ESV 2025
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I have moved this to our forum dedicated to books and resources. If you have not done so already, this would be a great product suggestion in our book requests forum.
Sr. Community Manager at Logos.
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Not sure I'd want to pay full price for such minor changes, but those I read seemed a more natural reading - style wise at least.
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No way I’m replacing my “Permanent Text” edition 😐️
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Seems liike a ridiculously small alteration to justify a new edition.
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I can't imagine Logos not incorporating the updated version changes. They have done this before if I remember correctly.
The mind of man is the mill of God, not to grind chaff, but wheat. Thomas Manton | Study hard, for the well is deep, and our brains are shallow. Richard Baxter
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it is a measly update for sure. I went through my current copy and noted the 30-something changes.
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I'd favor Logos producing the new version. One update in 9 years isn't bad even if it costs $10 or so. No one need buy it, but I'd like to have it to keep up with what is in print.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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I prefer this to a stealth update, which is what we've gotten in the past, but the described updates aren't worth $10.
This is making me feel more confident in my drift over the last few years away from using the ESV as my default version. The text should stay fixed; minor stealth revisions cause confusion when people are trying to follow along with a previous edition.
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The text should stay fixed; minor stealth revisions cause confusion when people are trying to follow along with a previous edition.
Is this really your experience? In small groups, I'm not used to expecting everyone has the same version and for a lectio divina start for meetings, I count of people using differing translations.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Yes, specifically in larger groups, when the verse are being projected on a screen and speaker is reading aloud from a different edition. The audience is left wondering whether the speaker is deliberately modifying the text. It's not a huge problem but an unnecessary distraction.
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Ironically the most profound changes (in Genesis) revert back to the 2011 edition.
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Genesis 3:16 ?
I think they are giving in to political pressure on that. I am assuming that in 2016 they were in agreement that the change was correct, but there was a lot of negative feedback.
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@John Personally I prefer the fact that the 2011 and 2025 versions of those verses in Genesis are less interpretative and are simply a translation.
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For this type of situation, I completely agree; a stealth edit would be disruptive. This, in my opinion, is a no-brainer and should be taken care of by the person preaching/leading the Bible study, even if there is a guest speaker. I know the Bible I read primarily from is the ESV 2011 text (but we don't have a projection screen or anything at my church). However, I think the point that @MJ. Smith is making is the rest of the congregation or members of the Bible study may not have the same translation of the Bible that the pastor/leader has.
Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC
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I’d prefer an update with a flag/footnote where the changes occur
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