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  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning Member, MVP Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭

    Andrew, you have been working on this for over a year now and what an incredible result. I've now updated my collections with the latest data. Well done! Thank you very much!

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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    So I have started comparing the two sets of collection rules. From what I can tell Andrews were the foundation, but have a few twists here and there.

    For my own use I have consolidated them (surely with great internal redundancy). However, Its been kind of a pain, and they could surely use a good bit of revision to reduce duplicate names... However I am happy with them.

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  • Randy W. Sims
    Randy W. Sims Member Posts: 2,272

    So I have started comparing the two sets of collection rules.

    Which sets of collection rules are you comparing?

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    Andrews which begin with Theology: or Deomination:

    And another set I found on a different faith life group for collections, they begin: Denom. Stream:

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  • Randy W. Sims
    Randy W. Sims Member Posts: 2,272

    Andrews which begin with Theology: or Deomination:

    And another set I found on a different faith life group for collections, they begin: Denom. Stream:

    I believe those are all from Andrew's rule. You can see them all on the Logos Rule tab of the spreadsheet. The first section contains denominations and sub-denominations. Denom. Streams are basically supersets of all the sun-denominations in a denomination except for a few top level denominations that don't have Denon. Streams.

    Andrews three sets of rule names are all prefaced with "Denomination:", "Denom. Stream:", or "Theology:"

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    Is there a way when you delete one of the collections and get a new copy you don't get the title of the collection appended with (2), (3), etc.?

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    Is there a way when you delete one of the collections and get a new copy you don't get the title of the collection appended with (2), (3), etc.?

    Anyone have an idea? Thanks

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning Member, MVP Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭

    Is there a way when you delete one of the collections and get a new copy you don't get the title of the collection appended with (2), (3), etc.?

    Anyone have an idea? Thanks

    If I am understanding you correctly you only get the collection appended with (2), (3) etc. when you created a collection with the same name as another collection. What I do when updating a collection is select all the text in the existing collection and paste the new rule over it. If I want to see what was in it before I can immediately choose "undo". This way I can go back and forth between the old and new collection rules.

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  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Bruce, here is the scenario.

    Go to a Faithlife Forum - like Denomination/Tags - grab a document and Copy it - make a private copy in Logos. If you have never copied it before, then it shows up with the correct title.

    Now, within Logos, delete it - it is gone. Go up and after refreshing Faithlife so it knows you don't have it any more, it will let you copy it again. Copy it (This scenario I assume is what is necessary when there is an update to a document, per my question earlier in this thread; all the files were updated this weekend).

    Now, when it comes again, it will come with a (2) appended to the title - even though the original is not there! Next time (3), and so on. 

  • Bruce Dunning
    Bruce Dunning Member, MVP Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Bruce, here is the scenario.

    Go to a Faithlife Forum - like Denomination/Tags - grab a document and Copy it - make a private copy in Logos. If you have never copied it before, then it shows up with the correct title.

    Now, within Logos, delete it - it is gone. Go up and after refreshing Faithlife so it knows you don't have it any more, it will let you copy it again. Copy it (This scenario I assume is what is necessary when there is an update to a document, per my question earlier in this thread; all the files were updated this weekend).

    Now, when it comes again, it will come with a (2) appended to the title - even though the original is not there! Next time (3), and so on. 

    Okay, I think I more fully understand your situation now Don. Thanks for taking the time to explain it in more detail. I too have downloaded many of the denomination/tags from Faithlife and have experienced what you are saying. I'm not sure of a way around it other than to simply delete the old collection and rename the new one again (which I have done). What I would really like to do is to be able to view what changes were made and cut and paste them for myself but I can't figure out how I can do that from faithlife. I will continue to monitor this thread and see if anyhow else can help.

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  • Andrew Baguley
    Andrew Baguley Member Posts: 641 ✭✭✭

    Please find the latest copy of the spreadsheet below.  I think I've included all the suggestions so far.  Feel free to keep them coming, and let me know if I've missed any, or if you notice any mistakes.

    It still doesn't include all the Popes yet, but it does include the authors in the Ante Nicene Fathers (ANF) and Nicene and Post Nicene Fathers (NPNF) and the Journals.

    As before, I've updated the collections available through the Faithlife post at https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/documents, and I've added a new denomination or two.  This is the easiest way to get the updates.  It should be automatic for those who have already accessed the collections this way.

    Here's a zipped copy of the spreadsheet:

    2146.Denominations and Theology.zip

  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Andrew for the hard work! Question - one of the Collections on the Faithlife group does not have starting its name, "Denomination", or "Denom, Stream", or "Theology" - it is Church of Ireland. Should that have a different name to be grouped with others?

