Arcing
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Wow, this is awesome! Many thanks!
Mick
You are welcome! I love promoting tracing/arcing because it has benefited me greatly.
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We can't share user-generated file yet, but Logos has said that it's on the planned features list.
I think others (e.g. Terry Cook) do it by sharing the L3 version of the file, which can be read into L4. I think there is a wiki page here http://wiki.logos.com/Loading_Logos_3_Sentence_Diagrams_into_Logos_4 explaining it.
Mick
However, my files were created in L4. Wouldn't this only work if the files were created in L3?
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We can't share user-generated file yet, but Logos has said that it's on the planned features list.
I think others (e.g. Terry Cook) do it by sharing the L3 version of the file, which can be read into L4. I think there is a wiki page here http://wiki.logos.com/Loading_Logos_3_Sentence_Diagrams_into_Logos_4 explaining it.
Mick
However, my files were created in L4. Wouldn't this only work if the files were created in L3?
Yes
Prov. 15:23
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my files were created in L4. Wouldn't this only work if the files were created in L3?
Actually, I don't know whether the sentence diagrams sync between L3 and L4. I will try later when I'm at home (or rather, at the speed this forum works, I expect someone "in the know" will chime in and answer this better than I could)
EDIT: actually someone chimed in faster than I could type my reply [:)]
Have joy in the Lord!
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I feel like such a dolt, I never even knew about this Sentence Diagramming feature. Holy smokes, this is awesome. Thanks so much for that post Si Cochran.
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I love promoting tracing/arcing because it has benefited me greatly.
Your detailed instruction is really awesome - I think it should be converted to a wiki page on Arcing as a feature of sentence diagramming. Then future users of Logos don't need to find this thread, but the information is available to refer to.
Mick
Have joy in the Lord!
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I love promoting tracing/arcing because it has benefited me greatly.
Your detailed instruction is really awesome - I think it should be converted to a wiki page on Arcing as a feature of sentence diagramming. Then future users of Logos don't need to find this thread, but the information is available to refer to.
Mick
While I have edited wikis, I have never created one. If someone would like to turn my tracing/arcing instructions into a wiki page, I would have no problem with that.
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I just stumbled upon this post while trying to make arcs in a word doc and then put them into Logos through the personal book tool! I had no idea that Logos already had the ability to arc! My problem is, that I have the Leader's Library and it does not support sentence diagramming. Does anyone know if there is a way to get sentence diagramming apart from purchasing the $300 scholars library upgrade (since all I want is the sentence diagramming tool)?
Also, the reason I wanted to get into arcing was to create a document that can passage link with an open commentary or Bible. With the sentence diagramming tool in Logos is it possible to create a huge document (containing all of the NT) and scripture link it to open resources to have it follow along?
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My problem is, that I have the Leader's Library and it does not support sentence diagramming. Does anyone know if there is a way to get sentence diagramming apart from purchasing the $300 scholars library upgrade (since all I want is the sentence diagramming tool)?
There used to be some small so-called "Addins", originally produced for Libronix / L3. These gave people the opportunity to selectively buy functionality at a very reasonable cost (some 15-20 USD, if I recall correct). I'm not sure if Sentence Diagramming was part of one of these, but I do think so. The cool thing is, buying one of these unlocked the feature not only for L3 but also for L4.
The problem is, Logos took the Addins from the website. You'd probably need to call them and ask for it.
Good Luck!
Have joy in the Lord!
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I tried emailing the Logos sales department and they just told me that I could no longer get the sentence diagramming add on individually. Does anyone know which L5 base package would come with it (preferably info on the lowest base package that does include the sentence diagramming feature. (Minimal Crossgrade?).
Also, does anyone have any info on whether this feature can scroll along with an open Bible with scripture tagging? If not, has anyone had any experience making their own personal book of Arcs that does this? How would one do something like this in MS Word?
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told me that I could no longer get the sentence diagramming add on individually
My theory, since this is a function of the software that only requires bibles, is that it would be available with Starter, Min Crossgrade or the cheaper Core Datasets.
