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Theolobias said:
George,
As I said - it is a verb form which, as well as "historisch", in this specific case serves as and adjective to "Vorträge". Believe me, I'm German.
Edit: Rearranged, the book's title could be "Die historisch entwickelten gottesdienstlichen Vorträge der Juden" or "Die gottesdienstlichen Vorträge der Juden, wie sich sich historisch entwickelt haben" or "Die gottesdienstlichen Vorträge der Juden in ihrer historischen Entwicklung"
If I may illustrate in English since that is easier, "The Religious ... Historically Developed." (Capitalization as in English -- since it is English)
george
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[Y]George Somsel said:When it is necessary to mouse-over to even know that there is the possibility of moving to another page, this does not encourage the average user to continue. It may be considered "cutting edge" programming technique, but the object of posting the material is not to display one's programming expertise.
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I would suggest that they put the NEXT button next to the close button. And this is just good salesmanship, but CLOSE should not be a bigger font than NEXT. [:D]
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George Somsel said:
If I may illustrate in English since that is easier, "The Religious ... Historically Developed." (Capitalization as in English -- since it is English)
Yes, George. That doesn't change that "entwickelt" as past participle can be seen an adjective at the same time (as can all past participles in German - and in English as well, I believe!?) and is in this case used in predicate position (sorry, I'm really lost when it comes to correct English terminology here - is there an English grammar term "predicate"? - I guess you get my point) for "Vorträge". Be it as it may: small letters. [;)]
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Theolobias said:George Somsel said:
If I may illustrate in English since that is easier, "The Religious ... Historically Developed." (Capitalization as in English -- since it is English)
Yes, George. That doesn't change that "entwickelt" as past participle can be seen an adjective at the same time (as can all past participles in German - and in English as well, I believe!?) and is in this case used in predicate position (sorry, I'm really lost when it comes to correct English terminology here - is there an English grammar term "predicate"? - I guess you get my point) for "Vorträge". Be it as it may: small letters.
You may be German, but I know grammar. It is not an adjective. It is clearly a verb (and verbs aren't capitalized in German any more than adjectives are).
george
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Ok, maybe we should make a contest here. [:D] I know grammar, too (don't try to study theology along with Hebrew, Greek and Latin in Germany when you don't know your grammar ...) - so, who knows it better? I claim, as I did before, that every past participle can be used as an adjective within the German language. I could show it to you in every printed grammar. So, what have you got? [:D]
Edit: First proof - go to http://www.mein-deutschbuch.de/lernen.php?menu_id=69 (that's an German online grammar for pupils) and look for "Das Partizip II als Adjektiv." - there you have it!
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George Somsel said:
and verbs aren't capitalized in German any more than adjectives are
There's one exception, of course: Gerund.
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Theolobias said:
Ok, maybe we should make a contest here.
I know grammar, too (don't try to study theology along with Hebrew, Greek and Latin in Germany when you don't know your grammar ...) - so, who knows it better? I claim, as I did before, that every past participle can be used as an adjective within the German language. I could show it to you in every printed grammar. So, what have you got? Edit: First proof - go to http://www.mein-deutschbuch.de/lernen.php?menu_id=69 (that's an online German grammar for pupils) and look for "Das Partizip II als Adjektiv." - there you have it!
It actually is NOT a past participle though, as regards form, it could be. It is simply a past tense of entwickeln. He is simply claiming in his title to have developed it historically.
george
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Sorry, George, but at this stage, I really think you first have to get your German straight. [:D]
Yes, "entwickelt" is "Partizip II" in German, which is called past participle in English - since there's only one form "entwickelt" in German, it not only "could be" but "is"! [:)]
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Theolobias said:George Somsel said:
and verbs aren't capitalized in German any more than adjectives are
There's one exception, of course: Gerund.
That isn't really an exception since a gerund is a noun.
george
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Oh my goodness, please children, could you please stop this nonsense ?
Love one another, report that it needs to be changed, and open up another thread for this discussion, please !
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Pastor Andy said:
Oh my goodness, please children, could you please stop this nonsense ?
Love one another, report that it needs to be changed, and open up another thread for this discussion, please !Wait a second here - I was having fun watching the children play. [:)]
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Pastor Andy,
I think we do love one another (at least speaking for my part) - we're just discussing grammar. But, yes, we could open up another thread for this.
Of course a gerund is a noun. But it is a noun consisting of an infinitive verb form (in German: "substantiviertes Verb")
Sorry, stoppin' here. [:)]
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Theolobias said:
Pastor Andy,
I think we do love one another (at least speaking for my part) - we're just discussing grammar. But, yes, we could open up another thread for this.
Of course a gerund is a noun. But it is a noun consisting of an infinitive verb form (in German: "substantiviertes Verb")
Sorry, stoppin' here.
