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Hi Unix,
Unix said:Regarding Baker's I'd be glad if someone with experience from it offers views or summaries of what it's like!
I am not sure whether this is helpful, but D.A. Carson writes (in his New Testament Commentary Survey),
Considerably better is the series of commentaries by William Hendriksen (NTC). Eight volumes were produced: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Romans, Galatians-Ephesians, Philippians-Colossians-Philemon, and Thessalonians-Timothy-Titus (BoT, mostly out of print/Baker, ranging from $39.99 to $49.99 per volume). Hendriksen is self-consciously orthodox and Reformed. Although his comments are often helpful to the expositor, the verbosity of his style and the selectivity of his interaction with alternative interpretations demand that he be supplemented with other works. Nevertheless, his concern for practical application can make his work useful to some preachers. In the wake of Hendriksen’s death, Simon Kistemaker agreed to complete the series, and all the volumes have now appeared (/Baker, ranging from $39.99 to $49.99 per volume; $250.00 for the complete set of Hendriksen and Kistemaker). On the British side, only two volumes have been picked up, both by Evangelical Press: the one on Hebrews (£17.95), and the one on James, 1–2 Peter, 1–3 John, and Jude (£19.99). On the whole, his work is solid but not incisive, with the result that there are usually better alternatives.
The ranking on bestcommentaries.com may also prove helpful. The specific page relating to this series is available here.
In terms of commentaries on Ecclesiastes, I recently preached a series on this book and found Tremper Longman's entry in NICOT to be helpful. Iain Provan, NIVAC, was useful in terms of application (as one might expect).
Blessings,
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Unix said:
I need an answer today before the close of Logos office hours on all except Oxford and Baker's, there is no time for a new thread - I don't want too late answers either. It would be tiresome for people who search the internet for information about these commentaries, to wade through several threads which would be exactly the same. Baker's (HK) is more expensive in Accordance (comparing Logos and Accordance regular price), so I doubt anyone goes there and buys it because I mentioned it here.
This thread was definitely the most relevant for my questions since Jonathan reviewed several of the commentaries/books I'm thinking about.
I do have a several commentaries on Ecclesiastes, but one is old and very brief, and other ones are technical from the '00s. I did not buy them individually.
A friend of mine who lives in the archipelago has given arguments for his view, from Ecclesiastes.Regarding Baker's I'd be glad if someone with experience from it offers views or summaries of what it's like! I want to know at latest on Wednesday Oct 23.
My thinking was simply that you might have more people see the new thread; and lets not post links to logos competitors.
I don't feel qualified to give a comprehensive answers as to which will benefit you more. Though I am inclined towards things that Carson would recommend.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Is Carson saying that there are other New Testament commentary sets as cheap and better?:
abondservant said:I am inclined towards things that Carson would recommend
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Unix said:
Is Carson saying that there are other New Testament commentary sets as cheap and better?:
abondservant said:I am inclined towards things that Carson would recommend
Having just re-read the section in which Carson provides an overview of commentary sets (rather than individual volumes), Carson comments as follows,
Anchor Bible, ecumenical and moderately critical, 'is a decidedly mixed series' (p. 21)
BECNT, "More than some series, BECNT tries to integrate exegesis and serious confessional theological reflection." (p. 21)
Black NT Commentaries, "A few of the volumes in the series are distinguished (e.g., Barrett on 1 and 2 Corinthians)." (p. 22)
College Press NIV Commentaries, "Most of the contributions that have appeared so far are decidedly on the light side, but some of the volumes are stronger." (p. 22)
Expositor's Bible Commentary, "The series is committed to evangelicalism but suffers serious unevenness—a flaw made worse by the fact that more than one NT book commentary is bound in each volume (e.g., the synoptics in vol. 8, John and Acts in vol. 9, etc.)." (p. 23)
NICNT, Carson does not specifically comment on quality here, but it is my recollection that he tends to highly regard a number of individual volumes within the set (e.g. Fee on 1 Corinthians, Moo on Romans, etc.).
NIGNT, "is up-to-date, bibliographically almost exhaustive, exegetical, and within the evangelical tradition, broadly understood. Volumes keep appearing, some of them outstanding. One or two volumes have been criticized, not unfairly, by clergy who find their contents too technical and tightly packed to be useful. For clergy and others well trained in Greek and exegesis, the series is one to watch." (p. 26)
Pillar, as with NICNT, above, Carson does not specifically comment on the evenness of the series here. However, it is my recollection that he highly regards some of the individual volumes (notably, O'Brien on Ephesians). Carson is the author of the entry on John's Gospel.
