Microsoft Surface
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I understand your disappointment with Logos. I was frustrated with my iPad because of it's inability to do real work. So the week the Surface 2 came out I went to Best Buy and looked it over. When I saw that It had a Logos app listed in the software store I purchased the Surface 2 with the keyboard. You can imagine how horrified I was when I got it home and installed the Logos app and discovered that it was pretty much worthless. So I now have a Surface 2 and an iPad 64 gig wifi. Having used both for quite some time, I have reached the point that the only time I use the iPad is when I need to use Logos or read some journals that are only available on the iPad. I agree with comments about how poor the metro interface is on a desktop, but when using it on a Surface it really shines. When I use my iPad I feel like I have stepped into an OS stone age.
If Logos would just enable highlighting and synced notes I would be happy, but it doesn't look like they will do that. If they would do that I would even use it on my 8.1 desktop when reading books. But I really don't think they are listening to us.
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I think I understand. I do not use the Logos app at all. I only use the full blown Logos Bible Software on my SP3. In that regard, I am quite happy with having the ability to use all the features of the software on a my computer in tablet form. :-)
Here is my one suggestion for Logos though. The software started off in the Windows OS platform, and I would encourage continued growth in that arena. Windows is growing in functionality and mobility. Just take a look at Windows 8.1 and all the new features it embraces. Logos has many similarities with Adobe Photoshop. Both are at the top of their respective software fields. Both are capable of doing so much more than the average user could ever dream or imagine. Both were needing to update their UI to take advantage of the new Windows 8.1 OS.
Adobe has answered the call, and the touch-optimized Photoshop CC is now a thing of beauty. Logos Bible Software now looks a decade old in comparison. Multi-touch screens are no longer where we are going. They are where we are at. It would be absolutely awesome to see Logos upgrade their UI to take advantage of todays touch screen desktops, laptops, and yes, Surface Pro 3's!
PS. Just to put things in their proper context, I have been using Logos Bible Software since late 1995; starting with version 2.0. I have enjoyed watching the company and the software grow, and wish it only the very best. This may be for purely selfish reasons. My entire library is now almost exclusively in the Logos format.
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I had an Toshiba Android Tablet before I bought my Microsoft Surface. I use it as I teach and preach and find it much more practical for my needs. Having Microsoft office on the go and the cloud is awesome and android cannot compare. I use the Logos App to read on my surface. I would be extremely happy if Logos would allow it it to sync reading plans and highlight and sync notes as well.[^o)]
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Windows is growing in functionality and mobility. Just take a look at Windows 8.1 and all the new features it embraces.
Except that MS is realising that Win 8 went about it the wrong way by pushing the desktop below a low density Metro 'Start' interface, and that Win 8.1 didn't go far enough to appease users who decided to remain with XP or 7 (even Vista!). Hence the rush to get Win 9 to market by 2nd quarter 2015. I don't mind Win 8 with a third party Win 7 Start menu as it allows startup to the desktop and can do away with annoyances like the Charms bar on a non-touch computer. In that guise, Win 8 is a capable replacement for Win 7, but I won't go to 8.1 despite flashing annoying reminders that it is free. Imagine Logos doing that to Logos 4 users!
Dave
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Windows tablet sales -- tablets that use the Modern or "metro" interface -- are so low at this time to justify further development of the Modern Logos app. If Logos commits resources to develop the Modern app, they have to take those resources away from other projects. It is a matter of priorities. On the Logos desktop side, we are still looking for Logos to deliver the ability to sync PBBs across all of our mobile devices. I'd personally like Logos to commit resources to make the Logos desktop program to be touch-friendly and enabled. I don't want Logos to waste time and effort on developing programs few people use. Logos has demonstrated in the past that when they see users move toward a particular platform in scalable numbers (Mac, iOS, Android), they'll develop to it.
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I have a Microsoft Surface Pro 3 and the full Logos system runs on it without a drama. I have Logos Portfolio and it runs smoothly. Mind you will need the larger hard drive for all of the resources.
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I use the full Logos 5 on my Surface Pro, and use it hours every day. It runs so much better than on a desktop. No going back for me.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
I am very disappointed with Logos lack of attention to Surface You cannot even see what chapter you are in You can only read the book that is open and type in the book name chapter and verse you want to go to. That's all I have therefore bought additional Olive tree resources which works very well on surface
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Hello,
I am pointed to this thread while searching for the solution to store resources (even a couple of particular books) to Logos App on my Surface RT tablet. I saw there was a promise to add such feature later in the beginning of the thread but the thread is too long for me to trace all the way to the end and the discussion topics are many. Can someone simply give me a quick answer to my questions?
