Rumor Heard on 2 May Regarding Phase Out of KJV Publication

I heard a rumor on Monday and I would hope it really is not true, but the gist of this was that the KJV is being phased out and soon it will no longer be published.

I hope this is not true but other "rumors" have come to pass so I really would like to know if there is any truth to this at all as IMHO there are too many reference books that are tied to the KJV.

15 years ago I heard rumors of Gas in the USA costing $4/gallon and that sure came true so..

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Wes Saad

Odd rumor, but certainly untrue.

Rick

I just looked at the copyright information for the KJV and my thoughts were correct. This is public domain so I would think that that there are several publishers. Maybe just some publishers have decided to cancel publishing?

With as many people who use the KJV as their primary/only version I would think that a company would continue publishing simply for the profit. Thinking from a business perspective: Less publishers + same amount of people desiring the version = higher price = higher profit margin.

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246017#Comment_246017

Peace to you, Painfree! *smile*

I hope you are truly "painfree," at the same time recognising that pain might even possibly be a blessing at the right time in the right way.

What a very strange rumour that is. Cannot possibly be true! I've never heard the likes of it!

Since we humans love rumours so much, could you fill us in a bit? *smile*

Very interesting...........

Mike Childs

The KJV will be published for centuries to come. The market for it remains huge. It is still one of the best sellers in any Christian book store. Too many other resources are tied to it.

Not to worry.

Edwin Bowden

I heard a rumor on Monday and I would hope it really is not true, but the gist of this was that the KJV is being phased out and soon it will no longer be published.

Beware of rumors.

The KJV will be published as long as there are people buying it.

What may have been the basis for the rumor was that the NIV (1984 edition) and the TNIV are no longer being published. They have been replaced by the NIV 2011 edition. Both are still called the New International Version. You have to check the copyright date to know which edition you have.

Jonathan Pitts

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246063#Comment_246063

Isn't this the best-selling book ever? Why would any publisher want to drop it?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246117#Comment_246117

Monday, Logos posted this on its Facebook page: "Happy 400th anniversary of the KJV! Praise God for all He’s done through this incredible translation of His Word!" (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/BibleSoftware/posts/218067374872503)

Hardly likely that there's any basis of truth in this rumor you heard on the same day as the 400th anniversary of the KJV. Perhaps someone with a grudge against "KVJ-only" folks was trying to provoke them and started the false rumor.

There have been many editions of the KJV. It might just be that some one edition which was only still being published by one publisher might be dwindling in popularity and thus being phased out. But there's no way the KJV as a version (which has multiple editions and many publishers) will stop being published any time in the near future.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246117#Comment_246117

Some publisher(s) might want to drop it but there is at least one church that does their own publishing that will keep going it as it is the official Bible of the church.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246024#Comment_246024

This is public domain

I think that the copyright is technically still valid and owned by Queen Elizabeth although I haven't heard of her suing for breach of copyright. As long as English literature is taught there will be a demand for KJV at least in its early forms.

Matthew C Jones

I heard a rumor on Monday

Monday was the 400th anniversary of the publication of the KJV. Funny rumor. (As they said about handguns in Oklahoma, they can say about the KJV; "They can have my King James Bible when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!" [8o|] )

Seriously though, Many publishers have dropped the KJV from their Bible lines. At my local Mardel's (Christian book store) the Bible salesman said most publishers have severely cut back on their KJV offerings. I bought a KJV Nelson Signature Bible in calfskin with a lifetime warranty. The pages separated from the binding. When I inquired to replace it I discovered they don't offer KJV anymore. (So much for the warranty!)

I suppose if you own the copyright to the NIV (or other modern translation) you would not want to have the beautiful KJV around competing for readership. In pioneering America it mattered little how beautiful a bride-to-be was so long as she was the only eligible girl in town. [:D]

Rick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246146#Comment_246146

I think that the copyright is technically still valid and owned by Queen Elizabeth although I haven't heard of her suing for breach of copyright.

Hi MJ, you are quite possibly correct. I have heard the very same thing in the past but I'm not sure exactly how copyrights work (can they be renewed etc.?). I just got the "public domain" information from the information button on the resource.

Just out of curiosity, can anyone inform me if copyrights can be renewed or is the reason that we see so many public domain sources in community pricing simply because the owner of the copyright has deceased or simply did not renew? How long does a copyright last? I have seen web sites that discuss "fair use" and things like that but not the answers to my above questions.

Thanks.

