.
Hi Kiran
Kiran said:If i pay for 2 years, would i able to continue with whatever features i have beyond 2 years, incase i cancel? I understand cloud and AI related ones cannot be accessed.
Yes, that's the idea of the Legacy Fallback Licence - you may want to consult https://www.logos.com/subscription-faq#legacy_fallback for official answers to that.
Kiran said:But what features are used by AI. How can i know?
In the software you will recognize them by the little star logo and a footer line ... generated by AI ... . At the moment it mainly is smart search, summarization and translation as well as generation of questions and ideas in the sermon/bible study preparation tools. I'm sure that release notes for future features will include this information.
Kiran said:will there be any new features which will be released in these 2 years which i can keep?
Of course there will! (In addition to the features that came since L10 which also are part of the LFL) Logos follows a six week cycle of improvements, some being bug fixes, others being new features.
Have joy in the Lord!
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I am still puzzled. I just checked and in my cases it says that I have: "All Logos 10 features". When I move to subscription, what does it mean? What is the equivalent of what I have today?
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Aleksander Dylikowski said:
When I move to subscription, what does it mean?
It means you get access to new features - and access to AI/cloud-based services - when they become available.
Aleksander Dylikowski said:What is the equivalent of what I have today?
The only direct equivalent of what you have today is what you have.
Logos Max is the only subscription offering that includes all of the Logos 10 features - but it adds in additional capabilities as well (such as Smart Searching and Summarisation).
So if you don't want any of the additional features - in any of Premium, Pro or Max - then I wouldn't see any need to move at the moment. But it is important to recognise that the only way to access new features - moving forward - is through subscription.
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Thank you. Do I understand you correctly that if I subscribe to Pro (having full feature set Logos 10 today), I will downgrade and loose some features? Or I will have all what I have today and get things on top of Logos 10 full feature set?
What happens to the interface? Stays the same? Is different? I have layouts that I have built and want to keep using those. Will they stay?
Graham Criddle said:Aleksander Dylikowski said:When I move to subscription, what does it mean?
It means you get access to new features - and access to AI/cloud-based services - when they become available.
Aleksander Dylikowski said:What is the equivalent of what I have today?
The only direct equivalent of what you have today is what you have.
Logos Max is the only subscription offering that includes all of the Logos 10 features - but it adds in additional capabilities as well (such as Smart Searching and Summarisation).
So if you don't want any of the additional features - in any of Premium, Pro or Max - then I wouldn't see any need to move at the moment. But it is important to recognise that the only way to access new features - moving forward - is through subscription.
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Aleksander Dylikowski said:
Do I understand you correctly that if I subscribe to Pro (having full feature set Logos 10 today), I will downgrade and loose some features?
No. You have bought the Full Feature Set and therefore all in it is yours to keep. No downgrade, no loss of features.
Yes.Aleksander Dylikowski said:I will have all what I have today and get things on top of Logos 10 full feature set?
Aleksander Dylikowski said:What happens to the interface? Stays the same? Is different?
The new resource toolbar will change the interface - there are long threads discussing this, it has fans and opponents and some users are very happy and find it intuitive, others feel irritated as it is a change of their way of working with Logos.
Aleksander Dylikowski said:I have layouts that I have built and want to keep using those. Will they stay?
Yes, no change to layouts.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Good evening,
Is there a solution yet for the current subscribers to take advantage of the 2 year pricing? Thank you…
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Not yet. You can sign up to be notified by email at this link: https://www.logos.com/configure/subscriptions?trackId=191
Scroll down a little and you'll see this.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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I recently stumbled upon a feature set on Logos that might be worth considering: the complete Logos 10 feature set is available at a reduced price here https://www.logos.com/product/228517/pack-complet-des-fonctionnalites-de-logos-10. This could be a cost-effective option if you're looking to economize on the subscription
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Andy Moore said:
I recently stumbled upon a feature set on Logos that might be worth considering: the complete Logos 10 feature set is available at a reduced price here https://www.logos.com/product/228517/pack-complet-des-fonctionnalites-de-logos-10
Note that this is a French language Feature Set. It will have localized features, resources and datatsets - e.g. the Reverse Interlinears and the Interactives will be totally different (which also means that dynamic pricing for English language versions of those features, resources and datasets already owned won't apply).
