Microsoft Surface
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Aloha and good evening all
Been pouring over all the posts I can find dealing with Surface Pro 2. And I've just about convinced myself to go for it.
Being a computer geek by profession, I know there is no such ting as too much ram or storage. But the price jump from the 256gb to 512gb is pretty steep at $500.
so I am looking to you all for your input, thoughts and experiences
i really want t dump my iPad soon as possible. (wouldn't mind dumping the iPhone as well either)
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,Aloha and good evening all
Been pouring over all the posts I can find dealing with Surface Pro 2. And I've just about convinced myself to go for it.
Being a computer geek by profession, I know there is no such ting as too much ram or storage. But the price jump from the 256gb to 512gb is pretty steep at $500.
so I am looking to you all for your input, thoughts and experiences
i really want t dump my iPad soon as possible. (wouldn't mind dumping the iPhone as well either)
I went with the 256 GB because of that $500 price jump, and I have not regretted it. Still got the 8 GB RAM. And I added a 64 GB SD Card to give me over 300 GB of storage plus bought an external USB HD, which I have not needed yet.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
I chose to take the hit and maximize HD space so I got the 512Gig.
I've had the Surface for a few weeks now and am REALLY enjoying it... it's replaced my laptop completely. I especially am liking the nice crisp HD screen. Beautiful!
And of course, I loooooove having everything with me... full Logos, my stamp collecting software and so forth. Woohoo! [H]
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I also ended up taking the hit on the 512 because all of the 256's were 'sold out'. Yikes! I had no intention of spending that extra $500. So I really wrestled with what to do. My original plan was to just buy the 256 get a 64g SD card and an external HD because my Laptop only had 350g and I was always carrying around the 'Bag Of Stuff' which included my Ext HD. So, I just split up the payments and made the jump. Since then I'm glad I did because now I no longer have to carry around a 'BOS'. I actually didn't think I was going to love this thing and use it as much as I do. So i'm glad I did it. I copied everything I needed from my 4 y/o laptop to the Surface with tons of room to spare.
All of the basics that I need fits tightly into the cover made for the Surface Pro. The pocket is just large enough to hold the power supply, flat mouse, USB thumb drive, stylus, headphones in a hard pouch, a pen, and a small note pad. It. takes some packing skills but it works. I can travel 'light' with just one tablet case everywhere I go and if I need the 'BOS' then I just toss the tablet pouch into it and go. I never worry about having enough HD space and I don't have to worry about damaging in transit my 1, 2, or 3 TB Ext drives.
Pray about this one because this really is a great machine. If you don't think you'll need the space down the road and you don't mind having to carry a 'BOS' or don't have a 'BOS' then stay with the 256. But if you think you might use it for space hogging tasks or might start to love taking HD video and photos using the Surface and are planning to use the Surface extensively and replacing a laptop then you may want to wait till your budget strategy can allow you to take the hit for the 512.
- Windows 10 Pro
- Surface Pro
- Logos Gold
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Aloha and good morning once again
Microsoft just announced the new Surface Pro 3. 12-inch display, 2160x1440/215ppi (3x2 aspect ratio). Weighs less than the Pro 2 and is thinner. i7 processor with 8gb ram and 256gb ssd is $1549. Up the ssd to 512gb and the price goes to $1949. There are also models available with an i3 processor and i5 as well.
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Yes, Surface Pro 3 looks pretty good with a new larger size and lots of additional processing options up to i7. And of course the cost to go with it.
Check it out here:
( http://surface.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/html/pbPage.ProductDetails/Surface-Pro-3/productID.300190600?WT.mc_id=PromoEmail_NDA_PreOrder1_5-20-14_Body_Body )- Windows 10 Pro
- Surface Pro
- Logos Gold
- Proclaim
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You can pre-order now at the Surface Website.
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The best thing about the Surface Pro 3 is that we can now have full blown Logos running on a mobile tablet form factor. No limitations of an app!
Yes, I am aware that previous Surface Pros could do this as well, but the weight, size, hard edges, and heat kept me from making the leap.
Surface Pro 3 seems to answer all of my previous complaints, so I am now willing to drink the Kool-Aid!
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Full blown Logos has always been available on Surface Pro. This not new to just Surface Pro 3. The world is very slowly (VERY SLOWLY) waking up to the fact that Microsoft has actually done what many of us had hoped Apple would have done with the iPad. They have given us a tablet that can replace our laptop. For pastors like me, who are frequently NOT in the church office, this is fantastic news.
Full blown Logos that fits in my motorcycle saddle bag. Just wish I had known that Logos didn't have the "cool" app for Surface RT before I bought it.0 -
The best thing about the Surface Pro 3 is that we can now have full blown Logos running on a mobile tablet form factor. No limitations of an app!
Yes, I am aware that previous Surface Pros could do this as well, but the weight, size, hard edges, and heat kept me from making the leap.
Surface Pro 3 seems to answer all of my previous complaints, so I am now willing to drink the Kool-Aid!