TNTC, "are designed for the frequently-targeted well-read layperson, but many pastors profit as well. The series is conservative but focuses most attention on explaining the meaning of the text with minimal interaction with the voluminous secondary literature. Originally based on the AV/KJV, with Greek and Hebrew transliterated and explained, the series is being rewritten based on the RSV or NIV (at the individual author’s discretion), and space is being assigned more equitably. Several of the volumes of this new edition are, within the constraints of the series, outstanding (e.g., Marshall on Acts)." (p. 29)
I have not summarised his comments on ICC or Hermeneia as I understand, from other posts, that you are familiar with these series. I have also focused on the technical and semi-technical entries as I understand this is where you interest most probably lies.
Obviously, it is worth reiterating that the above is simply my attempt to summarise Carson's evaluation. You should, therefore, regard the above comments accordingly.
I have not commented on price as you can evaluate the cost yourself via the Logos website.
Blessings,
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While I do prefer if there's some non-transliterated Gk, following exegetics is sometimes a bit of a strain so if some of the exegesis is hidden from the eye, that might be OK. Also, keep a slow pace buying technical commentaries awaiting for what future reveals:
Andy Evans said:I have also focused on the technical and semi-technical entries as I understand this is where you interest most probably lies.
Did a search on baker exegetical and sorted by bestselling: https://www.logos.com/products/search?q=baker+exegetical&start=&sort=bestselling&pageSize=15
... Baker's New Testament Commentary (HK) is not that far down. I also noticed that many upgrades to BECNT (with the exception of Moo on Galatians) are very far down, very near College Press NIV Commentaries.Regarding price, incomplete sets often have a high cost. Logos pricing seems to be based to some extent on how long ago most of the NT was covered. <speculation>That may reflect cost for "royalties" to the publisher.</speculation> I guess publishers sometimes themselves offer Logos lower "royalties" requiring that Logos lowers the price hoping for more SKU sales. But as the regular price for Baker's New Testament Commentary (HK) has been lowered only once and the set has not been broken up, I'm guessing that the publisher still makes some profit on it.
It would be interesting to hear if someone specifically wants to suggest something better than Baker's (HK) on:
- Mt (I already have a technical commentary and a cultural one on Mt.)
- 1 Jn (If I could get a suggestion for an expositional with a bit of application but not too much, with non-transliterated Gk, that would be just great! As this is quite specific I'll start a new thread about it now.)
- Jude
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bump!
Last chance to give me an opinion on the Baker's New Testament Commentary (HK)! (I have made up my mind about all other orders except Oxford which I won't have to decide until some years from now: I kept the Ecclesiastes volume and returned Primitive Christianity (the latter was on a daily twitter sale during the winter, which I saw, but I don't regret, I would not have wanted it at that price either because the author was a Protestant and became atheist and it's a bit dated already).)The cost a page, if using only certain volumes on books of the Bible that I would definitely use and only volumes from the '80s an onwards, would be: ¢11.8 a page:
(Acts (1 page, explained below), Ro 1-15 (507 pages), 2 Cor 1-9 (335 pages), Jas (190 pages), 1 Pt (210 pages without any bibliography).)Partially EDITed 9:30 PM: In some sense, I might also make some use of the volumes on Acts and 1 Cor (the latter is from 1993 by Simon J. Kistemaker, 624 pages so it seems like pretty verbose) and the pages on Jude, so I didn't count that into the above pages. I would use them just for occasional verses. I do use 1 Cor and Jude but have other, newer commentaries on it (the one on Jude in Baker NTC (HK) is from 1987). I don't use Acts and prefer Hermeneia for an introduction on it. The Acts volume in Baker NTC (HK) (from 1990) is 945 pages without the introduction which I wouldn't use, except one page that I would use that has a comparison to 1 Pt.
You could say that I would definitely use 1 volume (Ro) + ¾ a volume (2 Cor) + ⅜ a volume (Jas and the Epistles of John) + ½ a volume (Peter and Jude). ...
So that's 1+¾+⅜+½=2⅝ volumes.
... And then the cost would be $56 a volume.EDIT 9:30 PM: The cost can also be calculated as being $4.32 a chapter in the Bible!
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Unix, I have Baker New Testament Commentary as my number one prioritized commentary.
And I must point out that I have many of the top commentary series on offer by Logos.
I have portfolio + Wright's For Everyone, Reading the NT 12vols, Boice's Expositional, Socio-Rhetorical, Analytical Bible expositor, Cornerstone, Understanding the Bible 12Vols, Application Commentaries Bundle, NICOT/NICOT, Welwyn Commentary Series (49vol), NIV Application, WBC, Tyndale and many others. The Wycliffe Bible Commentary OT&NT just to name a few of my head.
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[quote]Unix, I have Baker New Testament Commentary as my number one prioritized commentary.