EDIT: My questions may be mute if the laws vary from country to country.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246202#Comment_246202

In most of the world the Authorized Version has passed out of copyright and is freely reproduced. This is not the case in the United Kingdom where the rights to the Authorized Version are held by the British Crown under perpetual Crown copyright.

from Wikipedia

Rick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246219#Comment_246219

Thanks MJ. Smith [Y]

Steve Clevenger

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246228#Comment_246228

The KJV is the #2 selling Bible, see link below.

http://www.cbaonline.org/nm/documents/bsls/bible_translations.pdf

Edwin Bowden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246151#Comment_246151

Seriously though, Many publishers have dropped the KJV from their Bible lines. At my local Mardel's (Christian book store) the Bible salesman said most publishers have severely cut back on their KJV offerings. I bought a KJV Nelson Signature Bible in calfskin with a lifetime warranty. The pages separated from the binding. When I inquired to replace it I discovered they don't offer KJV anymore. (So much for the warranty!)

Apparently I misunderstood your post. I see that Nelson lists the KJV Signature Bible as being not available now, but they do have other KJV styles. I first thought that you meant that Nelson was no longer publishing the KJV. I found that they still have a listing of several styles.

http://www.thomasnelson.com/consumer/dept.asp?dept_id=19800&parent=190850&TopLevel_id=190000&category=King_James_Version

I sold Bibles in Christian bookstores for 10 years and was a rep for several Bible publishers to Christian bookstores for 12 years. I can assure you that the publishers will continue to publish product with sufficient market demand. I think you can look at all major Bible publishers' lists and find KJV Bibles for sale.

I did a little browsing and found that Cambridge is introducing a new line KJV Bibles with the first new typesetting in a half century. Fine quality Bibles.

http://www.cambridgebibles.com/ME2/Audiences/dirmod.asp?sid=0477683E4046471488BD7BAC8DCFB004&nm=&type=PubCom&mod=PubComProductCatalog&mid=BF1316AF9E334B7BA1C33CB61CF48A4E&AudId=116B299113AB4B03B40CDA7EB43417EC&tier=2&TierId=2730F71F8806468BB1BBFEA86BC711BC

BTW--For people that appreciate the beauty of a well produced Bible, there's a blog designed just for you:

http://www.bibledesignblog.com/

I would love to have some of the beautifes described in this blog.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246329#Comment_246329

http://www.bibledesignblog.com/

I would love to have some of the beautifes described in this blog.

Thanks Edwin. There is just something wrong about coveting a Bible! [6] My Nelson Signature in calfskin is another of those "delicious" bindings. Sorry I mislead anyone, Nelson just did not have any more KJVs in that specific binding. I could settle for a pew Bible. [:D]

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246151#Comment_246151

I bought a KJV Nelson Signature Bible in calfskin with a lifetime warranty. The pages separated from the binding. When I inquired to replace it I discovered they don't offer KJV anymore. (So much for the warranty!)

Try this website http://www.leonardsbooks.com/what-we-can-do/bible-care-pages/bible-rebinding/ Perhaps you can get your present Bible repaired.

Edwin Bowden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246151#Comment_246151

I bought a KJV Nelson Signature Bible in calfskin with a lifetime warranty. The pages separated from the binding. When I inquired to replace it I discovered they don't offer KJV anymore. (So much for the warranty!)

Reminds me of a friend that bought a lifetime membership at a gymn. When it closed up, he realized that "lifetime", in that case was their lifetime, not his. [:(]

BTW--you might contact Nelson directly and see if that offer some other solution to your problem.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246416#Comment_246416

Reminds me of a friend that bought a lifetime membership at a gymn. When it closed up, he realized that "lifetime", in that case was their lifetime, not his.

I bought a lifetime membership to eBible.com a while back. I wonder how long their lifetime is going to be with Logos around. I never use eBible anyway -- I just subscribed to it for their cool memorization tool. Wish Logos would do one like that.

Jack Caviness

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246416#Comment_246416

I bought a KJV Nelson Signature Bible in calfskin with a lifetime warranty. The pages separated from the binding. When I inquired to replace it I discovered they don't offer KJV anymore. (So much for the warranty!)

Reminds me of a friend that bought a lifetime membership at a gymn. When it closed up, he realized that "lifetime", in that case was their lifetime, not his.

Upon reading the fine print, you will discover that most "Lifetime Warranties" mean the lifetime of the product, which is something decided by the manufacturer. They may or may not tell you what that life expectancy is.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246435#Comment_246435

They may or may not tell you what that life expectancy is.

