L3 versus L4 versus L5

When Logos 5 comes out, do you guys think it's going to be a total overhaul to Logos 4, similar like how L4 was to L3? In watching vids where L3 was used, I can see the visual improvement made by L4. L4 definitely appears to be a modern day app, whereas L3 does seem a little out of date. But this makes me wonder if a total overhaul would be necessary with L5. Seems like L5 could easily be just a majorly improved version of L4 with a large number of issues fixed, old and missed tools added back in, completely new tools, new features in and improved usability with old tools, etc. Any thoughts? Anyone heard anything about what L5 might be like? If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Libronix first created like 10+ years ago, and basically just saw improved versions using the same base until Logos 4 came out? Do you think Logos 4 will be treated the same?

(By the way, all of this is just discussion. I don't know much about Logos versions before 4 at all. And I also don't have any idea or presupposition as to when I think L5 might come out. I'm just curious to see what people think... and if any employees might chime in with a few hints, lol.)

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Lynden O. Williams

Robert, I seriously doubt that L5 will be a major overhaul, like L3 was to L4. As you said, bug fixes, new features requested, etc.. Now when you are talking L6, I think that will be the one that will cause the christian and secular world to drop their jaw.

DMB

I think Lynden is correct. The big competitor weakness in Logos4 has always been 'slow'. What I didn't know until just recently was that Bob didn't want to immediately wipe out 80% of his competitors with L4. Unfortunately the expected slow demise of the competitors has been slower than expected and so Logos5 will likely also continue to be slow.

Probably you think I'm joking, but imagine a high-speed Logos, iPad/Phone etc support, in-church-services support and a library that just won't quit. Competition? Don't think so. Thankfully Bob is not as hard-hearted as Pharoah and his over-speedy army nearing the Reed Sea.

Andrew Baguley

L5 doesn't look that different to me...

https://www.logos.com/media/_faithlife/GroupPrayerList.pdf.

The main difference seems to be the integration with the Faithlife stuff.

See https://faithlife.com/whatsnext.

Ben

Interesting. I wondered why you were asking, since there hasn't been a peep about L5, that I've seen.

Robert Wazlavek

I think Lynden is correct. The big competitor weakness in Logos4 has always been 'slow'. What I didn't know until just recently was that Bob didn't want to immediately wipe out 80% of his competitors with L4. Unfortunately the expected slow demise of the competitors has been slower than expected and so Logos5 will likely also continue to be slow.

Probably you think I'm joking, but imagine a high-speed Logos, iPad/Phone etc support, in-church-services support and a library that just won't quit. Competition? Don't think so. Thankfully Bob is not as hard-hearted as Pharoah and his over-speedy army nearing the Reed Sea.

Did he give any reasons as to why? (I can speculate, but of course that would always just be speculation.[:)])

Interesting. I wondered why you were asking, since there hasn't been a peep about L5, that I've seen.

Yeah, like I said, just discussion. The furthering of technology, especially as pertains to furthering the Kingdom, interests me is all.

Todd Phillips

L5 doesn't look that different to me...

https://www.logos.com/media/_faithlife/GroupPrayerList.pdf.

What makes you think that is Logos 5? It just looks to me like a single-feature mockup based on what L4 currently looks like. Am I missing something?

Edwin Bowden

I wonder if L5 might follow Windows 8, to minimize compatibility problems.

Ben

The top of the app window says "

Logos Bible Software 5". That tipped me off that it might be Logos Bible Software 5 [;)]

Beloved Amodeo

L5 doesn't look that different to me...

https://www.logos.com/media/_faithlife/GroupPrayerList.pdf.

As for L5, don't have a clue. But getting out my and examining the proffered evidence; there is a conspicuous absence of my nemesis, "File" which has been replaced by Documents. I hope that this iteration will yield a smoother interaction with the rest of the lauded components of this powerful program...Amen

Lynden O. Williams

examining the proffered evidence; there is a conspicuous absence of my nemesis, "File" which has been replaced by Documents.

