Learn the In's and Out's of L4

I think the learning curve is a huge challenge but there are ways to position yourself to learn from others as well as trying things in L4 and figuring out for yourself. Daily, I read through most of the posts and learn about how to use features in L4 from the growing number of early "power users" that are emerging with tips and tricks. And there is a lot of knowledge being shared about computer issues, too. Plenty of reading and viewing material already exists:

There is the Wiki. http://wiki.logos.com/

There is FAQ. http://wiki.logos.com/FAQ

And there are training videos. http://www.logos.com/videos

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TCBlack

I Vote we make this one a sticky!

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/40391#Comment_40391

Mark Barnes has an excellent video here: http://www.vimeo.com/7650659

It's on Logos 3 and Logos 4.

Steve Maling

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/40398#Comment_40398

Mark has given us a dandy video. I couldn't reach it yesterday, but it comes through superbly from Vimeo. Highly recommended!

JJ Miller

Hmm, you think there is a need for a class on using Logos 4... a beginners guide?

I am offering a non-credit 7 week course on using Bible software this Fall, specifically targeting Logos use. It will be interesting to find out how much we can actually accomplish in those 7 weeks.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167903#Comment_167903

Hmm, you think there is a need for a class on using Logos 4... a beginners guide?

I am offering a non-credit 7 week course on using Bible software this Fall, specifically targeting Logos use. It will be interesting to find out how much we can actually accomplish in those 7 weeks.

JJ

We look forward to hearing on how it works out.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167903#Comment_167903

Hmm, you think there is a need for a class on using Logos 4... a beginners guide?

Well, there is already Morris Proctor's "Camp Logos" seminars, which I believe he is working on producing as a training DVD. See his website for info: MP Seminars. He is the only official trainer sanctioned by Logos. He also sells training manuals.

There is also a former Logos employee who has made his own training DVDs on Logos 4. I can't remember his name, nor do I know whether Logos really wants us linking to his site. But you can probably find it by Googling Logos 4 training videos or something like that.

There was a Crystal Scholar QuickStart guide that Logos made available for Logos 2.1 -- still downloadable here. But as far as I know, nobody has produced any such thing for Logos 4 yet. It's a niche waiting to be filled!

Carl Bosma, of Calvin Theological Seminary, with the assistance of some of his students, wrote a very thorough Manual for Using Libronix 3.0 (Logos 3.0) which is available for purchase on Scribd but it's unfortunately obsolete now. We can hope he and his students will produce an update for 4.0. There's an interview with Prof. Bosma on Logos's blog, and they were quite impressed with his manual, even though it was unaffiliated with them. Perhaps they should engage his services to write them a top-notch manual for 4.0. [:)] EDIT: But sadly, it too would probably be obsolete by the time it comes out. (That's the problem with outsourcing all your user education materials, which has always been Logos's practice.)

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167914#Comment_167914

Hmm, you think there is a need for a class on using Logos 4... a beginners guide?

Well, there is already Morris Proctor's "Camp Logos" seminars, which I believe he is working on producing as a training DVD. See his website for info: MP Seminars. He is the only official trainer sanctioned by Logos. He also sells training manuals.

There is also a former Logos employee who has made his own training DVDs on Logos 4. I can't remember his name, nor do I know whether Logos really wants us linking to his site. But you can probably find it by Googling Logos 4 training videos or something like that.

There was a Crystal Scholar QuickStart guide that Logos made available for Logos 2.1 -- still downloadable here. But as far as I know, nobody has produced any such thing for Logos 4 yet. It's a niche waiting to be filled!

Carl Bosma, of Calvin Theological Seminary, with the assistance of some of his students, wrote a very thorough Manual for Using Libronix 3.0 (Logos 3.0) which is available for purchase on Scribd but it's unfortunately obsolete now. We can hope he and his students will produce an update for 4.0. There's an interview with Prof. Bosma on Logos's blog, and they were quite impressed with his manual, even though it was unaffiliated with them. Perhaps they should engage his services to write them a top-notch manual for 4.0. EDIT: But sadly, it too would probably be obsolete by the time it comes out. (That's the problem with outsourcing all your user education materials, which has always been Logos's practice.)

There is also the training videos on the Logos site. I don't think Logos would actually be able to keep up themselves with writing fully fledged training materials. I remember the days when you bought software and they came with a printed training manual, those days are long gone. Generally software changes to quickly and that such printed materials become obsolete. Help file in Logos have always been wanting. Though they have tried to fill the gap with the training videos online. With Logos 4 their is another string to the bow with the users themselves more involved in creating adhoc training material through the re-institution of MVPs, the introduction of these forums and the wiki. With the technology for just about anybody to create a short video or wiki page on how-to or best practice. And of course there is also the blog to communicate how-to information but this is often done in the context of advertising a new resource.