1. Is it possible to download a couple of resources to Surface RT to read offline as of now?
2. If yes, how can I find the feature (I tried every single way I can imagine but fail)?
3. If not, is there still a plan for it or it has been given up due to the small market share (for that i can give up my hope).
Frederick
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Hello,
I am pointed to this thread while searching for the solution to store resources (even a couple of particular books) to Logos App on my Surface RT tablet. I saw there was a promise to add such feature later in the beginning of the thread but the thread is too long for me to trace all the way to the end and the discussion topics are many. Can someone simply give me a quick answer to my questions?
1. Is it possible to download a couple of resources to Surface RT to read offline as of now?
2. If yes, how can I find the feature (I tried every single way I can imagine but fail)?
3. If not, is there still a plan for it or it has been given up due to the small market share (for that i can give up my hope).
Frederick
Faithlife has a Windows App on Community Pricing. But it is not gaining much traction - https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app
The old VERY BASIC Windows 8 App has been discontinued.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Windows RT is discontinued.
"These developments left Microsoft's future support of the platform in doubt. As of February 2015, with the end of production for both Surface 2 and Lumia 2520, Microsoft and its subsidiaries no longer manufacture any Windows RT devices. There is no equivalent to Windows RT for Windows 10, and Microsoft does not consider Windows RT devices to be compatible with Windows 10 Mobile, based on Windows Phone, was unveiled for use on tablets and smartphones with ARM architecture." Wikipedia
"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill
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Logos works really good on Surface Pro, and I wouldn't be interested in mobile app. Why moble if I can use with all features Desktop Version? But it would be nice if they would make it more touch screen friendly for W10 users.
"No man is greater than his prayer life. The pastor who is not praying is playing; the people who are not praying are straying." Leonard Ravenhill
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I just purchased this Surface Pro 4 in the last week. I am still getting used to it but so far I am very impressed.
Logos 6 runs like a dream and having the full software on such a portable device is great.
It feels like the killer hardware partner for Logos.
Logos is not a touch friendly program, but with the keyboard attached it is a real fit.
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Hi Shannon,
I had the Pro 2 and just upgraded the Pro 4. Really find it a good match with Logos and the portability. Had to get use to not opening extra windows like I use to with a multi-monitor set up but the trade off of sitting on the patio or at the beach and having all of Logos in my hand was worth it.
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While I like having the full version of Logos installed on my Surface Pro 3. Trying to navigate using touch is difficult or impossible depending on the size of your finger tips. Microsoft just released a new version of office that you can enable larger icons to make it easier to use the touch interface. If Logos had this feature my experience would be so much better. Another thing they could do is make it easier to go back and forth with scriptures.
Personally, I don't feel logos is concerned about the voice of it's Surface customers as I haven't seen any comments to our requests.
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While I like having the full version of Logos installed on my Surface Pro 3. Trying to navigate using touch is difficult or impossible depending on the size of your finger tips. Microsoft just released a new version of office that you can enable larger icons to make it easier to use the touch interface. If Logos had this feature my experience would be so much better. Another thing they could do is make it easier to go back and forth with scriptures.
Yes, the touch-friendly features - similar to MS Office - are very needed in Logos and many times requested already.
There is a little bit easier situation when you use Surface pen to navigate in Logos. Otherwise it is almost unusable, at least in my experience.
Bohuslav
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It is possible if necessary to use a blue tooth mouse, correct?
I am a bit saddened that Faithlife has been slow to respond to the many requests for touch features. Computers are getting smaller and the hybrid of a tablet and laptop seems to be the clearly what the future holds. I for one have started preaching with my notes in Logos, and am looking to eventually get a hybrid tablet/laptop which will have the full version of logos installed. Having it touch friendly would clearly be ideal.
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I suspect some of this lack of concern for the surface comes from the fact that we're dealing with a lot of Apple guys. The unique (and frankly confusng) menu structure of logos suggests a preference by the designers for the Mac.
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I'm now using a Toshiba 2 in 1 with an Core i7, 8 gigs of memory and an ssd. Windows 10 of course. But I would still like a win 10 tablet mode version for reading, highlighting and syncing when I'm reading books and journals instead of doing research.
