Timeframe for full implementation of Logos 4 Mac?
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Are you saying I should buy Windows 7 and in Parallels or Boot Camp L4 will work fine?
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Ron Ross said:
I have Windows XL (disc) but it refuses to install into Parallels (On my Macbook); I don't use Windows. What is L4 Windows?
Ron
Do you mean Windows XP? What problems are you having loading it into Parallels? Which version of Parallels?
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Ron Ross said:
Are you saying I should buy Windows 7 and in Parallels or Boot Camp L4 will work fine?
I am using L4 Windows under Parallels and Windows XP. Several people on these forums have said that Windows 7 is faster, but I am getting satisfactory service from XP. If you do not presently own a copy of Windows, and want to run L4 on Windows, I would recommend Windows 7, as XP is a dead-end and Vista drove a lot of long-time Windows users to the Mac.
Feel free to ask all the questions you have.
OOPS. I did not really answer your question. I have never used Boot Camp, but I am now running Windows under Parallels 5 and getting very good performance from Logos 4. Parallels gives you the advantage of having both Operating Systems available at the same time.
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JackCaviness said:
Vista drove a lot of long-time Windows users to the Mac.
Vista drove me to Mac, which turned out to be a blessing in disguise! [H]
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Ron Ross said:
Are you saying I should buy Windows 7 and in Parallels or Boot Camp L4 will work fine?
Ron, I certainly wouldn't spend that much money to buy Windows just so you can run the full version of L4 a couple of months earlier than you'll be able to run it in OSX. If you're like me you switched to Mac because you got tired of dealing with lousy MS software. I'm not about to put a MS OS on my Mac. I would advise that you just be patient and let the Logos team finish L4 for Mac.
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me too; I abandoned the Windows ship because of Windows, so am really looking fwd to "feature parity" on Logos.
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I bought the Mac because it was better, I bought the Logos software 2000 dollar version for Mac and was never told about the Alpha version, thought that to be a little crazy, They sent me like four different versions of Logos, so I put it on my Mac and a PC. Lucky I had a PC or I would have been very disappointed. Great software though. IS PC Four running fully yet or they still working on things? thanks guys.
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Stuart Guthrie said:
IS PC Four running fully yet or they still working on things?
Logos 4 Windows is working well. They are still adding features all the time and are just about to roll out 4.0a. To see what features to expect in the coming months, point your browser to: http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures
The Mac version is in Alpha. Sorry you didn't know what to expect. We have put together a small page on it here: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Mac Like you, we are more than a little anxious to see Logos 4 Mac to hit the beta and final release stages. When this will be done, remains yet to be seen... though it has made huge progress in the last seven weeks.
Hang in there and if there is anything we can do to ease the L4 Mac pain, just let us know.
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Hey, I'm a dedicated Mac user. I certainly appreciate the response and input from everyone.
I'm also a bible teacher and can't wait to get into the excellent Logos library.
All the comments are much appreciated
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At this stage of development I can not see 6 months as a possible release date. As useless as these alphas currently are it looks to me to be more in the 18 month - 24 month time frame before a final product release. Maybe 6 to 8 months before a good beta.
I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.
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Gary Byrd said:
I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.
Gary, what you may not be taking into consideration is that the Mac team is only working on the UI that interfaces the common code of L4. So, while they have no easy job, there is a large body of code that is already been implemented in L4Win, they are finding ways to interact with it on the Mac side. So, while I don't know how long it will really take, I would be willing to be that Bob's estimate is not that far off.
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Gary Byrd said:
At this stage of development I can not see 6 months as a possible release date. As useless as these alphas currently are it looks to me to be more in the 18 month - 24 month time frame before a final product release. Maybe 6 to 8 months before a good beta.
I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.
With the codes already in the program I think we are just waiting on features to be added. Also Bob (the CEO) said that it would be more like 6 months and although he did say don't hold him to it, I do think thats our best chance and time frame! And thats my prayer! I can't wait!
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Jerry Walker said:Gary Byrd said:
At this stage of development I can not see 6 months as a possible release date. As useless as these alphas currently are it looks to me to be more in the 18 month - 24 month time frame before a final product release. Maybe 6 to 8 months before a good beta.
I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.
With the codes already in the program I think we are just waiting on features to be added. Also Bob (the CEO) said that it would be more like 6 months and although he did say don't hold him to it, I do think thats our best chance and time frame! And thats my prayer! I can't wait!
Yeah, I think Gary is assuming that they have to code every feature from scratch. It's only the UI that needs to be finished. Still not an easy task, but certainly doable in 6 months or so.