Surely Nelson expected the $150 Bible to last more than 16 months. My wife typically wears out her Bible every year. Mine usually last 3x longer.

Going digital in Logos, my Bible will now outlive me & my grand kids. (I just wish it were thumb-indexed)

SteveF

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246458#Comment_246458

Going digital in Logos, my Bible will now outlive me & my grand kids. (I just wish it were thumb-indexed)

(I just wish it were thumb-indexed)

Nice!

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246465#Comment_246465

(I just wish it were thumb-indexed)

Nice!

All joking aside, I would like to present a plea to all churches to welcome digital Bibles in the worship service. I have a terrible time turning those India paper pages with no feeling in my hands. And if I get there before the Pastor is finished reading the verse, I have to fumble for my bifocals to read it in the dimly lit sanctuary.

I promise not to watch the Super Bowl or enter bids on eBay during service if I am allowed to bring an iPad without fear of the Deacons ejecting me for worldliness.

(Just imagine someday using Logos passage guide to map out the Pastor's sermon as he delivers it!)

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246468#Comment_246468

All joking aside, I would like to present a plea to all churches to welcome digital Bibles in the worship service. I have a terrible time turning those India paper pages with no feeling in my hands. And if I get there before the Pastor is finished reading the verse, I have to fumble for my bifocals to read it in the dimly lit sanctuary.

Have been using my laptop to take notes on the sermon for years - insert all Scripture reading into the text - BLOW THE TEXT SIZE UP and share with those around. Also have some of the same texts that the speaker uses and insert / share those also. One of our younger members has read the Scripture reading off his phone. After church the pastor has referred people to me that used different versions and got lost. [it sometimes takes awhile to show that they all say the same (most of the time)]

[{have to fumble for my bifocals to read it in the dimly lit sanctuary - lighted magnifiers help - try google}]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246468#Comment_246468

all churches to welcome digital Bibles in the worship service.

some churches emphasize the spoken word not the written word in worship services - all those computer generated voices would be a cacophony of distraction. [;)]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246504#Comment_246504

some churches emphasize the spoken word not the written word in worship services - all those computer generated voices would be a cacophony of distraction.

In responsive readings having computer voices reading in 22 different versions would sound like Acts 2, wouldn't it? [:O]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246515#Comment_246515

In responsive readings having computer voices reading in 22 different versions would sound like Acts 2, wouldn't it?

[Y]

James W Bennett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/246515#Comment_246515

some churches emphasize the spoken word not the written word in worship services - all those computer generated voices would be a cacophony of distraction.

In responsive readings having computer voices reading in 22 different versions would sound like Acts 2, wouldn't it?

rotfl

Giovanni Baggio

Don't care about the rumor, I already own it in Logos, so it doesn't matter what they choose to do with it; I only use it for reference anyway. There are superior versions than the KJV to worry about it desapearing....and now, the KJV is not the # 1 selling product in christian book stores as someone stated.

Now the gas price, it's a no brainer, common sense demanded for gas prices to go up.

Dr. Charles A. Wootten

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247231#Comment_247231

Not really changing the subject, but the latest issue of Christianity Today has a great article by Mark Noll entitled "A World Without the KJV." Well written and well worth reading. The new management at Christian History Magazine sent me Issue #100 not long ago on the topic of the 400 years that the KJV has been around.

Enjoy!

{charley}

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247511#Comment_247511

Peace to you, Charley! *smile*

Thanks for those two links. Perused both and will enjoy sitting down later today and 'relishing' them!

BTW, it has been quite a number of years since I personally have heard the King James referred to as The Saint James Bible! *smile*

Jerry M

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247516#Comment_247516

Gee, since there isn't any widespread use of a single translation anymore, perhaps someone could write a program that allowed us to scroll through the text comparison tool and pick the verses we wanted to include in our personal translation and then produce it with the new PBB tools. Then we could maintain the beauty of KJV in key passages, the clarity from the ESV in certain passages and the cultural relevance from certain passages in the Message Bible.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247522#Comment_247522

pick the verses we wanted to include in our personal translation and then produce it with the new PBB tools.

You might want to drop to the phrase level - sometimes picking parts of a verse from here and the next part from there will work better. [and the verse breaks are not God inspired] [Try it - keep track of where the phrase comes from and then see which Bible version you really like! But be fair - if any version would do for a phrase use ANY as the version. If A or B then record both - will get wrong count of phrases but will get good count on what you pick]

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247511#Comment_247511

"A World Without the KJV." Well written and well worth reading.

