NASB Paragraph Formatting
Is there any way to get my NASB95 to be paragraph formatted? As it is, it separates each verse as a paragraph, but I would really like to have the normal paragraph formatting like it is in my Bible, or even as it is shown on BibleGateway.com
I was also thinking if it is too difficult to change the current NASB95 that everyone might have, to be able to offer the current NASB95 as a 2 volume instead of a single. Then this update would be propagated to those who currently own NASB95. I would imagine that this wouldn't be that difficult of a transition since the current NASB95 has the paragraphs marked by Bold Verse indicators.
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Ryan Hamre said:
I was also thinking if it is too difficult to change the current NASB95 that everyone might have, to be able to offer the current NASB95 as a 2 volume instead of a single.
The resource formatting cannot be changed in L4; and I doubt an alternative version would be produced simply for readability concerns.
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It would seem to me that it would be a pretty simple development. Since the sections in the resource already have the paragraph breaks noted, then wouldn't you do a massive, delete all paragraph breaks, and then insert paragraph break after bold verse number, and then finally unbold verse number?
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Ryan Hamre said:
It would seem to me that it would be a pretty simple development.
I suspect that it would require additional licensing to produce the resource in a different format.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I don't see how this is a big change, or one that requires additional licensing.
If someone simply had the complete NASB text and Microsoft Word, one could do a one-liner find and replace to insert paragraphs and unbold verses. All of this would take under a single hour. I'm very sure that Libronox books are at a much higher complexity than a simple Microsoft Word document, but it is still text and tags at the highest level. It leads me to believe that a programmer can 1-liner this change in a very very short amount of time.
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Ryan Hamre said:
I don't see how this is a big change, or one that requires additional licensing.
Generally a license is to produce a resource as it is in it's original form - not adding comments, changing structure etc. Logos has mentioned several times that they can't even change metadata for consistency within Logos because they license rather than own the data.
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I still want this... just FYI.
So if someone wants to really go the extra mile, it would be appreciated.
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Ryan said:
I still want this... just FYI.
So if someone wants to really go the extra mile, it would be appreciated.
It appears you can do it yourself for free if you follow this post and format it as a Personal Book; you just need to update to the 4.3 beta to do this.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:Ryan said:
I still want this... just FYI.
So if someone wants to really go the extra mile, it would be appreciated.
It appears you can do it yourself for free if you follow this post and format it as a Personal Book; you just need to update to the 4.3 beta to do this.
I don't think any reproduced PBB Bible is going to be as reliable, streamlined, and functional as what is released by Logos Bible Software. That being said, I don't understand why putting the bible in paragraph format would fall on my shoulders anyway.
In my library of Bibles, the only Bibles I have in NASB is a pre-95 edition. I don't understand why this would be in non-paragraph format.
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Ryan said:
I don't think any reproduced PBB Bible is going to be as reliable, streamlined, and functional as what is released by Logos Bible Software.
On what do you base that? Have you attempted a PB bible?
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Ryan said:
I don't see how this is a big change, or one that requires additional licensing.
It is my understanding the the NASB does not distinguish paragraph breaks, but is in the tradition of the KJV. I know that Zondervan sells NASB bible's in paragraph form. If my first premise is correct, than a separate license would be required to use the Zondervan text. Currently, this is NOT the text that Logos is using. Notice the two screen shots below:
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Ryan said:
I don't understand why this would be in non-paragraph format.
As I stated before, the NASB base text is not in paragraph form. It follows the KJV as line by line.
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So then what you're saying is that a request should be made for a new NASB Bible license that is in Paragraph spacing?
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Actually, the NASB does have "paragraph" information. The bold verse number marks a new paragraph. The version that WORDsearch has is from the Lockman Foundation & has paragraph formatting. Plus, my print Bible is from Cambridge & has paragraph formatting, with no Zondervan copyright, just the Lockman one. [:)]
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I just want my NASB Bible in Logos to have Paragraph spacing. I know it's there in Logos represented by the Bold Numbers... and it would be simple for Logos to programmatically build a new NASB with paragraphs, but between all the previous replies, no one has given any indication of movement on this at all.
There's a reason virtually NONE of the new Bibles being manufactured are verse by verse...