I have to keep a Samsung android tablet just for when I want to read and highlight.
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I think Logos is the best Bible software, and most of us agree on that. The major reason that it is the best is the wonderful library of resources available through Logos.
However, I believe they have made a number of wrong steps in recent years. They have created a void that is being met by other software companies. One of their worst mistakes is not taking advantage of the tremendous advances in Windows. Their software has become somewhat mediocre in my opinion. And Logos software will be mediocre until they come into the Windows 10 touch world. No new "features" or data basis can overcome that.
That is just an honest opinion of someone who has used Logos for decades now, and will continue to do so. I am sure others disagree.
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I think you've nailed it there, David. As the cool factor of macs grew exponentially, and the behemoth that is MS continued to blunder along, Logos probably hired programmers and designers who were born with a mac in their cradle. Mac users seem to have trouble seeing anything good about MS products. There's just a general disinterest in them. The first time the guys at church (ALL mac users) saw my Surface they were quite excited - until I told them it was made by Microsoft. So it wouldn't surprise me if the mac guys at Logos have a similar disinterest in developing for Windows.
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There's just a general disinterest in them. The first time the guys at church (ALL mac users) saw my Surface they were quite excited - until I told them it was made by Microsoft. So it wouldn't surprise me if the mac guys at Logos have a similar disinterest in developing for Windows.
It was reported previously in another thread that several Faithlife developers own and use Surface Pro tablets. The current software is very much tied to Microsoft technologies. For instance Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) is a key technology which the current desktop applications depend upon. This WPF reliance impacts development for OS X.
I too am impatient for better support of the touch functionality in the Windows OS UI.
I have great respect for the development team at Faithlife.
I have been a customer for 20 years. In that time I have installed the software they produce on at least a score of different computers running various versions of Windows and OS X. Some of the computers had specifications significantly below the minimums suggested for the software which often impacted performance, yet the software never failed. I find the current software development continues to provide a robust product that runs well across the diversity of hardware and OSs I use.
There are plenty more things I would like to have in my Faithlife software though not at the expense of reliability and cross platform flexibility.
Regarding Windows touch UI support, I do suspect that developing to support OS X is a factor.
"The Christian mind is the prerequisite of Christian thinking. And Christian thinking is the prerequisite of Christian action." - Harry Blamires, 1963
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Logos works really good on Surface Pro, and I wouldn't be interested in mobile app. Why moble if I can use with all features Desktop Version? But it would be nice if they would make it more touch screen friendly for W10 users.
I am visiting this thread because of touch screen issues. It doesn't look like Logos has made improvements in the intervening nearly two years since your post. However, Microsoft apparently hasn't made it easy and has its own issues in this area.
I just started a new thread to try to get ideas on the virtual keyboard. I have a Surface Book. With the keyboard attached, it works just like a laptop except it is faster than my other laptops.
With the keyboard detached; i.e., tablet mode, there are problems. For instance, the touch keyboard does not appear automatically when a cursor is placed in a text field box. Forums on other products; e.g., Kindle Reader, have also complained about this. Apparently, the keyboard automation is not easily supplied for any desktop app. I have even noticed the problem with working with the Windows 10 system settings.However, Microsoft Edge, the new browser does seem to have this solved. This makes me think that Logos could deal with this if they had the energy.
While we are talking about the current Surface, I wish to point a really great upgrade to Windows which came with Windows 8; i.e., text to speech. The reading capability of Logos since Windows 8 has greatly improved. Give it a try!
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The full LOGOS 7 software works on the Microsoft Surface Pro line. The Surface runs in normal full Windows 10 mode as well as Tablet Mode, and LOGOS runs in both modes.
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The full LOGOS 7 software works on the Microsoft Surface Pro line. The Surface runs in normal full Windows 10 mode as well as Tablet Mode, and LOGOS runs in both modes.
Alan, welcome to the forums.
I just switched my Surface Pro 4 to tablet mode and it does appear that Logos is working in tablet mode. This hasn't been the case in the past. It's been buggy. I'm going to have to work with this a bit to make sure it is stable. If so, then I'll be happy because the only reason I have run my SP4 in laptop mode is because of Logos.
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I finally sold my SP1 Original and now have the SP3 which I may also sell to upgrade to the 4 some day soon. Praise God.
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