I think it will work well for you Russell. I know the Surface Pro 2 has worked very well for me.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
Thanks. I think I will like it as well. I think the new 12" screen size along with the new configuration options will provide a nice mobile device that I can use for serious development work, research and reading (including my Bible study using Logos software). I am not a fan of apps (usually too limited), but I love the battery life, size and ease of use of a full-size tablet. I am looking forward to trying the new Surface Pro 3 out. God bless.
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I wish I had this advice when I was buying my SP2. I did not realize that the Windows stuff would take up more than half of the drive. My question is there a way that I can put some of the Logos material onto a MicroSD drive so that I can get it off the SP2 drive?
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is there a way that I can put some of the Logos material onto a MicroSD drive so that I can get it off the SP2 drive?
You can move as much as you like onto MicroSD but it begs the question "why not put it all there?".
Dave
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I know the Surface Pro 2 has worked very well for me.
Quick question, are you able to use the onscreen tablet input panel to handwrite text into Logos Notes? With Win 8.1 it stopped working on my Tablet.
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I know the Surface Pro 2 has worked very well for me.
Quick question, are you able to use the onscreen tablet input panel to handwrite text into Logos Notes? With Win 8.1 it stopped working on my Tablet.
Sorry, I just saw this, and I don't know. I use OneNote, and it works great. But I will find out and reply tomorrow.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley0 -
I have Logos 5 Platinum. When I upgraded I had to use several DVD's to do so. How would I be able to use my Logos on the Surface 3 since it does not have a CD/DVD drive?
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Todd, it will require you to use an external USB DVD drive. You can pick one up from Amazon for between $15-45. This is a good investment if you have a Surface Pro 3 since many programs still require a DVD drive to install.
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I have a Surface Pro 3 and did not see anyway to use the pen to write in Logos notes. I would be more than happy for someone to correct me. [:)]
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I have a Surface Pro 3 and did not see anyway to use the pen to write in Logos notes. I would be more than happy for someone to correct me.
You can't anyway, because it's broken. See: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/76689/602683.aspx#602683
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You should try downloading your program from your Logos account online. It will take a while, so plug your tablet in to keep it powered. I believe this will work just fine for your.
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I just upgraded from my Surface Pro 2... this thing ... is ... incredible. Ive had many devices, but none are as wonderful as the Surface Pro 3. I highly recommend it. That said, I want a better Logos reading experience. The Windows store app is really bad, and the full Logos 5 is not entirely optimal for reading. I hope that this device jumpstarts the Logos team's development of the Win 8 app.
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I don't think the Apple Fan Boys want to make a windows 8 verson
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I don't think the Apple Fan Boys want to make a windows 8 verson
I don't think it is a case of "Apple Fan Boys" it is just that the Metro interface is so bad. I am using three Windows 8 machines and the first program I installed on each was Start 8. Even MS knows they made a mistake. From what I have read about Windows 9, all non-touch machines will default to traditional mouse/keyboard desktops. It was not been economically justifiable for Logos to spend money on developing a Windows touch interface when so few people have purchased Windows RT machines and those who have Windows 8 machines are using the desktop rather than the Metro interface. I am sure if more people purchase Windows 8 tablets Logos will reconsider.
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I am sure if more people purchase Windows 8 tablets Logos will reconsider.
Most Windows Tablets use the Pro version of the OS rather than the RT which means users have the choice of using the desktop version or the Modern version. I would use the Modern version if it had feature parity with the desktop version, but it doesn't. I like the Modern UI because its finger friendly and visually cleaner. But I need the functionality more.
Right now the development path for Windows is unclear. Rumours are flying over how Win 9 will accommodate the two paradigms. With so much uncertainty, I don't blame Logos from making any big decisions until more certainty is possible.
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Keith, I suspect you are right for those with non-touch screens. But Windows 8 is very nice for my Surface Pro 2. I hardly think it is a mistake, and I suspect that more and more people will move that direction.I don't think the Apple Fan Boys want to make a windows 8 verson
I don't think it is a case of "Apple Fan Boys" it is just that the Metro interface is so bad. I am using three Windows 8 machines and the first program I installed on each was Start 8. Even MS knows they made a mistake. From what I have read about Windows 9, all non-touch machines will default to traditional mouse/keyboard desktops. It was not been economically justifiable for Logos to spend money on developing a Windows touch interface when so few people have purchased Windows RT machines and those who have Windows 8 machines are using the desktop rather than the Metro interface. I am sure if more people purchase Windows 8 tablets Logos will reconsider.
Even in its present non-touch screen form, Logos 5 runs better with my touch screen than it did without. If I have use it on a non-touch screen, I instinctively now reach up to screen to do something, only to remember, "Oh, yeah, I can't do that on this computer.". Tapping the non-touch screen harder doesn't help. Am I the only one who does that?
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Keith, I suspect you are right for those with non-touch screens. But Windows 8 is very nice for my Surface Pro 2. I hardly think it is a mistake, and I suspect that more and more people will move that direction.