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Ryan - It seems to me like you are complaining because your vanilla ice cream isn't chocolate. The NASB translators wanted to de-emphasize the paragraph breaks. If you don't like that, switch to another translation. Might I recommend the ESV?
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Actually it seems that I'm a customer, who has invested thousands of dollars in Bible software, that sits and studies God's word, with a physical Bible next to my computer, because of ease of readability instead of a half a chapter taking up the full height of a 21" monitor on max resolution.
I'm willing to pay for it, as I'm sure many other are, as I'm sure you're aware of current physical Bibles, and the great difficulty that it actually is in finding a paragraph formatted NASB.
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Ryan said:
If someone simply had the complete NASB text and Microsoft Word, one could do a one-liner find and replace to insert paragraphs and unbold verses.
I'm showing my ignorance here, but what is a "one-liner find and replace"?
Thanks.
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Ryan - I hope Logos is able to accommodate you, but I would not get my hopes up. It would seem to me that there is a licensing issue, and also a lack of interest. Otherwise, there would not be (in your words):
Ryan said:the great difficulty that it actually is in finding a paragraph formatted NASB.
Either the demand is not there, or there is a resistance on behalf of the copyright holders. Either way, my guess is that you might be waiting a while. [:(]
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Ronald Quick said:
I'm showing my ignorance here, but what is a "one-liner find and replace"?
A "one-liner find and replace" would be where you would take characteristics of the document, and based on the desired search and whatnot... do a bulk scan over the entire contents and replace accordingly.
So for their version of the NASB, they would do a search for the contents of the bold Verse numbers, and replace the verse number with an unbold, but then insert the programmatic syntax of a Logos Book "carriage return".
It's basically a big find and replace.
If you're familiar with SQL, it would be a SQL query.
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Ryan - Since you seem to know what you are doing with these searches [I wouldn't know what to do!], have you thought about building your own personal book using PBB?
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alabama24 said:
have you thought about building your own personal book using PBB?
I am not Ryan, but I can testify that it takes quite a while to build a good version of this. I like having it, but would have much rather bought it. And we can't legally share it without the publishers permission. I use the NASB almost exclusively so I wanted a NT in paragraph form. See for yourself how nice it is to read with everything stripped out.
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I believe that I'm pretty quick at building personal books, and I'm alright with computers, but doing a couple hundred page book to my liking takes a couple hours. A normal book comes nowhere close to the complexity of a Bible...
If I had the docx of the NASB that logos uses, I think that I could, within a day, have a paragraph spaced NASB. If I had to start with just text, and convert to Logos, would take more time than I am willing to invest, and it would make more financial sense to purchase it instead of build my own.
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Still interested in this... I'm willing to pay for it.
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The original NASB 1977 is available in Logos, and is paragraph formated.
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'95 update was a pretty big update, I would greatly prefer this version.
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Ryan said:
In my library of Bibles, the only Bibles I have in NASB is a pre-95 edition. I don't understand why this would be in non-paragraph format.
Logos offers the 1977 NASB with paragraph formatting => The New American Standard Bible, 1977 edition that does not have reverse interlinear tagging.
Looking at a printed 1995 NASB, all verse numbers appear vertically aligned near the left margin, which is easy for quick visual scan to find verse number.
Ryan said:I don't think any reproduced PBB Bible is going to be as reliable, streamlined, and functional as what is released by Logos Bible Software.
Concur. Thankful for Logos 4 Text Comparison, which can be done chapter by chapter to verify spelling. Files forum has => American Standard Version 1901 - Personal Bible without Chapter and Verse #'s
Note: the New American Standard Bible (NASB) is a revision of the American Standard Version.
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Ryan said:
'95 update was a pretty big update, I would greatly prefer this version.
Suggest email to Logos product suggestions => http://www.logos.com/about/contact with reference to this thread. Since Logos has a quick way to navigate to verses, perhaps the Lockman Foundation would allow a paragraph formatted NASB 1995 edition for Logos use, which does not require "modern" vertically aligned formatting of the verse number by the left margin. Also, Logos has "Bible Text Only" option, which can vertically align verse numbers in all Bibles.
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Ryan said:
In my library of Bibles, the only Bibles I have in NASB is a pre-95 edition. I don't understand why this would be in non-paragraph format.
