Logos Upgrade - No Subscription or online
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Are you saying I can download the latest version of the engine and not pay anything? DEAL! Sign me up… I could care less about new features… my Logos 9 crashes all the time. I just want to use the books I have. How do I do that and not subscribe or pay anything?
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Not yet, I am hoping to find a way to reinstall Logos 9 or install Logos 10. So, I can use my books without crashing. I have no desire to continue my relationship with Logos, beyond what I already have. The program is cool… but I get the feeling of being juiced. I don't like that feeling.
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Are you saying I can download the latest version of the engine and not pay anything?
Yes you can - but it's worth checking what version of the software engine you are actually using first.
I know you mention Logos 9 but I wonder if that relates to the latest package you bought as opposed to the version of the software engine. If you click the three dots icon at the top-right / bottom-left of your Logos window you should see a popup menu that includes the option About Logos. If you click that you should get a panel showing you, among other things, what version of the engine you are using.
If you are running anything other than Logos 39 (the latest software release), entering the command update now in the command box should download the latest version.
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So, I can use my books without crashing
And once we know what version you are using and, ideally, once you have the latest version if you are still having issues with the program crashing I suggest starting a new thread where we can explore that with you.
You might actually want to hold off doing the update now command for a day or so - but it would be good to know what version of the software engine you are running - because some people are having issues with the latest release, Logos 39.
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Hi Graham, I am on 9.17.0.0020 aka 9.17 SR-2. I started a separate thread about the crashing.
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Hi Graham, I am on 9.17.0.0020 aka 9.17 SR-2. I started a separate thread about the crashing.
Thanks for advising that - I can't see your separate thread so continuing here.
Is there a particular reason why you are still running 9.17? Did you deliberately choose to not upgrade or was there a reason why it couldn't be done?
What platform are you running on (OS and version)?
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I used to have no problem getting a monograph for the Kindle if it was less expensive. However, with Logos' new search features and the ability to incorporate the contents of a monograph in the overall search summary, I think it's worth sticking with Logos. And for research resources like commentaries, lexicons, Bible dictionaries, etc., it's a no-brainer. They're MUCH more functional in Logos and I'm willing to pay the extra overhead.
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In my initial post, I posted that I thought upgrading was confusing. I thought you had to buy a new package to upgrade. I have searched before on how to upgrade and not found anything useful beyond buying a new package. In going from Logos 7 to 8 and 8 to 9 I did Crossgrades. Which just upgraded features with no new resources. If you can tell me the procedure for updating to 10 or even how to uninstall 9 and reinstall 9. I would be appreciative. It's frustrating having so much money sunk into something that is borderline unusable. If I have good will towards a company I will gladly spend money on them. The lack of clarity on this is one of the things that has begun to make me want to move away from Logos.
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I'm a new user, but I'm pretty sure all you need to do is download the app and install it.
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This should work, though it may be beneficial to uninstall and start fresh considering the crash issues.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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This should work, though it may be beneficial to uninstall and start fresh considering the crash issues.
I'd try the install first.
Just deleting the app and reinstalling wouldn't address any possible issues with corruption in any of the databases (not saying there is any) so they would need to be deleted as well and downloaded again
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Running uninstall should remove everything, including the databases.
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Running uninstall should remove everything, including the databases.
Are you sure? I didn't think that was the case
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Okay just to confirm… if I uninstall and reinstall I won't be forced to buy anything as far as you guys know.
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Side Note: Shout out to Graham, as I was able to get my version number by holding down CTRL while opening Logos… which opened it without anything open and it did not crash. I probably have something corrupted somwhere. Before that, I tried doing a repair in the "Add Remove Programs" box in windows and it did not fix it. I also tried removing my cache files in the logos directory, but it had no affect. Good job Graham!!!
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Okay just to confirm… if I uninstall and reinstall I won't be forced to buy anything as far as you guys know.
Yes, that is correct
I was able to get my version number by holding down CTRL while opening Logos… which opened it without anything open and it did not crash. I probably have something corrupted somwhere
Often with those types of crashes it is due to a corrupt layout.
Do you have a particular layout that you normally open Logos to?
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Now it only crashes after a couple of searches. I am going to uninstall and reinstall and see what happens.
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Those who had the L10 FFS seem to have the better deal going forward. I am hard pressed to recommend a subscription forever account to a newbie. I am not clear how a newbie is treated. After two years is there any portion of a FFS (minus AI dependency) provided?