And I must point out that I have many of the top commentary series on offer by Logos.
I have portfolio + Wright's For Everyone, Reading the NT 12vols, Boice's Expositional, Socio-Rhetorical, Analytical Bible expositor, Cornerstone, Understanding the Bible 12Vols, Application Commentaries Bundle, NICOT/NICOT, Welwyn Commentary Series (49vol), NIV Application, WBC, Tyndale and many others. The Wycliffe Bible Commentary OT&NT just to name a few of my head.
That is a pretty impressive Logos Library... [Y]
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Yesterday I called Logos and decided to finance 50.2% of Baker's New Testament Commentary (HK) by making two additional returns of books which I had bought for 25-50% off. (One of them I returned because it didn't seem popular and because I thought it probably had a bit incomplete coverage of the topic it tried to cover, the other one which was about Psychology and forgiveness I returned because it was too old (from 2004) and in most chapters relied more on Bible references than psychology.)
So I kept Baker's NTC (HK) from the September 2013 sale when it was sold for 7% off.
(In case someone will wonder why I don't respond in forums since yesterday, the rest of the week and next week, it's because I'm making an installation of Logos on one computer and I'm estimating the download time to 1 week around the clock. I will only be able to read. I'll of course use another computer for schoolwork and Logos meanwhile but without internet.)
I hope I've helped someone who searches for commentaries!
Some time later on this ongoing year I will post a long new post in the thread: Practical Commentary on Scripture ... where I'm collecting all reviews. Others are also welcome to post there! I'll be reviewing the commentaries I've bought during September-October 2013.Disclosure!
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Unix said:
Yesterday I called Logos and decided to finance 50.2% of Baker's New Testament Commentary (HK) by making two additional returns of books which I had bought for 25-50% off. (One of them I returned because it didn't seem popular and because I thought it probably had a bit incomplete coverage of the topic it tried to cover, the other one which was about Psychology and forgiveness I returned because it was too old (from 2004) and in most chapters relied more on Bible references than psychology.)
Unix,
You seem to return an inordinate number of resources. Don't you think it would be prudent to research these things before you buy them? The publication dates and authors are readily discoverable so there are no surprises.
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Super.Tramp said:
Unix,
You seem to return an inordinate number of resources. Don't you think it would be prudent to research these things before you buy them? The publication dates and authors are readily discoverable so there are no surprises.
I would have to agree with that observation Super Tramp. I have noticed in other threads that Unix is regularly returning books.
Unix if you read this what do you use Logos for (or intend to at a later date)?
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- Write papers (regarding Jude I complement with Accordance where the Pillar commentary volume is a little cheaper - the only volume from that series that I have been wanting to get), both to share with a new friend who reads the Bible at least 1 hour every week, an for excelling in uni.
- To have an inquisitive nature and give input on http://unorthodoxchristian.freeforums.net and http://www.christianforums.com.
- Pauline studies (except NPP). T&T Clark Pauline Studies Collection (28 vols.).
- Reading the Septuagint (if the seller of the used Göttingen -copy waits long enough for me to save the money to buy from him (he lives in Helsinki), for a translation I mainly use Accordance).
- First three quarters of the 2nd Century Christianity, except 2 Pt, Jn 21. Especially Ptolemy and Teaching of Sylvanus.
- Select other Church History topics.
- Origen. (Will wait for a book that has the new manuscript finds, have Worship in the Early Church: An Anthology of Historical Sources.)
- Gk other than syntax (I will use Accordance with NA29 for the latter).
- UBS Handbook Upgrade. (I use Accordance for the NT.)
- Quick lookups to find out slants. But for a Bible Dictionary I use NIDB as printed matter until it goes into production in Logos.
- Read a few favourite authors' views, such as Pheme Perkins, John Howard Yoder, Margaret E. Thrall, Barnabas Lindars, Katharine Doob Sakenfeld, Simon J. Kistemaker, Richard Bauckham (will not buy older books by him), Antoinette Clark Wire, Chesterton, Judith M. Lieu.
- Is 2-39, 52:13–53:12. But I have to complement with the Jerusalem Bible as printed matter - in which I make changes with Tip-Ex and a pen.
- Resurrection.
- Lk 3-24.
- Ecclesiastes.
- Jas. But I complement with a book by Richard Bauckham that I have as printed matter that is not in Logos but which has been suggested (in the Suggestions -forum and in the Faithlife Anglican community).
- 4 Ezra.
- Select resources for devotional reading: Kelvin Niblett said:
what do you use Logos for (or intend to at a later date)?
EDIT: As Logos books are so well-tagged the format of the book doesn't matter so much, nor does whether a series is completer or whether I have all the volumes as it's easy to make Collections.Disclosure!
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