How to search for all words that have a Qamats with a Meteg?

BKMitchell
BKMitchell Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭
edited December 15 in English Forum

I am wondering if this is possible in Logos?I would like to find all instances of a meteg attached to a qamats, in the Hebrew Bible which by the way is one way of indicating a qamats gadol.

QUESTION: With Logos is it possible to find all letters that have a qamats vowel with a meteg attached to it?

חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

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  • BKMitchell
    BKMitchell Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭

    Bump!

    חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

  • Brian Leathers
    Brian Leathers Member Posts: 178 ✭✭

    Please Logos, provide us with the searching capabilities to find specific Hebrew vowels alongside specific cantillation accents such as the example BKMitchell has provided. The ability to search specific patterns of Hebrew vowels and cantillation accents is something we are used to doing in Accordance that would take Logos to the next level. Especially when considering the rather tenuous position that Accordance is in. Logos needs to make these kinds of searches a priority to make Logos much more attractive to translators and scholars who would really benefit from these features.

  • BKMitchell
    BKMitchell Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭
    edited December 16

    Thank you Brian Leathers for your post!

    חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 35,761

    Looks like we have lost our Hebrew experts!

    Dave
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  • Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)
    Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) MVP Posts: 23,124

    @BKMitchell December 15QUESTION: With Logos is it possible to find all letters that have a qamats vowel with a meteg attached to it?

    Bible Search for cantillation:name:Meteg can find Meteg. Searching qamats vowel is challenging. Biblia Hebraica transcripta has searchable constructions: e.g. construction:=bht/x-tl/1u2a3

    39B1_search_meteg_transcripta.jpg

    Appears Genesis 2:23 and Jeremiah 20:15 would be part of the Hebrew answer for @BKMitchell

    Keep Smiling 😊

  • Brian Leathers
    Brian Leathers Member Posts: 178 ✭✭

    Thank you Keep Smiling! Appreciate your help with this.👍

  • Matthew Anstey
    Matthew Anstey Member Posts: 4 ✭✭

    That's an incredibly clunky and counterintuitive way to search cantillation. It should be able to be done on the original Hebrew, without having to intersect with a search from a transcription text. Transcription texts are interpreted and reflect morphonological assumptions of the creator - one should be able to search on the raw underlying manuscript data. It is all there - BWorks allowed one to create this search about 15 years ago or more.

  • DMB
    DMB Member Posts: 13,613 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349354#Comment_1349354

    Yep. There is something odd about pointing to an out of business BW, or an unfavored Accordance, as examples of good hebrew support. I suspect only the use-statistics in FL can suggest the future.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

  • BKMitchell
    BKMitchell Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭

    @keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) Bible Search for cantillation:name:Meteg can find Meteg. Searching qamats vowel is challenging. Biblia Hebraica transcripta has searchable constructions: e.g. construction:=bht/x-tl/1u2a3

    Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and for your ingenuity! As they say it is the thought that counts! and I am grateful for your clever thoughts! You really did think outside of the box on this one!!!

    חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

  • BKMitchell
    BKMitchell Member Posts: 626 ✭✭✭
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349907#Comment_1349907

    I am in fully agreement with you on this one!

    חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי

  • Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)
    Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) MVP Posts: 23,124
    https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349930#Comment_1349930

    +1 👍️ Agree about clunky. Hebrew vowel pointing is lacking for searching (while Context menu shows lots of other stuff that can be searched).

    Keep Smiling 😊

  • Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)
    Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) MVP Posts: 23,124

    @Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) December 19 Appears Genesis 2:23 and Jeremiah 20:15 would be part of the Hebrew answer for @BKMitchell

    My oops 🤭 as Genesis 2:23 and Jeremiah 20:15 have qibbûṣ instead of qāmeṣ

    39B1_search_meteg_transcripta_base.jpg

    Genesis 1:21 is an example where two vowel points have the same transliteration "ha" that lacks tagging for specific vowel point searching.

    Keep Smiling 😊

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