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Don Awalt said:
I am really pleased that Logos is branching out and hiring all these different Product Managers with a focus on different Christian audiences.
I agree, this is very good news.
Don Awalt said:I expect we will see even more of these people on board as Logos continues to grow.
I sure hope so! With Anabaptist resources slowly growing, I would love to see a product manager who could bring cooperation between Logos and some primarily Anabaptist publishers even though most of them are fairly small and do not produce many large works.
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Bruce and Rosie, thanks for your wisdom and diligence in safeguarding my email address. Can't wait to meet you guys!
Martin
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Lynden, I've heard that you guys in the Bahamas are really strong Logos users. I'll have to connect with you as soon as I get settled in Bellingham. My guess is that I won't be going to the Bahamas anytime soon! But thanks for the invitation!
Martin
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Martin H Weber said:
Lynden, I've heard that you guys in the Bahamas are really strong Logos users. I'll have to connect with you as soon as I get settled in Bellingham. My guess is that I won't be going to the Bahamas anytime soon! But thanks for the invitation!
Martin
Glad to have you on board.Finally, I have heard they are working on a new Bible Commentary. When it goes to the press, make sure that they send the file to Logos at the same time. I do not plan to lug home 12-15 volumes from Texas in 2015 (possible release date).Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Would like to have these in Logos.
https://adventistbiblicalresearch.org/shop/daniel-and-revelation-7-volume-set
https://adventistbiblicalresearch.org/shop/understanding-scripture-adventist-approach-v-1
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Thanks, Lynden! I've made sure to plunder the Vyrso library to find the existing titles from Wimber, Wagner, Franklin, and Bevere. Got 'em!
Rich
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Great list, Andrew!
For Assemblies of God higher education institutions (Stateside, anyhow), I suggest adding the following:
» Caribbean Theological College; Bayamon, Puerto Rico
» Global University (formerly Berean School of the Bible); Springfield, Missouri
» Latin American Bible Institute, Texas; San Antonio, Texas
» Western Bible College; Phoenix, Arizona
Regards,
Rich
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Andrew Baguley said:5 Solas said:
Thanks so much for all the hard work that went into these lists. Thanks for making it public.
Presbyterian and Reformed
An additional name - Pratt, Richard LThanks. Duly added.
I have a number of people that I would tag as "reformed" that seem to be missing. I made a collection "additional reformed" that I simply add to the others. the rule currently reads:
publisher:crossway OR author:(grudem, anyabwile, "Carson, D.A.", Moo, "Van til, cornelius", "olyott , stuart", vangemeren, "bahnsen, greg", ursinus, "rogers, E.P.", "Erdman, Charles R", "The Gospel coalition", "Lightfoot, John", "polhill, edward")
Another point: while reading the recently shipped "Angels, Worms and Bogeys" (nice title for a theological monograph), I thought it might be helpful to build a collection on Pietism. My initial rule draft:
author:(spener, francke, arndt) OR pietism
would pick up three central authors (if they were published in Logos which they aren't by now - I think Spener's "Pia Desideria" is in PrePub in a larger collection somewhere) and anything that has pietism in any resource field - the meager results in my library are Arndt's "True Christianity" (a PBB), "Angels, Worms and Bogeys" and one volume from Hugh Oliphants historical opus "The Reading and Preaching of Scripture". Can this really be? What/whom am I missing?
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
Another point: while reading the recently shipped "Angels, Worms and Bogeys" (nice title for a theological monograph), I thought it might be helpful to build a collection on Pietism. My initial rule draft:
author:(spener, francke, arndt) OR pietism
Good idea. I'd change pietism to pietis, though, so it catches both pietism and pietist. One other book that change picked up in in my library was The Founders of the New Devotion: Being the Lives of Gerard Groote, Florentius Radewin and Their Followers by Thomas à Kempis, which mentions "The Brethren of the Common Life," "a Roman Catholic pietist community dedicated to living simple lives in dedication to Jesus Christ." Maybe that doesn't fit within your mental category of Pietism (you might be restricting it to German Protestant Pietism), but there are other figures who could also be included: Zinzendorf and the Moravians.
Thomas à Kempis. The Founders of the New Devotion: Being the Lives of Gerard Groote, Florentius Radewin and Their Followers. Translated by J. P. Arthur. London: Kegan Paul, Trench, Trübner & Co., Ltd., 1905.