Thank you for the link. Interesting article but it has an almost revisionist agenda. Certain conclusions are attributed to the KJV that have other causes,

ie: "Defenders of slavery were expert at quoting passages that showed Abraham holding slaves, Paul sending Onesimus back to his owner Philemon, and many more. These passages regularly trumped efforts to use biblical reasoning" - p4 2nd paragraph under Problems Across the Atlantic

Slavery is recorded in the Bible no matter what version you read. (So is polygamy, homosexuality, human sacrifice and idol worship.)
If Abrahm was merely a CEO of his tribe I doubt he could persuade all his male "servants" to be circumcised.
The Portuguese were the biggest slave traders of the time and they did not read the KJV.
Slave trade continued in South America (Does the Vulgate or Douay-Rheims condone slavery?)
Yes there were Memluks during Bible times And there were Semitic slaves and so on. All races need redemption.

ie: "When nativist groups twisted his request into a charge that the pope wanted Scripture removed from Philadelphia schools, rioting broke out and lasted off and on for almost two months." -top of p5

Notice his request had to be "twisted" to incite the public outrage. Proof that the issue was not over versions but banning Bible reading in general.
Hatred is not a "version" issue, it is a sin problem Even Martin Luther and several Popes harbored hatred for the Jews

. ie: "In 1859... An assistant to the principal bloodied Whall's hands with a rattan stick.."

in 1859 rebellion to authority would result in corporal punishment regardless of whether the school was Catholic or Protestant.

[:P]My first knee-jerk, reactionary impulse to the article's title, "A World Without the KJV" was to quip, "Don't worry, when Jesus comes back for his church, he will take his Bible with him."[:P] -- for those who don't recognize it, this line is a bad joke.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247548#Comment_247548

Slave trade continued in South America (Does the Vulgate or Douay-Rheims condone slavery?)

Joshua 9 The Gibeonite Deception
26 So Josue did as he had said, and delivered them from the hand of the children of Israel, that they should not be slain.
27 And he gave orders in that day, that they should be in the service of all the people, and of the altar of the Lord, hewing wood, and carrying water, until this present time, in the place which the Lord hath chosen.
The Holy Bible, Translated from the Latin Vulgate, ((also known as DRV))

[Yes, miss-reading this can been seen as OK-ing slavery - But so say all the other versions]

Milford Charles Murray

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247603#Comment_247603

Peace to my Logos Forums Brothers and Sisters!

And AlwaysJoy in the Lord!

Hopefully you won’t mind my posting this on this thread. *smile*

Logos has just released The Complete Works of Shakespeare. I am very grateful to Logos for this and indeed relish this resource.

As I was perusing this thread, I remembered that one of the interesting things about Psalm 46 to me is about the possibility that William Shakespeare was one of the translators of the original Hebrew into King James English.

Here it is in the KJV: The secret code is that "Shake" is 46 words from the beginning and "spear" is 46 words from the end... Whether this is really so – in fact! -- we do not and will never know for sure! *smile*

¹ God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. ² Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; ³Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah. ⁴There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High. ⁵ God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.

⁶ The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. ⁷ The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah. ⁸ Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth. ⁹ He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire. ¹⁰ Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. ¹¹ The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge.

Found this on the web: (from an author who disputes this) Amazing! Incredible! Unbelievable! William Shakespeare left his mark on the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible. At least that is the rumor going around. According to a host of Websites and books, William Shakespeare was called upon to add his artistic touch to the English translation of the Bible done at the behest of King James, which was finished in 1611. As proof for this idea, proponents point to Psalm 46, and allege that Shakespeare slipped his name into the text. Here is how the story goes. Since Shakespeare was born in the year 1564, then he would have been 46 years old during 1610 when the finishing touches were being put on the KJV. In the King James Version, if you count down 46 words from the top (not counting the title) you read the word “shake,” then, if you omit the word “selah” and count 46 words from the bottom you find the word “spear.” Voilà! Shakespeare must have tinkered with the text and subtly added his signature. How else could one account for all of these 46s to work out so well? To top it all off, William Shakespeare is an anagram of “Here was I, like a psalm.”

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/247626#Comment_247626

[:D] You never cease to make me smile. Thanks.

I suppose some of the promoters of this would say God put it in there along with the Torah codes.