Sermon Builder is awful, please revert it back.

Josh Bernard
Josh Bernard Member Posts: 33 ✭✭
edited 4:26AM in English Forum

Logos support, we appreciate all the work you are doing. But it's quite obvious that the changes to sermon builder are not going smoothly. Please make an immediate patch to bring us back to before the last change. This is our lively hood and responsibility to feed our congregation. You are causing us more problems, and more time.

I appeal to you as fellow workers for the kingdom to do something ASAP about this. The forum is filled with people just having bugs, to disliking the new layout and formatting. I understand it's usually a loud minority of people who complain. But every pastor I know has logos and everyone I've been able to ask does not like the changes. I even have a pastor on staff who just started using the sermon editor and asked me why it did things the way it does (things you could work around or didn't happen in the last version.)

Please please reconsider these changes, add a legacy sermon builder, or just simply allow us to go back in logos versions.

Sincerely, a Pastor who doesn't have time to mess with this.

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  • Jonathan Bradley
    Jonathan Bradley Member Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭

    Josh,

    What are the issues that you are having with sermon builder that make you feel it is awful? Please read my disclaimer below.

    I ask this with some level of ignorance, partly due to the fact that I have not read all of the latest forum posts on Sermon Builder issues since v.40 dropped, and secondly due to the fact that for what I use sermon builder for, or maybe how I use sermon build would be a better way of putting it, v.40 seems to bring it back to the same functionality it had before v.39 seemed to cause all sorts of problems.

    Pastor, Mt. Leonard Baptist Church, SBC

  • Josh Bernard
    Josh Bernard Member Posts: 33 ✭✭
    edited 2:55AM
    1. It is slower. I type fast. If I am teaching on John 1:1-14 I type John 1:1-14 and press enter. I expect my reference to be there. Now you have to delay for 1-2 seconds before hitting enter.
    2. When you want to open a resource you are using it now requires 2 clicks in stead on 1 click. Just let me click once to enter the resource, let me right click for the other options. Adding more steps is NEVER the right option in programming.
    3. Formatting is much worse for one verse per line formatting. It is, for some reason, double spaced. Which means as I'm preaching it takes several page turns to get through a text instead of it all fitting nicely.
    4. Worst of all, to quote a commentary or whatever it may be, you have to paste into wordpad or a word document, then copy it back into sermon builder. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to not properly cite a source you quote, it's at the very least immoral. The old version you could simply paste after any text and it would properly cite your resource.
    5. There are other issues that other users have, there are several posts in the "update forums posts", in the feedback section, and other forum from other users.

    The biggest thing is changing work flows. We can argue about formatting, but you changed the formatting and it caused the work flow to change in relation to how fast we can work. It's now objectively and measurably slower for ALL users. This is completely unacceptable for any product let alone one that many of us have sunk thousands of dollars. The only things most many users have spent more money on than logos is housing and transportation.

  • Josh Bernard
    Josh Bernard Member Posts: 33 ✭✭

    Just found #6: Hebrew text is half the size it should be/was. So you have to choose between huge English letters or too small to read Hebrew letters.

  • Joey Midgett
    Joey Midgett Member Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    7) The copy and pasting of outlines from a sermon outline resource, you first have to copy into Word then back into Sermon Editor to be in a workable format to edit

    8) when editing outline from problem 7, when you place your cursor in the middle of a line or anywhere to say edit a word to a word you like better, once you start to type, it pastes the whole line over again and then that becomes undeletable and you have to jump through time consuming hoops to get rid of it and try to start again.

  • Joey Midgett
    Joey Midgett Member Posts: 229 ✭✭✭

    Josh, I would advise you to change the title to say "Bug" in it to get the attention of the Faithlife staff.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,516

    Actually, in the new forums it is a tag of bug that gets their attention.

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