NIV 84 and NIV 11

My church uses the NIV 84 version, and would like to use it for my Logos research, but I just upgraded to Logos 4 this Spring and did not get the NIV 84.

Is there anyway to purchase this?

If not, is there any timeline on the Reverse Interlinear for the NIV 2011? I cannot even do Sympathetic Highlighting in the new NIV!

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Ted Hans

Is there anyway to purchase this?

NIV 84 version http://www.logos.com/product/8786/new-international-version

Jerry Fourroux

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301054#Comment_301054

Thank you, Ted! How did I miss this?

PTL for the forums! Should have done this much sooner!

JT (alabama24)

Jerry - In addition to the link that Ted gave you (Thanks Ted - I couldn't find it!) I thought I would fill in a little more info. First, (just to let you know), the NIV84 was pulled from base packages per Zondervan's request:

At Zondervan’s request, we’ve replaced the TNIV and NIV (1984) with the new 2011 NIV. The license is included, and the file is just about finished. It will automatically download as soon as it’s ready.

If you purchase the NIV84, you should be aware that the Reverse Interlinear will not be included, (once again, per Z's request). As far as the NIV2011 RI, we have not been given any time table. Sorry!

Jerry Fourroux

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301061#Comment_301061

Now, I have to figure out if $26 is worth no reverse interlinear and not useable on my iPad.
If I already have an e-copy of a book can I make that a personal book in Logos? I mean is that legit?

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301223#Comment_301223

Jerry - Copyright laws vary from country to country, but a good rule of thumb is that if you have to break copy protection measures set in place, it would be illegal.

Jerry Fourroux

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301224#Comment_301224

That should be a problem because I would have no idea how to do that.

NB.Mick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301223#Comment_301223

If I already have an e-copy of a book can I make that a personal book in Logos? I mean is that legit?

It depends on the applicable jurisdiction (which may be the place where you live - or else) and in some cases maybe on whether you use this book for private or for business purposes. This is a complex area since copyright laws differ widely and whether something as "fair use" or a right to a "personal copy" or a "backup" is applicable to you. It also depends on the licence arrangement under which you use this other e-copy (and there may be the tricky fact that some clauses of a licence contract or EULA may be invalid for you, your jurisdiction or at all, which may invalidate these clauses, or all of the small print of the contract...). Moreover, in some cases, there are regulations that are interpreted diffently in courts than they read at first sight - and some companies put up very restrictive rules to allow them to go after real copycat businesses, but never intend to sue single users. Others do.

It seems to me that at least if you start sharing the PB or *.docx PB source of a copyrighted book, you are on the wrong side of the line.

On the other hand: creating a PB can be very time consuming, especially if the desired result is the full functionality. You may want to consider this as well in your decision, if $26 is worth it.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301260#Comment_301260

That should be a problem because I would have no idea how to do that.

Jerry - Did you mean to say "that would be no problem" (because you don't know how to do it)? Let me give an example. Many eBooks only allow you to copy a limited amount of text. Once you reach the limit, the copy function will not work. If you use a third party software to circumvent this preventative measure, you have likely broken the law.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301223#Comment_301223

BTW, I have written to Zondervan asking them to reconsider their policy with Logos about the NIV84 rev int. I suggest others do the same.

Jerry Fourroux

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301282#Comment_301282

Just bought it! I will write to Zondervan ti ask about the RI.

and yes, I have no idea how to break any code.

Just updated to iOS 5 and realized I can post on the iPad now! Makes my day

Paul-C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301311#Comment_301311

Just updated to iOS 5 and realized I can post on the iPad now! Makes my day

But, unless I'm mistaken, you won't be able to read the NIV on the Logos iOS app! [:O]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301337#Comment_301337

Paul - He's aware.

Paul-C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301346#Comment_301346

Paul - He's aware.

Very good. I wouldn't want Jerry to be disappointed.

Jerry Fourroux

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301360#Comment_301360

Irony of ironies here is that I paid for the Tecarta NIV app, the Kindle edition of the NIV, a Cambridge NIV for preaching, a Spirit Of the Reformation Study NIV, & now a Logos version all in the last four years.

Zondervan should love me![:O]

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301367#Comment_301367

Jerry - With all of your purchases, it looks like you helped them to purchase Thomas Nelson.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301367#Comment_301367

Zondervan should love me!

Their love is conditional upon you continuing to purchase [:P]

Jerry Fourroux

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301383#Comment_301383

Bought the NIV84 on Logos yesterday and today it is on my Logos app!

Well, then it was definitely a good purchase!

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301738#Comment_301738

It was all you Jerry! [:D]

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301061#Comment_301061

If you purchase the NIV84, you should be aware that the Reverse Interlinear will not be included, (once again, per Z's request). As far as the NIV2011 RI, we have not been given any time table. Sorry!

Interesting. I had the NIV (84, of course) before the 2011 version was released, and of course had the reverse IL feature. Has Logos now disabled this RIL feature in my version, or if we had it pre-2011, will we always have it?

I won't lose a lot of sleep over it; I've converted almost completely to the ESV, but I'm not sure I would love it if things I'd purchased were being disabled.

Todd Phillips

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301754#Comment_301754

if we had it pre-2011, will we always have it?

Yes, you won't lose access to resources you own. It's only unavailable to new purchasers.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301754#Comment_301754

Doc B - You should never lose a resource. If you had it, you should still have it. If you don't, contact Logos.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301754#Comment_301754

Interesting. I had the NIV (84, of course) before the 2011 version was released, and of course had the reverse IL feature. Has Logos now disabled this RIL feature in my version, or if we had it pre-2011, will we always have it?

Two things to note, besides what others have said:

First only the NIV84 has the RevInt. The NIV84 has the blue cover (the NIV2011 has a yellow cover)

Second, the NIV84 RevInt is only for the NT (as of today).

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301337#Comment_301337

You can now read NIV on iOS see forum for discussion [p]

William

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/301805#Comment_301805

First only the NIV84 has the RevInt.

This is what I thought......We will get Interlinear for 84 version when available.....just taking a long time

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/302194#Comment_302194

This is what I thought......We will get Interlinear for 84 version when available.....just taking a long time

I am not sure what you are trying to say, but to clarify:

The NIV84 no longer comes with base packages but must be purchased separately
The NIV84 does have a reverse interlinear for the New Testament, but only for those who owned it and were entitled to the RI prior to 2011.
The NIV84 does NOT have a RI for the OT, but will be made available when completed ONLY for those who owned it and were entitled prior to 2011.
The NIV84 Reverse Interlinears do NOT come with the purchase of the NIV84 module today.
The NIV84 RI's will not ever be made available to new users unless the publisher/copyright holders grant permission.
The NIV2011 is slated to get reverse interlinears for both NT & OT for those who own at least the minimal crossgrade. A time table has not been released.

William - If you owned at least a minimal crossgrade with the NIV84 prior to the NIV2011 transition, you should have the NIV NT reverse interlinear NOW (if you don't, contact Logos), and when the OT reverse interlinear is completed, you will receive it. However, if you did not own these resources before this transition, you should not expect to ever receive it.

William

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/302220#Comment_302220

Yes, that is exactly what I thought. The 84 OT will come then the 11 NT and OT......I just read your earlier post incorrectly.....New purchases will not have RI except for the 11 version. Sorry, I am famous for speaking long before brain fully engaged.