Logos don't make this information easy to find, so they would need to confirm that if other users can't.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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I'm fairly certain it is in the basic software since L4. What version do you currently have? If L4 or L5, have you looked for it in the Documents tab? If you don't know that's where it is it is easy to miss.
I don't believe one can get it to scroll along. I don't know if anyone has tried it as a Personal Book. I would think that with the correct tagging and resource type that it would be possible.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Yep. I don't know where I got sentence diagramming, but for sure I'd never have guessed it be under 'File New'. Who'd have thought. This is Libronix, by the way. I was also surprised what else was there.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I checked, It's not under "file new" and I don't have a documents tab. I have the L4 Leader's Library, so I don't have a lot of the special tools. I followed up with Logos and they told me that the sentence diagramming tool can only be purchased as part of the Bronze L5 Base Package and up. Considering... but I can't really swing it right now.
Has anyone tried to use an outside program and import it into word to make a personal book? What I would like to eventually do is work on each book of the NT and create a PB that would scroll along with a commentary or Bible (and I don't think the sentence diagramming tool has this ability anyway). So ideally I would like to find a way to graph this out with another program (or in Word itself) and then import it to word for a PB. The trick would be getting a program that can import to word, and then also not get all jumbled in the transition from word to Logos (graphs normally do). Any ideas?...
Thanks for the help all-
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Liam,
I do all my arcing in excel. I use cell borders to create the actual arcs. I find it a very quick way to arc, and it is easy to insert and remove rows as I make mistakes. I have been doing it this way for quite a few years now. I don't know whether it would import nicely into word or not, but it might be worth a try.
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I am pretty sure it should be in the Logos 4 Minimal Crossgrade, which probably wouldn't cost you much, given that you have most of what's included.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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I did this with the diagramming tool in Logos 5 (4 would work also.); is this what you are talking about with arcing.
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Here is a good example of arcing from this video on vimeo-
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Thanks for all the responses everyone, I checked into the L4 minimal crossgrade and it does include the sentence diagramming feature. $21 beats the price of the L5 Bronze! Thanks for the heads up fgh! DavidS the arcing i'm talking about is on the second page of this post. David P., I'll have to check out excel and try it. I'm still trying to visualize how you use it. Is there any chance you can post a screen shot?
Thanks again.
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$21 beats the price of the L5 Bronze!
It does. Glad it worked out for you. But it's very disappointing that Logos' sales reps keep telling people they have to pay hundreds of dollars more than necessary.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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Here's a screen shot of an excel workbook. You can see I have the cell border tools (circled in red) in the quick access tool bar so I can quickly add borders. I also have the add row and column functions there as well.
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David,
Thanks a lot for the illustration! I started my own method similar to this:
Now the only question is how to best import this into Word for a personal book... I tried taking a screen shot but it ends up extremely small when put into logos format (even when I increase the size of the pic in excel) and I also tried stretching and enlarging the pic but then it ends up blurry. I also tried to copy and then paste into word, but when pasted to word, all the cells become reshaped to the size of whatever text is in the cell, making the whole chart seem out of proportion, some parts reallly large, and some small. It would be great if I could get it into Logos and get it to look the same as it does here in excel!
Anyone have any ideas?
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Now the only question is how to best import this into Word for a personal book
You might try installing BullZip PDF printer. Experiment with different output options. You can probably Print to the BullZip printer, change the format from PDF to PNG, and then insert that into your document. I have not tested it myself...
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I have tried using the visual filters to highlight prepositions
Hey Andy, I made this Visual Filter with help from KS4J a while back and it helps a ton when actually working through an arc. I'm no expert at arcing but this VF actually inserts a return into the text of your Bible and puts up a marker for causal, explanitory, contrastive, and inferential conjunctions. The result is very similar to the HDNT (not quite as nice of course) and sets out all of these conjunctions onto their own separate line. It also contains markers for other conjunctions that are less prominent for arcing without separating them onto a new line. I posted it to this Faithlife group that I created dedicated to Arcing:https://faithlife.com/arcing/activity. Feel free to join the group and just click on the Document Tab and get the filter. (I think it only works for L5 - so if you don't have it you should download the free version of L5!)
Hope this is helpful for anyone out there struggling with arcing!