To provide effective training materials outsourcing them can work if there is some sort of subscription based update service. The old loose leaf folder type of approach can work if regular updated pages are sent out to the registered users. This could also be implemented using a subscription based web site including both video and written tutorials. The down side of this is that users still like to have something physical they can touch and feel and even make notes on as they work through it to learn how to use the software which brings us back to the loose leaf folder scenario. The downside of this is distribution to international users may not always be timely so it would be best done by pdf download.

JJ Miller

Videos? Manuals? and Camp Logos trainings? I haven't considered trying to replicate any of these.

Thanks for the responses. To clarify, I am looking to teach Logos 4 to absolute beginners in the local church.

This will be NOT LIKELY be anything that someone would want on video or in a manual. I have been a teacher for 25 years in Higher Ed (started in El Ed) and my goal is to allow lay people the opportunity to benefit from Bible Study software.

I have been to Camp Logos twice, but these are not the things that most would need help with... Camp Logos is great when you have a goodly bit of information about Biblical Studies and about Logos, and want to tweak that and get to the next level. John Fallahee's videos are also great, so I don't want to try to replicate anything that Morris or John does. Rather, I was thinking that Logos will have an appeal outside of the Seminary classroom and the pastor's study. But how to bring newbie users up to speed? How to help them use Logos for SS preparation, personal study ,prayer and devotions, etc, etc.

That is my goal... at least initially.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167940#Comment_167940

Videos? Manuals? and Camp Logos trainings? I haven't considered trying to replicate any of these.

Thanks for the responses. To clarify, I am looking to teach Logos 4 to absolute beginners in the local church.

Yeap I understood that, weren't suggesting you should go down that path, just reflecting on Rosie's comments. Its great to see you willing to do this to encourage people to use these sort of tools in their personal bible study.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167940#Comment_167940

Videos? Manuals? and Camp Logos trainings? I haven't considered trying to replicate any of these.

Thanks for the responses. To clarify, I am looking to teach Logos 4 to absolute beginners in the local church.

Sorry, I didn't mean you should try to replicate any of those. Just pointing out what's already out there (which it appears you already know lots about) so that you didn't reinvent the wheel. But it looks like you'll be creating your own class based on your own knowledge of Logos, and that will be useful for the newbies you train. I would start with some very simple concepts which they might be able to connect to some past print-based experiences. For example, probably many people have used or seen a concordance (some study Bibles have a mini one at the back), or at least know what one is. So you could explain that with Logos you don't need a concordance because Logos can speedily build a concordance-like report for you on the fly, for whatever Bible version you prefer. Then you'd show them how to use Bible search and the "Aligned" results view in particular. I imagine you'll end up blending a bit of instruction in Logos with general teaching on how to do a personal Bible study. There are some good resources in Logos that could help with the latter, such as The Handbook to Bible Study. Or you might want to teach them some other established Bible study method such as Precepts Inductive Bible Study method, and show them how to use Logos to do that.

Sounds like a great project to prepare and teach this class. All the best with it!

Larry Worden

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167940#Comment_167940

Good Morning!

I'm a member on our church's men's group--(Church site: www.FirstBaptistElyria.org- a link to Men's site there.) Anyway, I've been thinking about having session(s) to encourage use of Bible Software to aid in personal Bible study and aid if teaching Sunday school. I agree that it isn't showing the bells and whistles of Logos, but how to make Bible Software work for one’s personal Bible edification. I think one can set a class that teaches the learning of Logos 4 and doing it with personal Bible enrichment in mind. I don't want to bog you down in your time, but an outline of your objectives and expected outcomes that you're planning will be helpful. THANKS, if possible.

Larry

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/168030#Comment_168030

Is there a way to copy the videos made by Logos users and save them to a portable drive that I can play on another computer?

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167903#Comment_167903

Hmm, you think there is a need for a class on using Logos 4... a beginners guide?

I am offering a non-credit 7 week course on using Bible software this Fall, specifically targeting Logos use. It will be interesting to find out how much we can actually accomplish in those 7 weeks.

Any chance of creating video of the class as you teach?

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/168404#Comment_168404

Is there a way to copy the videos made by Logos users and save them to a portable drive that I can play on another computer?

The only way I know to do it is to get a flash video ripper/down-loader. Firefox has at least one add-on that can do it (DownloadHelper), and there are probably a few others out there as well. To use it, you'll have to view the video on YouTube or Vimeo (right click menu from within the video), as the Logos site, embeds from the other sites. (BTW, this one wants to sell you a video conversion program. I passed.)

There are probably freeware programs that will work with other browsers as well, and possibly other addins that work better than the one I have.