    Thanks!

  • Andrew Baguley
    Andrew Baguley Member Posts: 641 ✭✭✭

    Thanks Andrew for the hard work! Question - one of the Collections on the Faithlife group does not have starting its name, "Denomination", or "Denom, Stream", or "Theology" - it is Church of Ireland. Should that have a different name to be grouped with others?

    Thanks!

    Thanks, Don.  You're quite right.  I've renamed it.

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    Tullian Tchividjian does not seem to be picked up by either the Presbyterian, or reformed collections. He's a fellow floridians, an author in vyrso, pastor of Coral Ridge in south florida and grandson of billy graham.

    http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tullian/ (check the box to the right near the top)

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  • Andrew Baguley
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    Thanks, abondservant.  I've updated the collections, and the next time I publish the spreadsheet, he'll be in there too, along with a few other additions.  Feel free to keep suggestions coming.  I know there's still lots to do.

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  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick Member, MVP Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    The fourth of nine children of Johann Georg and Anna Regina Kant, Immanuel Kant was born in the town of Königsberg on April 22, 1724. Johann Kant was a harness maker, and the large family lived in modest circumstances. The family belonged to a Protestant sect of Pietists, and a concern for religion touched every aspect of their lives. Although Kant became critical of formal religion, he continued to admire the "praiseworthy conduct" of Pietists. Kant's elementary education was taken at Saint George's Hospital School and then at the Collegium Fredericianum, a Pietist school, where he remained from 1732 until 1740.

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  • Andrew Baguley
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    I read this as "Despite being raised in a Pietist household and still maintaining a belief in God, he was skeptical of religion in later life and was an agnostic."  I'm no expert, but I think his writings reflect agnosticism and skepticism, more than pietism.  I accept MJ's suggestion that Logos tags should reflect the author's main writing period, so I've left Kant uncategorised in the spreadsheet, and therefore in none of the collections.  I'm open to suggestions though.

  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick Member, MVP Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭

    I read this as "Despite being raised in a Pietist household and still maintaining a belief in God, he was skeptical of religion in later life and was an agnostic."  I'm no expert, but I think his writings reflect agnosticism and skepticism, more than pietism.  

    Same here. 

    I'm currently reading "The Journey of Modern Theology" (hope this would be made into a Logos book soon!) and here's all it says about Kant and Pietism: "He was raised in a pietist home and church, but as an adult he rarely attended church".

    Some more citations: "According to Kant, religion arises from ethics, from humanity's experience of the 'moral law within' (...) Kant believed there is a moral law within everyone and it is perfectly rational. It does not depend on revelation. He called it the "categorical imperative" (...) every rational person intuitively realizes it is correct." and "Christianity is limited to its ethical function, according to Kant; it is not at all about mysterious doctrines about God-in-himself such as Trinity or incarnation". Thus: "Jesus' importance lies in his example and teachings. not in his incarnation or atoning death as in traditional, orthodox theology. Kant's Christology did not go much beyond that of the deists." Hardly a Pietist position.

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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

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  • Mitchell
    Mitchell Member Posts: 454

    Makes sense... Maybe a philosophy tag?

    I second this, especially since Noet is introducing more philosophical works into Logos. Probably a single tag would work for now, but at some point it might worth splitting philosophers into eras or schools.

  • Randy W. Sims
    Randy W. Sims Member Posts: 2,272

    Since this set of collections primarily focuses on Theology, is Philosophy a valid category? Perhaps Atheist and Agnostic, but I'm not sure about Philosophy. Note that I'm certainly not arguing against a Philosophy collection. Just wondering if it, in itself, is a proper category of theologies/denominations?

  • Roger G Black
    Roger G Black Member Posts: 103

    I will add my short part, yes, philosophy has a root/tie into the theology/denomination tags.  Or, as also suggested, having it listed as a sub-part.

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  • Mitchell
    Mitchell Member Posts: 454

    Since this set of collections primarily focuses on Theology, is Philosophy a valid category? Perhaps Atheist and Agnostic, but I'm not sure about Philosophy. Note that I'm certainly not arguing against a Philosophy collection. Just wondering if it, in itself, is a proper category of theologies/denominations?

    I don't think we need to get too heavily into the taxonomy of disciplines and movements here. IMO, it's enough to say that having a collection of authors known primarily as philosophers would be useful for filtering and searching in Logos. Atheist and agnostic less so, because so many philosophers over the years are ambiguous on those points, or they are Christians but don't write about Christianity (e.g. Kant).