I agree. This isn't about any dislike for one another but simply about the syntax of a sentence title. I already stopped since we weren't getting anywhere and aren't likely to. You staked out your position, and I staked out mine. We simply don't agree.
george
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Back to the topic of the thread...this preview really excites me even further for the EEC. I'm definitely keeping my pre-order and looking forward to June 1 and December 1! I really wish there were more volumes coming sooner! [:(]
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Ron Keyston Jr said:
Back to the topic of the thread...this preview really excites me even further for the EEC. I'm definitely keeping my pre-order and looking forward to June 1 and December 1! I really wish there were more volumes coming sooner!
[Y]. Same here. I wish there were more volumes being released; like a New Testament volume. This series looks very promising In terms of depth of coverage and scholarship. I like what I have seen so far, enough to convince me that It is worth having In my library.
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George Somsel said:
I agree. This isn't about any dislike for one another but simply about the syntax of a sentence title. I already stopped since we weren't getting anywhere and aren't likely to. You staked out your position, and I staked out mine. We simply don't agree.
[B] Let's agree that we don't agree and have a Wittenbergisch beer on it, like Luther would have said!
Or, in case you abstain from alcohol, let's just shake hands (unfortunately, there's no icon for this here)."Mach's wie Gott - werde Mensch!" | theolobias.de
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[B] [B] [B] [B] [B] [B]Theolobias said:George Somsel said:I agree. This isn't about any dislike for one another but simply about the syntax of a sentence title. I already stopped since we weren't getting anywhere and aren't likely to. You staked out your position, and I staked out mine. We simply don't agree.
Let's agree that we don't agree and have a Wittenbergisch beer on it, like Luther would have said! Or, in case you abstain from alcohol, let's just shake hands (unfortunately, there's no icon for this here).Whoops, that's a whole 6-pack !
george
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I should not give you information beyond what is to be announced by Logos, but there are some good things happening later this spring and early summer.
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For those struggling to read the website, here's a PDF preview. The same files, just in an easier format for you:
As for the fonts, etc., this hasn't been typeset. When most books are published, usually the author writes the book in Word, then sends it to the publisher for editing (which also happens in Word). It's only when the book is finalised that it's properly typeset. Of course, as this is an electronic production, no typesetting is required (though tagging is needed instead). That's why it looks basic, and why the font is Times New Roman.
Incidentally, I was initially surprised by the footnote style, where the whole title of a book is repeated rather than ibid. or idem. being used (look at footnotes 17 & 18 on pg 9 of the PDF as an example). But in hindsight, the suggested format is much better for an electronic book, where scanning earlier footnotes to see what the ibid. or idem. relates to can be very annoying. I guess there'll be other small advantages in being straight to electronic we'll find over time.
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Mark Barnes said:
Incidentally, I was initially surprised by the footnote style, where the whole title of a book is repeated rather than ibid. or idem. being used (look at footnotes 17 & 18 on pg 9 of the PDF as an example). But in hindsight, the suggested format is much better for an electronic book, where scanning earlier footnotes to see what the ibid. or idem. relates to can be very annoying.
I have found this is becoming more commonplace in electronic texts because in the editing process, it's so easy to move text around and all of a sudden your "ibid"'s are wrong! Footnotes #16 just got moved after footnote #19. I think we'll continue to see more of this in the future.
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Floyd Johnson said:Pastor Andy said:
Oh my goodness, please children, could you please stop this nonsense ?
Love one another, report that it needs to be changed, and open up another thread for this discussion, please !Wait a second here - I was having fun watching the children play.
phew. I was starting to have visions of my days in Klenze Gymnasium, Deutsch Unterricht, in München.
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I am very pleased and excited about this commentary--I definitely will keep my pre-order!!
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H. Wayne House said:
I should not give you information beyond what is to be announced by Logos, but there are some good things happening later this spring and early summer.
Thanks for the "tease" [:D]
I think I'll keep my pre-order. In the vast scheme of things, $700 is not a whole lot of money.
I suspect that most people will find that it's worth at least $400, so if it turns out the pig in the poke is not all it might have been, that's only a $300 loss, which is no big deal, esp. when factored over 7-8 years. Maybe this way of doing the math will convince some of y'all to stay in if you're having doubts. [H]
Optimistically Egalitarian (Galatians 3:28)
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Eric Weiss said:
I suspect that most people will find that it's worth at least $400, so if it turns out the pig in the poke is not all it might have been, that's only a $300 loss, which is no big deal, esp. when factored over 7-8 years. Maybe this way of doing the math will convince some of y'all to stay in if you're having doubts.
What's that? Obama math?
george
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Hello everyone,
I've enjoyed reading the comments concerning the preview of the Ezra commentary. Please keep the feedback coming! I can't wait to read the comments once the entire commentary is published.
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how nice that the author stopped by. Thanks for commenting! From what I read, you did a great job!
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I certainly like what I see and am excited about the set!! [:D]
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Israel Loken said:
Hello everyone,
I've enjoyed reading the comments concerning the preview of the Ezra commentary. Please keep the feedback coming! I can't wait to read the comments once the entire commentary is published.
I'm definitely looking forward to getting to read your entire commentary Dr. Loken [:)]
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Just a few pages of preview of one book still couldn't justify for paying so much money $$ in advance for few years!
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