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Hope this is helpful for anyone out there struggling with arcing!
Hi Liam,
Thanks so much for this. I look forward to trying out the visual filters.
Very much appreciated.
Andy
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I have tried using the visual filters to highlight prepositions
Hey Andy, I made this Visual Filter with help from KS4J a while back and it helps a ton when actually working through an arc. I'm no expert at arcing but this VF actually inserts a return into the text of your Bible and puts up a marker for causal, explanitory, contrastive, and inferential conjunctions. The result is very similar to the HDNT (not quite as nice of course) and sets out all of these conjunctions onto their own separate line. It also contains markers for other conjunctions that are less prominent for arcing without separating them onto a new line. I posted it to this Faithlife group that I created dedicated to Arcing:https://faithlife.com/arcing/activity. Feel free to join the group and just click on the Document Tab and get the filter. (I think it only works for L5 - so if you don't have it you should download the free version of L5!)
Hope this is helpful for anyone out there struggling with arcing!
Ok, I would like to do the same here in Hebrew for the OT. The problem is, that the Hebrew morphologies that I have do not have conjunctions like the greek. There is not an option for causal, inferance, explative etc. I have no idea how Hebrew works so I'm not sure if such a thing is possible. Does anyone who is familiar with the Hebrew have any pointers?
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davidphillips, Nice. Very imaginative use of spreadsheets.
Yours inspired me to try arcing using freeware (and multi-platform) mind mapper, Freeplane.
I tried to step through the process in a book recommended in this thread, using 1 Timothy 6.1-2. The mindmap look is close enough for me. (see below)
This technique has what I see as an advantage -- being able to put notes on the right of the verse as well as arcing on the left. You can fold notes out of the way to see only the arcing and verses. I've included a little bogus notes sample to the right of 2a.
Freeplane lets you enhance arcing by using colors and/or icons. I created the "S..." (for series) and "G" (for ground) as well as the Greek 'a' (for lexicon info). The other icons come standard with FP. It is pretty simple to add icons and colors to a map.
So far, this is the only passage I've tried. I found myself having to think in Freeplane as well as in arcing. But I found the arcing site to be similar and I never got used to those mechanics. I think I could get used to this a lot easier than the arcing site. I've been using Freeplane for a while but just never tried it for arcing. As they say, your mileage may vary.
This has the disadvantage of not being inside Logos. Of course, you can link back to Logos as you can in any program that lets you use hyperlinks.
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I know this is an older post, but I am so EXCITED to have found this out about being able to use arcing in LOGOS with the diagramming tool!!! I am still in the early learning stages of learning it from the main site, but I didn't want to keep secondary subscription in order to be able to arc on my MAC.
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A quick update on using open source Freeplane. Here are 2 tweaked versions of the original mindmap arc sample. One has the arc documentation on the left, the other on the right.
If the image is not attached to this post, it can be found at https://www.dropbox.com/s/ou6418wgj0htmxj/Bible arc sample _ 1 Tim 6.1-2.bmp?dl=0
davidphillips, Nice. Very imaginative use of spreadsheets.
Yours inspired me to try arcing using freeware (and multi-platform) mind mapper, Freeplane.
I tried to step through the process in a book recommended in this thread, using 1 Timothy 6.1-2. The mindmap look is close enough for me. (see below)
This technique has what I see as an advantage -- being able to put notes on the right of the verse as well as arcing on the left. You can fold notes out of the way to see only the arcing and verses. I've included a little bogus notes sample to the right of 2a.
Freeplane lets you enhance arcing by using colors and/or icons. I created the "S..." (for series) and "G" (for ground) as well as the Greek 'a' (for lexicon info). The other icons come standard with FP. It is pretty simple to add icons and colors to a map.
So far, this is the only passage I've tried. I found myself having to think in Freeplane as well as in arcing. But I found the arcing site to be similar and I never got used to those mechanics. I think I could get used to this a lot easier than the arcing site. I've been using Freeplane for a while but just never tried it for arcing. As they say, your mileage may vary.
This has the disadvantage of not being inside Logos. Of course, you can link back to Logos as you can in any program that lets you use hyperlinks.
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