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Rosie Perera said:NB.Mick said:
Another point: while reading the recently shipped "Angels, Worms and Bogeys" (nice title for a theological monograph), I thought it might be helpful to build a collection on Pietism. My initial rule draft:
author:(spener, francke, arndt) OR pietism
Good idea. I'd change pietism to pietis, though, so it catches both pietism and pietist. One other book that change picked up in in my library was The Founders of the New Devotion: Being the Lives of Gerard Groote, Florentius Radewin and Their Followers by Thomas à Kempis, which mentions "The Brethren of the Common Life," "a Roman Catholic pietist community dedicated to living simple lives in dedication to Jesus Christ."
Thanks, that's very valuable! This change not only finds Thomas a Kempis' work, but also "A history of Lutheranism" by Erwin Gritsch, which is in some parts directly to the point.
Rosie Perera said:Maybe that doesn't fit within your mental category of Pietism (you might be restricting it to German Protestant Pietism), but there are other figures who could also be included: Zinzendorf and the Moravians.
The Moravians are certainly related - I now have a separate category for them - but my mental category is some what fuzzy. It would certainly include non-German pietists, however so far I wouldn't simply lump all movements that stressed piety (such as a conversion or dedication to the Lord, a changed lifestyle and a somewhat community-oriented faith) into this category - Jansenists, the Anabaptists etc. I wouldn't tag as Pietist.
Some people claim that pietism was/is one of the strongest theological currents and that large parts of the evangelical ethos could be traced back to pietist influence. Except for the connection via Wesley and the Methodists I don't see much in my Logos library to this end, and I'm wondering if I just don't see it, if it's not there (and I need to buy more books, or more non-Logos books) or if there are no books - e.g. because the pietists lived their faith rather than to write endlessly about it - or if the non-German pietists simply went under other names, since the word "pietist" seems to be four-lettered for so many people.
Of course, Dale Brown's "Understanding Pietism" would be a worthwile addition to Logos...
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:
The Moravians are certainly related - I now have a separate category for them - but my mental category is some what fuzzy. It would certainly include non-German pietists, however so far I wouldn't simply lump all movements that stressed piety (such as a conversion or dedication to the Lord, a changed lifestyle and a somewhat community-oriented faith) into this category - Jansenists, the Anabaptists etc. I wouldn't tag as Pietist.
Some people claim that pietism was/is one of the strongest theological currents and that large parts of the evangelical ethos could be traced back to pietist influence. Except for the connection via Wesley and the Methodists I don't see much in my Logos library to this end, and I'm wondering if I just don't see it, if it's not there (and I need to buy more books, or more non-Logos books) or if there are no books - e.g. because the pietists lived their faith rather than to write endlessly about it - or if the non-German pietists simply went under other names, since the word "pietist" seems to be four-lettered for so many people.
Yeah, I too wasn't sure whether the category should be broad or narrow. I'd only thought of Wesley and the Methodists as direct descendants of the German Pietists. Yes, there is a strand of pietism running deep through much of evangelicalism, but I wouldn't consider it all to be "big P" "Pietism."
The only books that are definitively from a Pietist perspective that I have in my print library are Arndt's True Christianity and Spener's Pia Desideria, both of which are classics. The latter is in pre-pub shipping in a little over a week. The former is still sorely lacking in Logos. I don't have anything by Francke.
Looks like God's Glory, Neighbor's Good: A Brief Introduction to the Life and Writings of August Hermann Francke might be good for Logos to try to get. It is mentioned in several Logos resources I have.
There is a whole chapters on "The Awakenings of Eighteenth-Century Pietism" in Hughes Oliphant Old's The Reading and Preaching of the Scriptures in the Worship of the Christian Church, Volume 5: Moderatism, Pietism, and Awakening. Here are the characters named in it with their own section headings:
I. Philipp Jakob Spener (1635-1705)
II. August Hermann Francke (1663-1727)
III. Johann Albrecht Bengel (1687-1752)
IV. Theodorus Jacobus Frelinghuysen (1692-1747)
V. Gilbert Tennent (1703-64)
VI. John Wesley (1703-91)
VII. George Whitefield (1714-70)
VIII. Samuel Davies (1723-61)He omits Arndt who was earlier, and says "Arndt belongs to the age of Lutheran orthodoxy even if he was a powerful inspiration to the pietists."
That's probably where I'd draw the boundaries of Pietiesm for this collection rule, though Methodism deserves its own separate collection. (I guess that's what "Arminian (Wesleyan)" covers?)
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adding all of those names listed in the post previous brings me up to 4(!) books in my pietism collection.
