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Matthew C Jones said:
I am not attempting to justify it but I would not call it immoral or unethical when it is in fact the norm for ALL Bible software sellers.
Matthew C Jones said:Some people may feel misled with these types of advertisements. I personally look at the bottom line
Matthew, like you I am no longer fooled by such advertising. But I still think it is just wrong to intentionally deceive, and that is what such advertising is intended to do. It may be the norm of ALL Bible software sellers, but I still know pagan businessmen who would not so deceive in their business. In fact, I am related to some. But I suppose if "everybody" does it, that makes it alright.
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Michael Childs said:
intentionally deceive
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Such advertising is commonplace and expected, no matter if you are Christian or not....
C'mon...do we have such thin skin that this sort of thing spazzes us out?
PS: I'm not sure psychically claiming that they know Logos' motives is very Christian for that matter....I can't know their intentions as they haven't said what their intentions are....
Robert Pavich
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My take on pricing has changed completely in the last few months. I was using several different bible programs, most of which I bought very inexpensively. Logos changed that forever. It's utterly transformed the way I think about study. I use other programs and have considerable print references that I've bought over many years, but nothing, absolutely nothing, can compare with what Logos provides. Some programs might be faster, some have some novel features or resources, but Logos puts the information forward in a way that is beyond any expectation I even imagined.
How do you put a price on that?
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Michael Ballai said:
My take on pricing has changed completely in the last few months. I was using several different bible programs, most of which I bought very inexpensively. Logos changed that forever. It's utterly transformed the way I think about study. I use other programs and have considerable print references that I've bought over many years, but nothing, absolutely nothing, can compare with what Logos provides. Some programs might be faster, some have some novel features or resources, but Logos puts the information forward in a way that is beyond any expectation I even imagined.
How do you put a price on that?
My thoughts exactly.
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Michael Ballai said:
...but nothing, absolutely nothing, can compare with what Logos provides. Some programs might be faster, some have some novel features or resources, but Logos puts the information forward in a way that is beyond any expectation I even imagined.
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...for me, that's the bottom line!!!
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Michael Childs said:
Matthew, like you I am no longer fooled by such advertising. But I still think it is just wrong to intentionally deceive, and that is what such advertising is intended to do.
I never felt deceived or fooled. I never even thought that was the intent. I view it more like when I invite someone to my church I only tell them the good things about it. If I told them anything bad, I would not get many prospects to visit. And as far as disclosure goes; I figure they know I attend there so it can't be perfect.
When Logos sends me an email special offer it always includes a link to the product page. That page includes not only a description but the "Suggested Retail" and the actual current selling prices prominently displayed. There is no attempt to deceive, defraud or hide the facts. It must be somewhat of a cultural thing.
I may just be condoning it because I share guilt in using the same tactics. I tell my wife what a good deal I got (percentage off) [:$] When I totaled up the current value of all my Logos resources I used actual sales prices and topped $23K. I know I'm saving real money buying with special offers because my actual layout is below $3 per title. Many of these books really do sell for $40~$80 each. So I do not feel fooled, deceived or short-changed.
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Someone who makes sense! Thoroughly enjoyable, very sensible post Matthew!
Terry Cook
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Terry Cook said:
Someone who makes sense! Thoroughly enjoyable, very sensible post Matthew!
Terry Cook
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Lol....yes...I feel the same and to my shame...i've used the same "wife tactics" also! "....C'mon hon! Look how much I saved!!!" [Y]
Robert Pavich
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Matthew C Jones said:
I never felt deceived or fooled. I never even thought that was the intent.
Of course it is a deceptive practice. When you imply a $100 dollar savings that is really a $20 savings, it's really a lie.
Most of the arguments being used to defend it are irrelevant. It is irrelevant if ALL do it. It is irrelevant that the product is wonderful. The issue is deceit, not quality.
I have learned that I can't trust Logos advertising. I have to go back to Logos.com and check what their real price is. Not everyone does that. It is effective deceit, or they wouldn't be doing it.
If you are the only ones selling a product, then the retail price is what you are charging. To imply otherwise is to deceive.
I have defended Logos in many posts, and will continue to do so. Over all, they are a very honorable company. They try to be more than fair, in my experience. That is why I am troubled by this practice of deceit. It is also why it almost worked on me.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one. This is my last post on the subject.
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I've got an important point to make.Michael Childs said:If you are the only ones selling a product, then the retail price is what you are charging.
I buy almost ALL of my Logos resources at sale prices (Community Pricing, Pre-Pubs, !2 Days, March Madness, and email offers.)
I rarely pay regular sales price (exception: the Ultimate Archaeology Collection)
Last year I tallied my library by actual selling prices, not SRP and it totaled over $???. This was before I bought 2010 Christmas Master Collection, Zondervan's Bible Reference Bundle #2, Barth's Church Dogmatics, & the Ultimate Archaeology Collection. I now have no idea what the actual selling prices would be. I can assure you I did not spend near the regular sales prices.
My point is this: If you go to Logos.com and purchase my Logos resource library today at the REAL selling price, it will cost you REAL money topping that $??? mark (closer to $??? now?) The way I figure it, I am saving REAL money by taking Logos up on the special offers & sales. I don't really care what the SRP is.
Thanks for indulging me. Now I'm waiting on the March Madness Sale. [:P]
edited out the numerical values because they aren't necessary to make my point.
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Matthew C Jones said:
dited out the numerical values because they aren't necessary to make my point.
Or maybe out of fear that some other Jones would read your post? [:D]
I understand your point, and I largely follow that path, unless it is a resource I really want. Then, I will pay as much as I believe it to be worth for me. Logos does have a 30-day return policy. I have taken advantage of it once in the last 7 years.
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I received an updated March Newswire today, with the following change:
"...Over $100 Off Retail!"
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"That’s 50% off the sale price on the website, and over $100 off the publisher list price!"
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Paul Golder said:
I received an updated March Newswire today, with the following change:
"...Over $100 Off Retail!"
and
"That’s 50% off the sale price on the website, and over $100 off the publisher list price!"
Yes, I noticed that too: three prices were given: retail, sale, and special sale. That's much better.
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[Y][Y][Y][Y][Y][Y][Y][Y][Y]Mark Barnes said:Yes, I noticed that too: three prices were given: retail, sale, and special sale. That's much better.
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Mark Barnes said:
Yes, I noticed that too: three prices were given: retail, sale, and special sale. That's much better.
ditto!!!
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tom collinge said:Mark Barnes said:
Yes, I noticed that too: three prices were given: retail, sale, and special sale. That's much better.
Thanks Logos for changing your practice; I far prefer this clarity.
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