It would be beneficial if someone could now purchase L10 as it was but be locked out of subscription discounts or something of that nature. For someone without Internet, L10 would still be as good as many here learned to treasure and use for study.
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Hi, Kevin.
There is also a Logos Free App that anyone can download. It won't include all of the advanced features however that would be included with the subscription.
May at some point Logos will consider adding the option of purchasing a non-AI version. Time will tell.
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Logos 10 FFS owners were rewarded for their past investment in Logos with a discounted subscription. Those owners who upgraded to the L10 FFS prior to subscription launch received a discount for previous ownership and received the same discount on their subscription. New users on Logos Max get to use the same features (plus new ones). If any user cancels after two years (24 consecutive months) the Legacy Fallback license allows them to keep all offline** features in their subscription tier.
** AI and Cloud features are excluded.
Dave
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Delete the Logos folder (at %localappdata%) after an uninstall to get a fresh installation.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Dave, there is still some confusion on this. Only those who have purchased a previous Logos 10 or earlier base package are eligible for the Legacy Fallback License after subscribing for 24 consecutive months. So new customers who have never owned a Logos base package are not eligible. But that could change. You never know. Full details are n the subscription FAQ page: https://www.logos.com/subscription-faq
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A couple things Dave - were L10 FFS owners "rewarded"??? I think that is a stretch, as we already owned the majority of the Features available at launch - unless you consider "rewarded" to be what we have had as Dynamic Pricing that takes into consideration what Features and Resources are owned.
You state that "If any user cancels after two years" the LFL allows them to keep all offline features in their subscription tier… Is this some inside information, maybe I missed something - but the announcement was that L10 FFS owners and Previous Base Package owners were rewarded with the LFL after two consecutive years - not "any" user.
See Subscription FAQs here →
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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Thank you @Steven MacDonald @Frank Sauer There has been confusion. I had the FFS but went ahead and purchased L10 Gold while is was discounted. I just wanted to be sure that I had the bases covered. I plan to stay with a subscription for two years.
I do see a benefit to new Logos users in order to get started. The large startup cost is overcome. The problem is that once you make a commitment to study within Logos and you purchase libraries in your pursuit, you never own the L10 level FFS. Time will tell if this is palatable for new users.2 -
@Kevin Houghtaling this is the primary reason that I cannot promote Logos as I used. I can't see someone new coming in spending anywhere from $190 to $380 for the two year discount and if they stop, all they have is the free engine and resources that come with it… (I am not counting the purchase of any Library)
I'm not even sure that I see a benefit for new users in the lower cost of entry… We always had payment plans that helped lower the cost (granted not as low as the subscription), but you received the Features and a nice library of resources. (OWNING both)
In another post/thread somewhere on the Forums I compared the cost of a Gold Level subscription (Max to get all Gold Features plus the Library) and the Golden Era purchase the Gold Library and OWN the Features and Resources was not drastically higher than the New Era cost - especially considering that a user would OWN the Golden Era purchase.
Time will tell for sure - I keep arguing for new users to qualify for the LFL as well - at least, if they had to walk away from a subscription, it wouldn't be with only the free engine….
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 16 & Android 14
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I would always recommend a new user pay monthly. If they decide Logos isn't for them, they really haven't lost anything.
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@Kevin Houghtaling I am glad to here you you grabbed Gold while still available. The purpose of my response was so that everyone can make an informed decision and not end up highly disappointed at the end of two years because of assuming they would get the LFL. I encouraged multiple friends prior to the cutover and explained what was coming. Logos got multiple sales from that. But under the new paradigm, as @Mark Allison mentioned, it would be best for a new user to do a 30-day trial before deciding on whether or not it's worth it.
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Yes, the argument of the reduced cost of entry, like several of the arguments ("it's like Netflix!", etc) rings a bit hollow. For Logos8 thru 10 (I think), I picked up the features are a reduced cost (Faithlife sold various levels of features per package-level). I didn't particularly want the features, but they hopped on the books. And at Logos10, in its last days of the Golden Era, of course Faithlife severely discounted it. I think I caught up for $75 or so.
The other, a truism in packaging, is that few people use more than a few of what's packaged. That's why I think Faithlife's financing is now a pastor or academic proposition … or hobbyists as the case may be. Hopefully, that's a decent size market for them.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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You can get Logos for free. I'll bet there's a great market for that.
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Always has been free … and a 'big money maker' for FL too. Bob used to complain … lots of customers, server demands, and limited cash flow.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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