Dr. Alvin Reid traces the SBC through Pietism. through Spener particularly. Surprised then, that there are not more.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Coming to this discussion from an American Lutheran perspective, historically there are pietistic roots in just about every branch of Lutheranism here - even when we don't admit it. The thing is that both "Lutheran Orthodoxy" and "Pietism" can be mean quite different things to different people. It seems that the discussion in both was rather diverse. In some works it is difficult to decide on which side people like Johann Ardnt, Johann Gerhard, and Paul Gerhardt fall. It seems that both protestant orthodoxy and pietism were richer than our textbooks describe.
Henry M. Muehlenberg was a student of Francke's son at Halle, and sent over to the colonies to organize and preach to the German Lutherans, and so his journals and reports back to Halle would be of interest. And so the 18th Century figures here were pietists of various stripes. After a brief flirtation with Liberalism/Rationalism in figures like Quitman (which evidently was also in Halle after Francke - heck - Pietism was a huge influence on Schleiermacher - the father of Liberal theology), North Americans went different directions. Many of the "east coast" Lutheran debates in the 19th century were about the meaning of that pietist legacy. One side emphasized the Lutheran roots (eg. Krauth, Mann) and another the openness to fresh understandings with others (eg. S.S. Schmucker, Sprecker, and Kurtz). But all were pietists of various flavors.
Back in Germany, there was a confessional revial happening in Pietists like Harless and Loehe, and in general Erlangen University who were discovering a richness in orthodoxy to at least compliment the pietism in which they had come up. Loehe sent quite a few men over to to be teachers or pastors if called by congregations, and so had a great influence on the Ohio, Missouri, and Iowa Synods in the midwest.
CFW Walther, founder of the Missouri Synod, was a pietist who found that pietism didn't work for him - and found answers to his problems in reading Luther directly. He energetically wrote in multiple (German language) periodicals his whole life to spread this wisdom. But even when he is attacking pietism in works like Law and Gospel, there is a still a pietistic warmth behind it - and a deep desire for a pious ministry and pious membership.
And then there are the various Scandinavians... Grundvig, Hauge... And of course the facinating novel of Bo Giertz, The Hammer of God which talks extensively about various "pietist" movements in all three sub-novels.
The Gospel is not ... a "new law," on the contrary, ... a "new life." - William Julius Mann
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L7 Lutheran Gold, Anglican Bronze
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Thanks, Ken!
Actually I was hoping for you to turn up. I'll try your names - and maybe I'll have to read some of those PBs more closely, or make some of my own down the road...
Mick
Have joy in the Lord!
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Lynden Williams said:Andrew Baguley said:
Partly to make it easier to check suggestions here, and partly for other reasons, I've been creating a spreadsheet of educational institutions (universities, colleges and seminaries) linked to denominations
Why not use this as a base. http://ats.edu/MemberSchools/Pages/denom.aspx Association of Denominational Index of Member Schools
That was really helpful, Lynden. I've added all of the Association of Theological Schools in the United States and Canada (ATS) schools. Many of them were missing. I hope this is now much more reliable, though it still comes with no guarantees:
6170.Colleges & Universities.xls
Additions, comments, corrections and suggestions welcome.
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Rich Tatum (Logos) said:
Hi, everybody! I thought I'd jump in momentarily to introduce myself.
Hi Rich
Apologies that this is such a belated reply to your post. Many thanks for joining in the discussion. I agree that it can get tricky, and I'm trying to do this carefully, so as not to offend too many people through miscategorisation. For this reason, I've added your list to the end of mine. I'll hopefully assimilate it properly before too long.
It's great to get an inside view. I'm hoping that you're adding your name to the list of those who would like the naming conventions tidied up and corrected. [:)] There are a whole load of typos on the website as well. Using the Logos website as a main data source, I've narrowly avoided adding quite a number of mis-spellings, though I can't be sure I haven't added some.
Please feel free to continue to make suggestions of names, sources of data and subcategories.
Thanks again.
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Rich Tatum (Logos) said:
Great list, Andrew!
For Assemblies of God higher education institutions (Stateside, anyhow), I suggest adding the following:
Thanks, Rich. I've just added them. Sorry they never made the version I've just published. They should be in here:
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Here's the latest list, with a number of changes. I haven't had time to assimilate all of NB Mick's and Rich Tatum's suggestions properly yet, so these are tagged on at the end.
As always, additions, comments, corrections and suggestions are welcome. I know there's still a lot of work I'd like to do to this.
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Thank You, Andrew! I truly appreciate your work of love and your sharings with your Brothers and Sisters on these Logos Forums.. thank you very much indeed! *smile*
Psalm 29:11
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I've improved the list of Theology/Denomination tags, as well as the list of Universities and Colleges. Here are the latest versions:
7266.Colleges & Universities.xls
As always, comments, suggestions and amendments welcome. [:)] As far as I'm concerned, they're far from complete, but getting better...
