Difference Between Workflow and Study Builder
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A workflow is a step-by-step how to perform a particular type of study - often based on the methods of a single author. A Study builder is notes and questions for use in a group setting which doesn't care in the least how you get to the answer.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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@MJ. Smith So for personal Bible study to gather information about what the text is about, which one of these two work better and how to use it for that purpose.
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It sounds like you want a workflow. It will walk you through a process of studying a passage personally. But this is the type of question where you would probably be better served by trying it out than reading our descriptions of it.
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Does it matter what workflow you choose, and please keep this in mind that I am limited to web app and mobile app. I have also noticed than when you have a workflow the workflow does not stay in dashboard. I need to add it every time, is this normal.
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@Justin Gatlin it seems I will need to make use of Bible Study Builder. With workflow I am limited to using it on web app only which has limited time. But Study Builder I can use on mobile and continue the study any time any place I have a minute.
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The Bible Builder is to create a Bible Study for others not to actually study scripture on your own. Think of it this way:
- to write a sermon use the sermon builder
- to write a bible study use the Bible study builder
- To study the Bible use workflows if you want guidance, layout & notes if you want freeform
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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@MJ. Smith if workflow is for personal study and is only available on desktop and partly on web app, what is the use of mobile app. How is one then to do a study using mobile app. If people that does not use desktop or laptop then not able to study, but use logos for reading.
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How is one then to do a study using mobile app. If people that does not use desktop or laptop then not able to study, but use logos for reading.
The mobile app can be used for study - but just not using Logos workflows.
Some possible approaches:
- Reading the biblical text, comparing different translations, getting insights from Study Bibles and commentaries
- Exploring biblical themes, topics and people starting from the Factbook and making use of linked resources such as dictionaries
- Conduct studies of original language words
- Run simple or complex searches
- etc
Does that help at all?
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@Graham Criddle not really, it seems I am paying for a software that does not really account for me as a mobile user. Web app is not complete in workflow due to some guides not available. I don’t have a group that uses Logos, so not able to use Study Builder and not preaching so no use for sermon builder. So it seems I just not use free version as there seems to be a lot of limitations for mobile users. Olive tree at least has something similar than Logos Insight for free where I need to pay $9.99 for that feature only usable on mobile.
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it seems I am paying for a software that does not really account for me as a mobile user.
While there have been significant advances in mobile functionality recently, it (and in combination with the web app) does not provide all the functionality of the desktop
I don’t have a group that uses Logos, so not able to use Study Builder
Those don't necessarily go together. You could use the Study Builder to generate a set of questions for a study group - but the group itself doesn't need to use Logos
So it seems I just not use free version as there seems to be a lot of limitations for mobile users.
As above, there are limitations for mobile users. And the mobile app itself is free.
I don't quite understand when you say "I just not use free version"
Olive tree at least has something similar than Logos Insight for free where I need to pay $9.99 for that feature only usable on mobile.
These are individual decisions for each of us taking into account our needs and circumstances.
How would you summarise what you would like to to use a Bible app for?
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@Graham Criddle I don’t preach and do not have a group. But I like the study builder, if it could be improved for personal use also. For example. You study a chapter or an outline and break it up in sections. Now using study builder to ask questions about the text and if it could then create a notebook for the study builder document, and the questions and answers could have the notes tool and be able to anchor them to scripture. What is also useful for me is using insights to get answers to the questions and using passage list for cross reference and being able to add the passage list and clippings with links in the study builder. This way all your study and documents are in one place accessible without searching for documents.
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Hi @Lukas
I don’t preach and do not have a group
Thanks for clarifying
You study a chapter or an outline and break it up in sections
Presumably you would make notes on this in the Notes Tool somewhere?
Now using study builder to ask questions about the text
I see how that works and how you can write your answers to those question in the Bible Study Builder.
if it could then create a notebook for the study builder document, and the questions and answers could have the notes tool and be able to anchor them to scripture
That is where it gets slightly more difficult - the only mechanism I can see to do that at the moment is to copy them from the Bible Study Builder tool and paste them into the notes you are creating. If you did that, they could be easily anchored to scripture.
What is also useful for me is using insights to get answers to the questions and using passage list for cross reference and being able to add the passage list and clippings with links in the study builder
Understood, and these are all available on the mobile app (I have seen your separate questions about using L4 links and having to enter them manually but it looks as though that should continue to work)
So it looks as though the only thing that requires some manual work is copy / pasting from Bible Study Builder to Notes. Is that about right?
