Heresies Explorer and dataset

Jan Krohn · 2025-02-19T12:18:27+00:00

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Heresies Explorer with overview which council condemns which teaching, which scripture passages allegedly support the heresy, which scripture passages debunk the heresy, links to council documents, list of groups, cults and denominations which historically have, or currently are holding to the heresy. Integration with Factbook, Bibles, resources on church history, confessional documents.

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DMB

I hate to even think which group defines the heresy. "Well, we all agree that … "

Jan Krohn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359023#Comment_1359023

Obviously, different groups define different heresies. That's why we need the explorer.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359023#Comment_1359023

That was part of my interest in the "unorthodox views" list which included as unorthodox views several very Eastern/Oriental Orthodox views.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359115#Comment_1359115

I just can't imagine the 'intersect' (combinatorial) composed of thousands (?) of groups' heretic lists. It's a whole lot 'cleaner', which groups depend on a reading. For example, our church viewed maybe a thousand (?) heretical beliefs, but had a limited number of key beliefs (that everyone agreed on).

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359127#Comment_1359127

Eastern/Oriental is hard to work with (nail down the way westerners like to nail down). One group I've always been impressed with, is the Montanists. For the sake of argument, they were only 50-60 years away from 'real prophets', and arguing continued prophets had some merit … for quite some time. Tertullian certainly seemed on board. Heresy!!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1359135#Comment_1359135

Part of the issue is that there are a group of churches which do not distinguish between heresy, schismatic, and mis-informed. from Perpelexity:

Creating a detailed scale of doctrinal errors is a complex task, as different religious traditions may categorize errors differently. However, I can provide a general scale that is often used in Christian theology, particularly in Catholic and Orthodox traditions. This scale moves from the most severe to the least severe errors:
Heresy
The most serious doctrinal error, involving the obstinate denial or doubt of a truth that must be believed with divine and catholic faith.
Apostasy
The total repudiation of the Christian faith, often considered as severe as heresy.
Schism
The refusal of submission to the Pope or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.
Error
A proposition that contradicts revealed truth but is not obstinately maintained.
Theological Error
A conclusion contrary to a truth proximately connected to revelation.
Temerarious Proposition
A proposition made without solid foundation and contrary to the general sense of theologians.
Offensive Proposition
A statement offensive to pious ears or that could lead the faithful astray.
Ambiguous Proposition
A statement capable of being understood in an orthodox or heterodox sense.
Imprudent Statement
A statement that, while not necessarily false, is unwise or ill-considered in its expression of doctrine.
Misinformation
Incorrect or inaccurate information about religious doctrines or practices, often spread unintentionally.
It's important to note that this scale is not universally accepted across all Christian denominations, and different traditions may have varying approaches to categorizing doctrinal errors. The assessment of doctrinal errors often depends on the specific context, the intent of the person making the statement, and the potential impact on the faith community.

DMB

Ours certainly didn't rack and stack. Much easier. We were right. Not right was not right. Open those Pearly Gates!

MJ. Smith

@DMB

Eastern/Oriental is hard to work with (nail down the way westerners like to nail down).

The Western tendency to mutilate text and experience to fit into human categorical capacity is my major concern with tools such as Logos which reinforce the Western concept that every question has an answer. I prefer an approach that emphasizes the limited capability of human thought and therefore thinks every question has answers (plural). But you've seen how far I haven't gotten on apophatic resources.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/31294/two-volume-set-on-what-cannot-be-said-apophatic-discourses-in-philosophy-religion-literature-an

https://community.logos.com/discussion/231649/a-theology-of-failure-zizek-against-christian-innocence-perspectives-in-continental-philosophy

https://community.logos.com/discussion/185878/apophatic-prayer

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