Even in its present non-touch screen form, Logos 5 runs better with my touch screen than it did without. If I have use it on a non-touch screen, I instinctively now reach up to screen to do something, only to remember, "Oh, yeah, I can't do that on this computer.". Tapping the non-touch screen harder doesn't help. Am I the only one who does that?
Nope, you aren't the only one that does that. I used to do it after using my Apple Newton eMate!
I think the problem is not just a question of touchscreens. I don't mind using the Metro style apps in Windows 8 with just a mouse and keyboard, but quite often the apps I want to use don't come with a Metro version anyway, so I'm forced back into the Desktop mode by default.
Having done the hard yards with introducing Charms, I'm disappointed that there is a rumour going around that MS is going to back track on this too and drop them.
It's this backtracking that creates uncertainty for developers. Small wonder Logos is taking a wait and see stance.
They need to take a page out of their own experiences with Windows XP. Significant changes were made, people said they hated it but after a while it all died down and in XP's case look at how many people wanted to retain it!
I use Windows products for my laptop, desktop, tablet and smartphone. I can see the sense of having a device agnostic interface. I just wish they did a better job of harmonizing them than they currently do. You can still tell that separate teams developed each of them and so there are annoying UX inconsistencies.
Be brave Microsoft. Stick to your guns. Push through. Your original vision was the right one. In KJV-speak: gird up your loins. By all means, allow users to use their legacy apps, but keep developing Metro and improving its usability without losing the genius it is. I'd love to see a Metro version of MS Office. I'd upgrade in a heartbeat. Everyone is going to have a tablet one day. Lead the way, get in front of the issue. I've heard it said that we want improvement without change. You'd think with over 30 years of PCs we'd be more open to change.
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I know LOGOS is a business, and it has to make decisions according to the statistics available. Windows 8.1 platform just isn't being adopted by that many. I do have to wonder, however, if the percentage is a little higher among clergy. I know I have seen a number of other pastors in my area pick up a Surface Pro for their work. I'm not sure what other pastor's lives are like, but between regional meetings and shut-in visits, I frequently find myself doing more of my sermon prep in mall food courts and Starbucks' lobbies than I do in my church office. Prior to getting the Surface Pro 3, I had to either choose the mobility of my Android tablet, or the productivity of my laptop, before leaving the house in the morning. Or, if I couldn't make up my mind, I had to haul both. Really, that was very impractical. My SP3 has really been revolutionary for me. Getting to use full blown LOGOS without having to haul my laptop, and experience the awkwardness of using my laptop while sitting in an armchair at Starbucks, has been wonderful. What has not been wonderful is the very lousy Windows app for LOGOS. With my android, I would easily use it for reading. With the Windows app, if there is a book I really want to read, I am much more likely to order it through Kindle and read it with the Kindle app.
I know I am in the extreme minority, but I think at some point LOGOS will start losing out by not creating a Windows version of the app they have available on iOS and android.0 -
I agree [Y]
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Jeremy wrote: "My SP3 has really been revolutionary for me. Getting to use full blown LOGOS without having to haul my laptop, and experience the awkwardness of using my laptop while sitting in an armchair at Starbucks, has been wonderful. What has not been wonderful is the very lousy Windows app for LOGOS."
I don't think I am tracking with you. If you are using your SP3 and the full blown Logos - what very lousy Windows app are you talking about? Why use an app at all if you can use the full blown Logos Bible Software on your SP3? If you are wanting to read a book, open the book in Logos and press F11 to view it in Reading mode.
I purchased an SP3 with an i5 processor, 8 GB of RAM, and a 256 GB solid state hard drive. Logos runs beautifully on it, and the SP3 is so small and light, I can take it anywhere. Recommend it highly!
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I admit, I spewed far more vitriol than was necessary. In large part, I still grieve over having originally bought a Surface RT, and discovered how impractical the LOGOS app was compared to the Android version I had used previously. Here's the thing, the LOGOS app for Windows is functional. You can read it like a book. But if you suddenly decide you want to highlight a section, or copy/paste into some notes somewhere while you're reading, you will need to open the full LOGOS program, find the book in there, and then find the section you were reading in the app, and THEN highlight/copy. Not only that, if you are reading through a book that uses a scripture reference, and you just want to reference the Bible while you're reading, the split-screen ability is not available within LOGOS. Fortunately, all Surfaces come with the ability to split screen with its own apps, so you could still have a separate Bible app open, but this is nothing like the automatic split-screen opening of the iOS and Android app.
"Very lousy" was probably way too strong. "Cumbersome for my purposes" is more like it. Truth is, if I had never experienced the Android LOGOS app, and had just gone straight to the SP3 as my first tablet, I would simply be singing the praises of technology, and would have never posted here. Unfortunately, I have experienced this other thing, and long for it again. I just want to have it all. Is greed an attractive Christian trait? Probably not.
Like others have said, all things considered, LOGOS is okay so long as you have a pro version of Windows 8.1 on your tablet. As an SP3 user, I'm hardly suffering. Just want to encourage LOGOS to take note of what is going on, and would really hate to see them miss an opportunity. Know what I mean?0