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@Graham Criddle it would be great if we could get something similar to workflow in the mobile app, and I thought that Bible Study Builder is that. But it seems it more designed for a person who is leading a study group, if I understand the comments correct. So as a mobile the user that feature seemed like an alternative for workflow from a mobile user view. But what you are saying is I must make a note for a passage and put all my questions and answers there. Is that correct. I just liked the way the study builder worked and if improved with a notes tool and anchoring it just seemed like a good organization study tool.
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@Graham Criddle maybe I am just totally misunderstanding the use of Logos.
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But what you are saying is I must make a note for a passage and put all my questions and answers there. Is that correct. I just liked the way the study builder worked and if improved with a notes tool and anchoring it just seemed like a good organization study tool.
It's the only way I can think of to take information you have written into the Bible Study Builder and have it show up in a note.
maybe I am just totally misunderstanding the use of Logos.
That is certainly possible @Lukas - is there any way we can help with that?
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Lukas, I had forgotten that you are mobile only. On the bottom right, press the hamburger icon and go down to guides. Find "passage guide" and tap it. Type in the passage you're studying and Logos will pull up your books that talk about that passage. You can do something similar by putting a passage into Factbook.
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@Lukas I would be curious to hear why you are not a desktop user (I'm not saying this is a bad thing; just curious).
Regarding mobile, it is true that Logos mobile is more limited than desktop (which is understandable when you consider the capabilities of a phone vs a desktop). However, Logos has invested significantly into their mobile app. I personally don't think you'd find a more capable Bible study app on mobile anywhere. True that you cannot use workflows on mobile, but if it's any consolation to you, I usually don't find workflows to be the best method of Bible study anyway. For me personally, workflows are more about learning how others study the Bible than about studying the Bible myself.
If you would like help learning how to study the Bible on mobile, you've come to the right place. I would recommend following the advice of @Justin Gatlin and giving passage guide and Factbook a try. If any questions come up as you navigate these features, feel free to ask them here.
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@Aaron Hamilton I would be very grateful if I can get advice and guidance. The Desktop situation is, my son is using it for school, and my work is browser only oriented, so I can do everything on the Ipad that I need to do, and financially we just cant afford a laptop just for logos purpose. So I will really appreciate all the help I can get. As it feels like I am paying for something I don't really need. I have not found the right way for doing study on mobile. It has been always been a big frustration for me. When Bible Study Builder came out I really thought, hey this is what I always wanted but it seems I misunderstood the purpose and the design of it also. So I am quite lost en a big ocean.
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I understand that you are enjoying Bible Study Builder, and for that reason I think you should continue to use it. However, it is indeed primarily intended to help create Bible studies rather than help engage in personal Bible Study. This, however, does not mean that it can not be used as a learning tool. In fact, most people learn more when they are preparing material for others than when they are only reading for themselves. You could use Bible Study Builder to create a guide for family devotional time or simply create one for yourself, choosing questions that will inspire you to engage with the text more thoroughly as you move through the Bible. As you answer those questions and complete Bible studies, they could be saved and referenced again in the future.
However, this method would best be paired with another strategy to optimize your study time. Splitting your screen would allow you to read a commentary set or study Bible while you work through a passage and answer questions generated by the Bible Study Builder. Link Sets are also incredibly helpful on mobile, setting commentaries to "Follow only" so that you don't lose your place in the Bible as you read on. Becoming comfortable highlighting and creating notes within the app while reading through the Bible and commentaries will likely aid in this process.
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@Aaron Hamilton I understand that it is meant to create Bible Studies. But unfortunately in South Africa with the people I come across, not everyone is interested in Logos and making use of this feature. So I end up trying to make use of it myself and when I do come across people that are interested I can then share with them. So my current way of trying it was Bible open, A study document, making questions based on what I see and then also the questions it has from resources in library. I then use that with a background Study Bible, Background Commentary and then my main 2 commentaries for the outline and theme guides I use the Christ Centered Exposition: Exalting Jesus and the NIV Application One Volume, and then also I create passages list for that study for cross reference and so on. I then add the passage list link in the link section of the Bible Study document, so everything is then together when needed.
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That sounds great! In this way, the Bible Study Builder functions as a tool for you that helps to provide organization and keep you engaged as you study the Bible with the other tools at your disposal. Essentially, you're creating a Bible study for yourself that you're able to provide answers to as you progress through your study.
What's this about being lost in a big ocean? It sounds to me like you're doing quite well.
For the way you use Bible Study Builder, it indeed works better for this method of Bible study than workflows would. So you're not missing out.
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