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    A.W. Pink is calvinist/reformed.

    https://www.logos.com/products/search?Author=Pink%2c+Arthur+Walkington

    Surprised he isn't already in there, I figured more people would have him in their libraries.


    Never mind - Just realized it was my miss-spelling of his name on the PB in question that caused him not to be picked up by the rules.

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  • Edil
    Edil Member Posts: 266 ✭✭

    I was looking for suggestions on how to organize my library and found this thread. Thanks for the excellent work.

    Now please excuse my ignorance, I downloaded the excel file how is that I parse the data from excel to Logos so the collections get created?

    Also, What about Reformed Baptist, 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith (that's me [:)]). I saw that logos have at least one author, Albert N. Martin (very good preacher imo), with two resources (one in pre-pub):

    https://www.logos.com/product/25217/how-not-to-foul-up-the-training-of-your-children

    https://www.logos.com/product/3588/distinguishing-traits-of-christian-character

    And from Wikipedia more information about Reformed Baptist groups or variants:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Baptists

    With names or organizations such as:

    John Bunyan; John Gill; William Carey; Charles Spurgeon; London Reformed Baptist Seminary;  Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America; Continental Baptist Churches; Sovereign Grace Baptist Association of Churches; Sovereign Grace Baptists.

  • Andrew Baguley
    Andrew Baguley Member Posts: 641 ✭✭✭

    I was looking for suggestions on how to organize my library and found this thread. Thanks for the excellent work.

    Now please excuse my ignorance, I downloaded the excel file how is that I parse the data from excel to Logos so the collections get created?

    Also, What about Reformed Baptist, 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith (that's me Smile).

    Really sorry for the late reply, Edil.  I had hoped others might post answers here.

    I think I answered your question about parsing data on the Faithlife page (https://faithlife.com/messages/5180).  Let me know if you're still struggling.

    There used to be a Theology/Denomination Reformed Baptist on the spreadsheet.  I soon realised that it was complicated, and that the category was really just two different types of theology combined.  It's not really a denomination, but many baptists are reformed, so relevant people are in the category Denomination Stream: Baptist AND Theology: Reformed.  However, the way the spreadsheet is set up, it does not allow categories to be combined in this way very easily.  If anyone has any bright ideas on this, feel free to post them.  I guess we could add a computed field, based on Baptist AND Reformed.  In the meantime, there is an alternative solution.  It's not pretty, but it should work, and it only needs to be created once.  After that, all of the data should change automatically.  This is the solution:

    Create a new collection called 'Full Library', using the rule Rating:>=0

    Create a collection called Theology: Not Baptist

    Drag Full Library to the 'plus these resources' section of Theology: Not Baptist

    Drag Denom. Stream: Baptist to the 'minus these resources' section of Theology: Not Baptist

    Create a collection called Theology: Not Reformed

    Drag Full Library to the 'plus these resources' section of Theology: Not Reformed

    Drag Theology: Reformed (Calvinist) to the 'minus these resources' section of Theology: Not Reformed

    Create a collection called Theology: Reformed Baptist

    Drag Full Library to the 'plus these resources' section of Theology: Reformed Baptist

    Drag Theology: Not Reformed and Theology: Not Baptist to the 'minus these resources' section of Theology: Reformed Baptist

    This should give all the resources currently marked as Baptist and Reformed.

    Hope that's clear.  It's quicker to do than to explain.

    [Edit: I've just shared copies of the collections Full Library, Theology: Not Reformed, Theology: Not Baptist and Theology: Reformed Baptist.  This should be easier and quicker than creating them from scratch.  Feel free to let me know whether they work.  I've only shared rule based collections up to now, but I can't see why these shouldn't work.  You may need to get copies in the order listed here, as Logos may get confused if it does not see the collections it needs to build the dependent collections.]

  • Andrew Baguley
    Andrew Baguley Member Posts: 641 ✭✭✭

    Please find the latest copy of the spreadsheet below.  I think I've included all the suggestions so far, including a category Philosopher, for philosophers who do not naturally fit another category.  Feel free to keep suggestions coming, and let me know if I've missed any, or if you notice any mistakes.

    The data is still far from complete, but it is getting better.  I just don't have the time to spend on this at the moment, so apologies the updating is so slow.

    As before, I've updated the collections available through the Faithlife post at https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/documents, and I've added a new denomination or two.  This is the easiest way to get the updates.  It should be automatic for those who have already accessed the collections this way.

    Here's a zipped copy of the spreadsheet:

    8255.Denominations and Theology 16 March 2014.zip