Logos offers the 1977 NASB with paragraph formatting => The New American Standard Bible, 1977 edition that does not have reverse interlinear tagging.
I meant to say "In my library of Bibles, the only Bibles I have in NASB that don't have paragraph formatting is a pre-95 edition. I don't understand why the 95 updated in Logos would be in non-paragraph format."
Haste on my part... and I apologize for the confusion.
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Ryan said:
In my library of Bibles, the only Bibles I have in NASB that don't have paragraph formatting is a pre-95 edition.
Wonder if verse numbers are vertically aligned ?
After looking at five printed 1977 NASB Bibles and three 1995 NASB Bibles, noticed all of them have vertically aligned verse numbers. Paragraph formatting allows verse number to appear anywhere. Hence, personally a bit surprised by Logos 1977 NASB => The New American Standard Bible, 1977 edition having paragraph formatting that does not match hard copy pages. Thankful can check "Bible Text Only" in Logos 4 if want to see verse numbers vertically aligned.
Concur with desire for removal of vertical verse number alignment in NASB 1995; actually would prefer option to not show chapter and verse numbers that do not appear in original language manuscripts. The Greek New Testament did not have any chapter and verse numbers. Also, verse numbering does not correspond with sentence boundaries. For example, Ephesians 1:3-14 is one longish Greek sentence.
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Ryan said:
I meant to say "In my library of Bibles, the only Bibles I have in NASB that don't have paragraph formatting is a pre-95 edition. I don't understand why the 95 updated in Logos would be in non-paragraph format."
It is my understanding that the "non-paragraph" format comes from the translators as a philosophical/translation issue… I do know that Zondervan has published the NASB95u in a paragraph format. My guess is that this is a licensing issue.
EDIT: I re-read through this thread and see we've spoken before… [:)] I am not opposed to Logos providing this… I am just trying to answer why it was done this way. [I cannot think of a single reason Logos would have done this intentionally unless it came down from the publisher / translators.]
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If it is a licensing issue, then it is my wish that they acquire the license so people can purchase the paragraph format, if it is not a licensing issue, then they should quickly and easily create a paragraph formatted version.
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Ryan said:
if it is not a licensing issue, then they should quickly and easily create a paragraph formatted version.
It would not be quick nor easy.
This is an important issue to you. Send Bob an email.
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Ryan said:
Is there any way to get my NASB95 to be paragraph formatted?
Logos 7 work around is using Discourse features (Greek) to show segment structure (blue words in left margin) plus can show words moved for emphasis (word spelling reflects grammatical usage). Background information is grey.
Discourse Datasets and Visual Filters were included in 6.12 release for Logos Now.
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Logos 7 work around
There is no need for a work around. The NASB95 uses bold verse numbers to indicate paragraphs.
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Ryan said:
I just want my NASB Bible in Logos to have Paragraph spacing. I know it's there in Logos represented by the Bold Numbers... and it would be simple for Logos to programmatically build a new NASB with paragraphs, but between all the previous replies, no one has given any indication of movement on this at all.
There's a reason virtually NONE of the new Bibles being manufactured are verse by verse..
Visual filter that hides chapter and verse number leaves each verse starting on a new line. Awesome would be combination of NASB 95 verses into paragraphs when chapter and verse numbers are not being displayed.
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Hey Ryan,
Good news! Per Logos: "We updated NASB95 so that it has paragraph formatting. We're planning on pushing the update out on Tuesday (5/30).
For those who preferred the one verse/one line formatting we'll still have a visual filter that allows you to switch to one verse/one line formatting."
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Great to see the Logos response to users.
Ryan, did this update happen? I don’t see it on my iPad.
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Its on my ipad- been available for a while
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In response to the need of all users, there are two version of the NASB95 available as separate resources:
The original version which is some user actually prefer to work with the verse by verse format as part of their bible study routine:
https://www.logos.com/product/308/the-new-american-standard-bible-1995-update
And a new paragraph formatted version which others prefer:
https://www.logos.com/product/145179/the-new-american-standard-bible-1995-update
They are separate resources so make sure you are accessing the new resource if you want to read in paragraph format rather than the old file.
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Ahh...., that’s what I was missing (The second version of it). Thanks very much. Downloaded now, looks great!
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