Of course, the easier way would be to access the Logos video page from your other computer.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/168408#Comment_168408

Is there a way to copy the videos made by Logos users and save them to a portable drive that I can play on another computer?

The only way I know to do it is to get a flash video ripper/down-loader. Firefox has at least one add-on that can do it (DownloadHelper), and there are probably a few others out there as well.

I use Replay Video Capture which can capture/download pretty much any kind of video: Flash, MPEG, WMV, YouTube, etc. It's not free, but it's well worth the price. Be sure you use it only for legal means, though. It could of course be abused to steal copyrighted material, but don't do that. I'm sure most of us users who created videos for the wiki wouldn't mind you making private copies of them, but it would be proper to ask first. In some cases we might still have the original around and be willing to make it available for you to download directly.

JJ Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/168405#Comment_168405

Any chance of creating video of the class as you teach?

Good videos? No, I don't think there is a chance. Bad video from a camera stuck in a corner? Sure, I can do that. However, this isn't going to be anything that anyone will want to see on video. Most of the participants are average mom's and Dads who have little computer background. Most of the class will involve me checking to see if they made it to the right screen or not. Or explaining why their antivirus should be updated. Or why Java wants to update. Ugh. I can't imagine what else. The goal will be to introduce them to two programs: First, a free Bible Study program. Two, to get them a basic install of a few bibles and dictionary and commentary, etc and get them in Logos. The rest of the class will be exploring the benefits of Logos for simple devotions, prayer lists, and for pulling together a SS lesson. 4 or 5 Bible Study methods will be explored and demonstrated.

JJ Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167950#Comment_167950

Thanks!

JJ Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/168404#Comment_168404

Is there a way to copy the videos made by Logos users and save them to a portable drive that I can play on another computer?

Yes, I believe there are several programs that will do exactly that. Real Player (free download) will grab most any videos that are on youtube and other places. If you go to CNET's Download.com you will be able to search for other programs that will do the trick. Now, you might want to check with Logos to see if this violates any of their use policies. We want to be sure that we are not talking about stealing copyrighted information...but rather having freely distributable videos also available for offline viewing from your hard drive.

Ronald Quick

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/168432#Comment_168432

Thanks for the help!

Floyd Johnson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/168430#Comment_168430

Good videos? No

Understood - I did not realize the context in which you were going to be teaching. Thank you for the followup.

Debbie Howard

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167903#Comment_167903

Is this an online class by any chance?

Debbie

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/213361#Comment_213361

Is this an online class by any chance?

Not that I've heard of. However, this is an old thread. There's been a lot of videos made for Logos 4 since then.

See: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Video_Tutorials

I suggest starting with Mark Barnes' Logos tutorial videos.

Pastor Michael Huffman

Morris is a good source for help as well as John Fallahee from Learn Logos. His interacttive videos are tremendous as well as his FREE webinars.

Jonathan Burke

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/167903#Comment_167903

I am offering a non-credit 7 week course on using Bible software this Fall, specifically targeting Logos use. It will be interesting to find out how much we can actually accomplish in those 7 weeks.

Using this as an example (and without any comments on the idea, which I think is excellent), what are the legal implications of selling a course with material carrying the Logos logo, or handbooks in which you use screenshots from Logos? Would you just put a standard disclaimer identifying their trademarks as belonging to them, or would you seek permission first? This stuff is academic to me since I live in Taiwan, far away from Morrie Proctor, Camp Logos, and where there is no market for Logos instruction (at least, in English, and almost none even in Chinese), but I'm interested in knowing how this works.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/213819#Comment_213819

I am offering a non-credit 7 week course on using Bible software this Fall, specifically targeting Logos use. It will be interesting to find out how much we can actually accomplish in those 7 weeks.

Using this as an example (and without any comments on the idea, which I think is excellent), what are the legal implications of selling a course with material carrying the Logos logo, or handbooks in which you use screenshots from Logos? Would you just put a standard disclaimer identifying their trademarks as belonging to them, or would you seek permission first? This stuff is academic to me since I live in Taiwan, far away from Morrie Proctor, Camp Logos, and where there is no market for Logos instruction (at least, in English, and almost none even in Chinese), but I'm interested in knowing how this works.

While not free, Logos offers "Learn to Use Biblical Greek and Hebrew with Logos Bible Software" => http://www.logos.com/product/5876/learn-to-use-biblical-greek-and-hebrew-with-logos-bible-software that has 42 videos (up to 2.5 hours in one video) - pre-publication shipped with a note that individual videos could be shown in a group setting => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/18205/140549.aspx#140549 - not allowed to distribute (or copy) videos.

Greek 03 has excellent context discussions.

Hebrew 03 Word Study demonstrates power of Logos (with worthwhile advice for prioritizing some resources).

Keep Smiling [:)]