How to search for all words that have a Qamats with a Meteg?

BKMitchell · 2024-12-15T13:18:27+00:00

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I am wondering if this is possible in Logos?I would like to find all instances of a meteg attached to a qamats, in the Hebrew Bible which by the way is one way of indicating a qamats gadol.

QUESTION: With Logos is it possible to find all letters that have a qamats vowel with a meteg attached to it?

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BKMitchell

Bump!

Brian Leathers

Please Logos, provide us with the searching capabilities to find specific Hebrew vowels alongside specific cantillation accents such as the example BKMitchell has provided. The ability to search specific patterns of Hebrew vowels and cantillation accents is something we are used to doing in Accordance that would take Logos to the next level. Especially when considering the rather tenuous position that Accordance is in. Logos needs to make these kinds of searches a priority to make Logos much more attractive to translators and scholars who would really benefit from these features.

BKMitchell

Thank you Brian Leathers for your post!

Dave Hooton

Looks like we have lost our Hebrew experts!

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@BKMitchell December 15QUESTION: With Logos is it possible to find all letters that have a qamats vowel with a meteg attached to it?

Bible Search for cantillation:name:Meteg can find Meteg. Searching qamats vowel is challenging. Biblia Hebraica transcripta has searchable constructions: e.g. construction:=bht/x-tl/1u2a3

Appears Genesis 2:23 and Jeremiah 20:15 would be part of the Hebrew answer for @BKMitchell

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Brian Leathers

Thank you Keep Smiling! Appreciate your help with this.👍

Matthew Anstey

That's an incredibly clunky and counterintuitive way to search cantillation. It should be able to be done on the original Hebrew, without having to intersect with a search from a transcription text. Transcription texts are interpreted and reflect morphonological assumptions of the creator - one should be able to search on the raw underlying manuscript data. It is all there - BWorks allowed one to create this search about 15 years ago or more.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349354#Comment_1349354

Yep. There is something odd about pointing to an out of business BW, or an unfavored Accordance, as examples of good hebrew support. I suspect only the use-statistics in FL can suggest the future.

BKMitchell

@keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) Bible Search for cantillation:name:Meteg can find Meteg. Searching qamats vowel is challenging. Biblia Hebraica transcripta has searchable constructions: e.g. construction:=bht/x-tl/1u2a3

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and for your ingenuity! As they say it is the thought that counts! and I am grateful for your clever thoughts! You really did think outside of the box on this one!!!

BKMitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349907#Comment_1349907

I am in fully agreement with you on this one!

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https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1349930#Comment_1349930

+1 👍️ Agree about clunky. Hebrew vowel pointing is lacking for searching (while Context menu shows lots of other stuff that can be searched).

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@Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) December 19 Appears Genesis 2:23 and Jeremiah 20:15 would be part of the Hebrew answer for @BKMitchell

My oops 🤭 as Genesis 2:23 and Jeremiah 20:15 have qibbûṣ instead of qāmeṣ

Genesis 1:21 is an example where two vowel points have the same transliteration "ha" that lacks tagging for specific vowel point searching.

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