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Rosie Perera said:Andrew Baguley said:
...with all those provisos, here is my latest list:
Wow, that's very useful.
What about historic affiliations where schools are now more ecumenical? For example Hope College says on its website that "While historically affiliated with the Reformed Church in America, Hope is ecumenically diverse and values open discussion of matters of faith and respect for the opinions of others."
And "Seattle Pacific University was founded by Free Methodist pioneers who valued a non-sectarian approach to education that welcomed all those seeking scholarly excellence rooted in the Christian gospel, and who sought to take the gospel into the world in order to bring about the flourishing of God’s children.
And what about colleges and universities that intentionally cross denominational boundaries? Should they be in the list as such?
Regent College (in Vancouver, BC) is transdenominational. "Regent College is an international and transdenominational community, made up of students from over 40 countries and 30 denominations."
Thanks for engaging, Rosie. Sorry it's taken so long to respond.
I admit that the categorisation is far from perfect, and I know that different people use terms differently, but I have tried to use the following terms:
Non-denominational - no denominational ties
Interdenominational - ties with a number of denominations
Ecumenical - encourages denominations to work together
Uniting - encourages denominations to join together
I'm sure I won't have been as consistent as I would like in allocating the labels and I've tried to improve this in the latest version above. I'm making decisions largely from Wikipedia classifications and the colleges'/universities' own websites. I'd be only too happy to change the classifications if someone who knows these institutions better than I do advises it. I think it's worth noting the original ties, as well as the current status. In some cases, there is some subjectivity in how this is done, so let me illustrate my approach through the examples you cited.
I've added Hope College. It seems from their website that they are still clinging to their Reformed Church in America heritage, though welcoming all, so I've categorised it with the denomination "Reformed Church in America" while adding the note "Ecumenically diverse". I could just about as easily have categorised it as non-denominational with the note "Formerly Reformed Church in America" but the denominational tie seemed strong enough to suggest the former.
Seattle Pacific University still proudly proclaims itself as Orthodox, Evangelical, Wesleyan, Ecumenical, so it suggests that the denomination is still important and influences the university today, so I've categorised it with the denomination, but added the note Orthodox, Evangelical, Wesleyan, Ecumenical.
I'm sure you know Regent College much better than I do. I think it should be Evangelical, Non-denominational given the definitions above, as I can't see denominational ties mentioned on the website, though their students are from a range of denominations.
I'm definitely open to suggestions regarding the categories, as well as regarding reclassifying institutions. What do you think?
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MJ. Smith said:
The final group. It took about 8 hours ... now if someone with a library with a different mix that I tries the same exercise ...
Sorry this has taken so long, MJ, but I realised that I didn't deal with the questions I had from your lists back in April. I added most of your suggestions, but had a few questions as follows:
I couldn't find Joseph Kenny (Catholic), J. Ellsworth Kalas (Methodist) or John Hutton Balfour (Presbyterian) in Logos. Are they Personal Books? I found Robert G Balfour, but not John Hutton Balfour.
Hermann Gunkel was born into a Lutheran family, but I wasn't sure whether he was Lutheran himself. It would be good if someone who knows the German Protestant scene well could comment on the other "German Protestants" as well.
I added sections for Difficult to Categorise, including John Drane, and "Changed", including Andrew Jukes, who ended up independent. What do you think? I'm sure these categories could be expanded greatly. Is there anyone you'd add?
Ralph Wardlaw seemed to be Congregational, rather than Presbyterian, though he grew up Presbyterian.
I omitted David Brown, as there appear to be two David Browns, one Presbyterian, one Anglican. Perhaps I should include the name under both categories. What do you think?
The John Cotton in Logos does not appear to be the Puritan John Cotton, though we might end up with two John Cottons as well.
Finally, I wondered what you thought about breaking down the Roman Catholic category, as I have done with the other large categories. I'm thinking in terms of at least some of the categories I used for teh Roman Catholic colleges and universities:
Augustinians, Benedictine, Congregation of Holy Cross, Congregation of St. Basil, Congregation of the Mission, Dominican, Franciscan, Missionary Oblates of Mary Immaculate, Order of Preachers, Pontifical, Priests of the Sacred Heart, Sisters of St. Joseph, Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary, Society of Jesus (Jesuit), Society of Saint-Sulpice, St. Thomas Aquinas
If you think this is a good idea, you would be far better placed to do it than I would. Would you be willing to tackle it?
Thanks again for all your work on this.