For those who are interested in this: Logos staggered the release of the new subscription-based model and the different 2025 libraries. They started with Logos in English and some languages (including German) the same/next day. The release of Verbum (and possibly more languages) will follow next Monday/Tuesday - so those who want a Verbum Feature Set, should hurry - whereas from the French store page it seems the Logos 10 Farewell Tour lasts until December 2nd. After that with the elease of the subscription model and the French 2025 libraries this Feature Set will be gone.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Now that I don't have the Faithlife Connect benefits, where can the new perks be found?
"Your speech must always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person." - Colossians 4:6
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The subscription-only-free book is at https://www.logos.com/free-book/subscriber
The 5% should just be there when you look at items.
I don't know how to tell what your 5% back is at.
There is a Subscription Perks section on this FAQ page: https://www.logos.com/subscription-faq
Hope this helps!
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Ah right, thanks. I should have clarified that I was talking about the the 3 monthly Faithlife classic ebooks, and 2x courses (of your choice). Don't seem to see anything about it in the FAQJonathan Bradley said:The subscription-only-free book is at https://www.logos.com/free-book/subscriber
The 5% should just be there when you look at items.
I don't know how to tell what your 5% back is at.
There is a Subscription Perks section on this FAQ page: https://www.logos.com/subscription-faq
Hope this helps!
"Your speech must always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person." - Colossians 4:6
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NathanL said:
Ah right, thanks. I should have clarified that I was talking about the the 3 monthly Faithlife classic ebooks, and 2x courses (of your choice). Don't seem to see anything about it in the FAQ
Those perks have been replaced.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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NathanL said:Jonathan Bradley said:
The subscription-only-free book is at https://www.logos.com/free-book/subscriber
The 5% should just be there when you look at items.
I don't know how to tell what your 5% back is at.
There is a Subscription Perks section on this FAQ page: https://www.logos.com/subscription-faq
Hope this helps!
Ah right, thanks. I should have clarified that I was talking about the the 3 monthly Faithlife classic ebooks, and 2x courses (of your choice). Don't seem to see anything about it in the FAQAs far as I know, the 3 Faithlife Classic ebooks is no longer a thing. As for the courses, there are rotating free courses that change every quarter, the number of courses you have access to is dependent on your level of subscription. The current courses are listed and broken down by subscription level in the section of the FAQ under the Perks section titled, "What Mobile Ed Courses Are Available in Each Subscription?" (See screenshot below).
There is no longer a free rental of 2 courses per year. With the new subscription, you gain some and lose some.
I hope this answers your questions.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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I'm not going to lie: Thank you for your follow-up post. It made me look more at the FAQ, and I was excited to see the list of the courses in there. I hadn't seen that before.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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Jonathan Bradley said:NathanL said:Jonathan Bradley said:
The subscription-only-free book is at https://www.logos.com/free-book/subscriber
The 5% should just be there when you look at items.
I don't know how to tell what your 5% back is at.
There is a Subscription Perks section on this FAQ page: https://www.logos.com/subscription-faq
Hope this helps!
Ah right, thanks. I should have clarified that I was talking about the the 3 monthly Faithlife classic ebooks, and 2x courses (of your choice). Don't seem to see anything about it in the FAQAs far as I know, the 3 Faithlife Classic ebooks is no longer a thing. As for the courses, there are rotating free courses that change every quarter, the number of courses you have access to is dependent on your level of subscription. The current courses are listed and broken down by subscription level in the section of the FAQ under the Perks section titled, "What Mobile Ed Courses Are Available in Each Subscription?" (See screenshot below).
There is no longer a free rental of 2 courses per year. With the new subscription, you gain some and lose some.
I hope this answers your questions.
Thank you!
Blessings in Christ.
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