Good catch Beloved.

tom

Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5. I do expect L6 to be rewritten so that it does not use WPF (one of the main reasons why L4 is sooooooooooooooo slow).

Robert Wazlavek

Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5. I do expect L6 to be rewritten so that it does not use WPF (one of the main reasons why L4 is sooooooooooooooo slow).

What is WPF?

MJ. Smith

Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5.

And to think I interpreted Bob's statement in the reverse way: I expected to see WPF out but the user interface/processing logic to be the same.[*-)] I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Bob really meant.

tom

Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5.

And to think I interpreted Bob's statement in the reverse way: I expected to see WPF out but the user interface/processing logic to be the same. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Bob really meant.

I hope WPF is out, but I guess that we will have to wait and see.

tom

What is WPF?

Think of WPF as the development platform that Logos used to create L4. When the decision to use WPF, it looked like it was going to be around for a long time, but it has never fulfilled its potential. Now, Microsoft could be going in a different direction.

Robert Wazlavek

Think of WPF as the development platform that Logos used to create L4. When the decision to use WPF, it looked like it was going to be around for a long time, but it has never fulfilled its potential. Now, Microsoft could be going in a different direction.

So it's a software or something by Microsoft that other companies use to develop their own software? Also, what is it that makes this platform make Logos slow?

Bob Pritchett

A rough outline of Logos Bible Software history:

1991:

v1 //
platform written from scratch
v1.1
v1.5
v1.6

1995:

v2 / Logos Library System //
platform re-write
v2.1
v2.x (I forget the details!)

2001:

Libronix DLS v1 //
platform re-write
v1.x
v2
v3 (bigger deal, some internal re-writing, new configs)

2009:

Logos 4 // platform re-write
v4.x, y, z

It doesn't feel like enough time for a complete platform re-write yet... but it's been long enough that Logos ought to ship something cooler than just a few tweaks and bug fixes, right? :-)

(On the other hand, with emergence of iOS, Android, web apps, etc. it feels like we're writing "a new platform" every day!...)

Robert Wazlavek

It doesn't feel like enough time for a complete platform re-write yet... but it's been long enough that Logos ought to ship something cooler than just a few tweaks and bug fixes, right? :-)

Oooo, yay, I hope this means L5 is coming out soon! [^][^][G][G]

MJ. Smith

Thanks for posting here, Bob. I'll settle for useful OR way cool.[;)]

tom

Thanks for posting here, Bob. I'll settle for useful OR way cool.

I would rather have useful over way cool

tom

(On the other hand, with emergence of iOS, Android, web apps, etc. it feels like we're writing "a new platform" every day!...)

It feels this way because you are writing a new platform.

Stephen

L5 doesn't look that different to me...

https://www.logos.com/media/_faithlife/GroupPrayerList.pdf.

What makes you think that is Logos 5? It just looks to me like a single-feature mockup based on what L4 currently looks like. Am I missing something?

You'll notice some small differences, not to mention it say's Logos 5 in the title

fgh

Thanks for posting here, Bob. I'll settle for useful OR way cool.

I would rather have useful over way cool

Me too.

What it's actually been is long enough that we should have a bug free, complete as advertised, product that works quick and smooth on both windows and mac platforms. That we have yet to see.

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James W Bennett

Bob has said that he was not rewriting L5.

And to think I interpreted Bob's statement in the reverse way: I expected to see WPF out but the user interface/processing logic to be the same. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Bob really meant.

Hmmm... WPF being out in V5 would be a mixed blessing.

On the one hand it means we should have proper display of Syriac fonts in V5
On the other it would mean that it is highly unlikely Syriac font display would be fixed before V5

Oh well, beggars can't be choosers.

tom

Hmmm... WPF being out in V5 would be a mixed blessing.

We can only hope and pray that WPF will not be part of L5. I have a funny feeling that we are stuck with WPF until L6. I hope that I am wrong.