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Andrew! *smile* May God's Peace constantly flood your very being! .... and keep you in Great and Abundant Joy!
I, for one, appreciate the incredible work you are doing that benefits the whole Logos Forums Community!
All I can do is to say, Thank you very kindly!
AND To thank our Gracious God as I use the work you have shared with us!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Andrew Baguley said:I couldn't find Joseph Kenny (Catholic), J. Ellsworth Kalas (Methodist) or John Hutton Balfour (Presbyterian) in Logos. Are they Personal Books? I found Robert G Balfour, but not John Hutton Balfour.
Sorry, I keep forgetting that Joseph Kenny is a personal book. J. Ellsworth Kalas is in Vyrso (Old Testament Stories from the Back Side et. al.), John Hutton Balfour is a standard Logos edition (The Plants of the Bible).
I have no further information re: Gunkel so I'm comfortable with him being left "undecided".
Andrew Baguley said:I added sections for Difficult to Categorise, including John Drane, and "Changed", including Andrew Jukes, who ended up independent. What do you think? I'm sure these categories could be expanded greatly.
Good idea but I think you should restrict it to "changed within their writings." There are a number of professional converts, at least in the Catholic tradition, who write prolifically after conversion but wrote nothing before. Mark Shea would be an example.
Andrew Baguley said:Ralph Wardlaw seemed to be Congregational, rather than Presbyterian, though he grew up Presbyterian.
As I read Wikipedia, they define him as Presbyterian with an independent congregational bent ... I would defer to others on him.
I'll finish up later.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Andrew Baguley said:
Ralph Wardlaw seemed to be Congregational, rather than Presbyterian, though he grew up Presbyterian.
As I read Wikipedia, they define him as Presbyterian with an independent congregational bent ... I would defer to others on him.
The church in New England that I grew up in was Congregational (a member of the CCCC -- Conservative Congregational Christian Conference) but it was a church plant from a Presbyterian church and I believe that their theologies are pretty much the same, though church polity differs.
From Wikipedia: "The history of Congregational churches in the United States is closely intertwined with that of American Presbyterianism, especially in New England where Congregationalist influence spilled over into Presbyterian churches farther west."
But Wikipedia says Wardlaw was from Scotland, so the New England characteristic intertwining of Congregational and Presbyterian might not apply.
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Trying to catalog my library. Where is the most up to date list of these denominations?
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Lynden Williams said:
Trying to catalog my library. Where is the most up to date list of these denominations?
Found it. I would take Uriah Smith out of Church of God category. As far as I know, was an Adventist up to the time of his death. His book is listed under Seventh-day Adventist under publisher.
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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To pick up all the resources for Seventh-day Adventist use:
Author:(“Anderson, Bruce”, “Dederen, Raoul”, “Fayard, Carlos”, “Gulley, Norman R.”, “Harding IV, George T.”, “Hernandez, Barbara Couden”, “Horn, Siegfried H.”, “Knight, George R.”, “LaRondelle, Hans K.”, “Neufeld, Don F.”, “Nichol, Francis D.”, “Rice, Richard”, “Smith, Uriah”, "White, Ellen","Gugliotto,Lee") OR Publisher:(“Andrews University Press”, “Review and Herald”, “Seventh-day Adventist")OR (Subject:"ellen white writings")OR(mytag:"sdaencyc","sdaatlas")
Seventh-day Adventist Encyclopedia and Seventh-day Adventist Atlas were not being recognized thus the reason for "mytag"
This is what is listed in the document. If someone could merge theses it would be greatly appreciated.
Author:(“Anderson, Bruce”, “Andrews University”, “Brand, Leonard”, “Davidson, Richard M.”, “Dederen, Raoul”, “Doukhan, Jacques B.”, “Fayard, Carlos”, “Gane, Roy”, “Gugliotto, Lee J.”, “Gulley, Norman R.”, “Harding IV, George T.”, “Hasel, Gerhard”, “Hernandez, Barbara Couden”, “Horn, Siegfried H.”, “Knight, George R.”, “LaRondelle, Hans K.”, “Miller, Nicholas M.”, “Neufeld, Don F.”, “Nichol, Francis D.”, “Rasell, Marc”, “Rice, Richard”, “Richards, W. Larry”, “Smith, Uriah”, “Stefanovic, Ranko”, “Swanson, H. Peter”, “White, Ellen G.”) OR Publisher:(“Andrews University Press”, “Review and Herald”, “Seventh Day Adventist”)
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Thanks for this, Lynden. Your expertise and participation are a real blessing on this forum.
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Another Catholic, that doesn't seem to have been mentioned: William T. Cavanaugh.
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