Logos Upgrade - No Subscription or online
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Delete the Logos folder (at %localappdata%) after an uninstall to get a fresh installation.
Dave
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Dave, there is still some confusion on this. Only those who have purchased a previous Logos 10 or earlier base package are eligible for the Legacy Fallback License after subscribing for 24 consecutive months. So new customers who have never owned a Logos base package are not eligible. But that could change. You never know. Full details are n the subscription FAQ page: https://www.logos.com/subscription-faq
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A couple things Dave - were L10 FFS owners "rewarded"??? I think that is a stretch, as we already owned the majority of the Features available at launch - unless you consider "rewarded" to be what we have had as Dynamic Pricing that takes into consideration what Features and Resources are owned.
You state that "If any user cancels after two years" the LFL allows them to keep all offline features in their subscription tier… Is this some inside information, maybe I missed something - but the announcement was that L10 FFS owners and Previous Base Package owners were rewarded with the LFL after two consecutive years - not "any" user.
See Subscription FAQs here →
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Thank you @Steven MacDonald @Frank Sauer There has been confusion. I had the FFS but went ahead and purchased L10 Gold while is was discounted. I just wanted to be sure that I had the bases covered. I plan to stay with a subscription for two years.
I do see a benefit to new Logos users in order to get started. The large startup cost is overcome. The problem is that once you make a commitment to study within Logos and you purchase libraries in your pursuit, you never own the L10 level FFS. Time will tell if this is palatable for new users.2 -
@Kevin Houghtaling this is the primary reason that I cannot promote Logos as I used. I can't see someone new coming in spending anywhere from $190 to $380 for the two year discount and if they stop, all they have is the free engine and resources that come with it… (I am not counting the purchase of any Library)
I'm not even sure that I see a benefit for new users in the lower cost of entry… We always had payment plans that helped lower the cost (granted not as low as the subscription), but you received the Features and a nice library of resources. (OWNING both)
In another post/thread somewhere on the Forums I compared the cost of a Gold Level subscription (Max to get all Gold Features plus the Library) and the Golden Era purchase the Gold Library and OWN the Features and Resources was not drastically higher than the New Era cost - especially considering that a user would OWN the Golden Era purchase.
Time will tell for sure - I keep arguing for new users to qualify for the LFL as well - at least, if they had to walk away from a subscription, it wouldn't be with only the free engine….
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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I would always recommend a new user pay monthly. If they decide Logos isn't for them, they really haven't lost anything.
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@Kevin Houghtaling I am glad to here you you grabbed Gold while still available. The purpose of my response was so that everyone can make an informed decision and not end up highly disappointed at the end of two years because of assuming they would get the LFL. I encouraged multiple friends prior to the cutover and explained what was coming. Logos got multiple sales from that. But under the new paradigm, as @Mark Allison mentioned, it would be best for a new user to do a 30-day trial before deciding on whether or not it's worth it.
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Yes, the argument of the reduced cost of entry, like several of the arguments ("it's like Netflix!", etc) rings a bit hollow. For Logos8 thru 10 (I think), I picked up the features are a reduced cost (Faithlife sold various levels of features per package-level). I didn't particularly want the features, but they hopped on the books. And at Logos10, in its last days of the Golden Era, of course Faithlife severely discounted it. I think I caught up for $75 or so.
The other, a truism in packaging, is that few people use more than a few of what's packaged. That's why I think Faithlife's financing is now a pastor or academic proposition … or hobbyists as the case may be. Hopefully, that's a decent size market for them.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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You can get Logos for free. I'll bet there's a great market for that.
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Always has been free … and a 'big money maker' for FL too. Bob used to complain … lots of customers, server demands, and limited cash flow.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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So there you go!
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As a trial to see if a user sees enough benefit in the platform - absolutely agree.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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There is confusion as I went to the "Choose Your Plan" option at Logos.com when I was getting my wife a Subscription. It omits the Who is eligible… question in its FAQ section. So why would I (or new user) choose "Subscription FAQs" further down the same Menu (which is the link you used above)? Furthermore, why does the What is a legacy…FAQ in both pages have the statement "Instead of falling back to a free or previous version of Logos….."?
I will bring this to the attention of Faithlife.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I've mentioned this to them as well
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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I have been under the impression that if, having no relationship with Faithlife or Logos, you installed the Logos desktop ap, you would get a basic desktop experience with limited features. There may be a fallacy in my understanding. I don’t have a blank computer to check this out. Can someone confirm what you get? Do you get an comparable L10 FFS? Also, after two-years of subscription status do you get a Legacy Fall back feature set or something less? All these questions are based on starting without a prior relationship.
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@Kevin Houghtaling - here's a link to the Free Edition → it explains what's included.
As for the LFL question - there is currently confusion on this. The FAQ says one thing (which lines up with the Official Announcement) but others have mentioned they are seeing something different - hopefully they will allow the LFL for everyone - but there hasn't been an Official Announcement to confirm that, as of yet!
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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@Steven MacDonald Dave, there is still some confusion on this. Only those who have purchased a previous Logos 10 or earlier base package are eligible for the Legacy Fallback License after subscribing for 24 consecutive months. So new customers who have never owned a Logos base package are not eligible.
@Frank Sauer You state that "If any user cancels after two years" the LFL allows them to keep all offline features in their subscription tier… Is this some inside information, maybe I missed something - but the announcement was that L10 FFS owners and Previous Base Package owners were rewarded with the LFL after two consecutive years - not "any" user.
Steven and Frank are correct, only those who have purchased a previous Logos 10 or earlier base package are eligible for the Legacy Fallback License after 24 consecutive months. And @Jason Stone (Logos) said:
When a user is logged in and navigates to the plan picker on the subscription page, it will show them Legacy Fallback License and related FAQs if they're eligible to earn it. If the user is not eligible, it won't show it as included under the plan details, and it won't show FAQs about it.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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