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David Hilty said:
It's only the UI that needs to be finished. Still not an easy task, but certainly doable in 6 months or so.
I totally agree and I think it would be a great thing if it could be done in that time frame....
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Hi Gary, just curious as to your basis for this conclusion.Gary Byrd said:At this stage of development I can not see 6 months as a possible release date. As useless as these alphas currently are it looks to me to be more in the 18 month - 24 month time frame before a final product release. Maybe 6 to 8 months before a good beta.
I do hope I am wrong, but after spending time with A5 - A9 it is very clear to me that L4M is a loooong, long way from being complete.
How familiar are you with writing code and software development? What is your background in this area?
Have you ever participated in an Alpha / Beta project like this before? How long ago.
Thanks for the further insight.
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I code for the Mac platform nearly everyday of my life for the last 8 years. I have experience in starting projects from scratch and following them though completion (if there is such a thing). I do create products for public consumption in the Mac community .... some of them you may be familiar with.
I code in Obj-C, Obj-j, Realbasic, .... not to mention javascript, html, & css.
I was not intending to slam Logos 4 for Mac ... I was just making an observation that it looks to me to have too many things not yet completed to have wrapped up in 6 months. An application the size of Logos 4 for Mac is no small feat.
As for participating in Alpha/Beta testing ... I regularly participate in many of them from both sides of the spectrum ... as the one testing the releases and the one providing the releases.
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Well, I hope I am wrong too ... I will be happy to eat crow if a good beta is released by May ...
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Mobile Development Team Lead
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LOL ... I guess I deserved that ...
Again, I apologize if my remarks were offensive to anyone they were not intended that way. Its just that I do realize how great of an undertaking building an app like Logos 4 really is.
Perhaps what i have not taken into account is the development team of L4M. I made assumptions based purely on what I see in the alpha releases. I am quite certain that the developers that Logos has employed for this great task are more than qualified and motivated.
I take back my 18 - 24 month time frame
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No offense taken. Just a little more "motivation" to make the greatest Bible study software for Mac ever created.
Mobile Development Team Lead
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You remarked that Vista drove you to Mac which turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Is it legal for a Mac user to say "Mega dittos on that!"? If so, I'll say it, otherwise you never heard it from me!
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Tommy Turnbow said:
Is it legal for a Mac user to say "Mega dittos on that!"?
He is a Mac user, after all, but don't tell everyone.
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Actually just a blessing. No disguise!
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Hi Gary, I think you read some sarcasm into my comment I did not intend. Twice now you have apologized if your comments were offensive, so please let me assure you they were not offensive in any way. You were just sharing your educated guess on development. There is no shame in that brother. And I was totally serious in my last comment as well. I am looking for a win win! Logos needs skilled developers, you have skills. If you were right in your timeline, then join the Logos team and make sure we reach the 6 month timeline. Users, like me, win for getting it faster, and you wont need to eat crow for guessing to long since your skills would have helped speed up the timeline. That is a win all around!!! :-)
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Unfortunately many people are complaining, so let me toss in my sincere "Thank You." I originately started my experience with "CD Word" produced by Dallas Theological Seminary, Partially panicked when i read that Dallas Theological was dropping or selling the CD Word, until I talked either to you or the other half of your staff during those early days. Both of you were working out of a basement. You heard of my concern, and assured me that when you were ready with the new LOGOS Produce, you would grandfather me in. Every since then, you have allowed me to fly at no cost, until I recently upgraded, which I am very thankful. I also recently upgraded from PC to MAC, and I am very appreciative that I have a working MAC "alpha" version to work with while you guys continue to master the MAC coding. I am less than 3 months from turning to 70 years of age, so don't take too long. <grin>
Thank you, and thank you again.
Thomas R Waters Jr
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I've been using Logos a long time, too! I bought my first program while at Asbury Theological Seminary (1995-1997) on the recommendation of Dr. Ben Witherington III. I've loved it, even more than Hermanuetica, which I tried for a while.
I hate Mac always being the "red-headed step-child," but that may also be the reason why the virus people leave us alone. I'm sure the team will get us up to speed ASAP.
Do you guys have someone who can help us run a Windows version in a partition?
Thanks,
Sandy Douglass
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Sandy Douglass said:
Do you guys have someone who can help us run a Windows version in a partition?
Are you wanting to run Windows on your Mac? You can use an emulator to create a virtual machine. This would allow you to run both Mac and Windows at the same time on the same computer. There are three of these available: 1) Parallels 5 (see the second link in my signature for setup hints), 2) VMWare Fusion 3, and 3) Virtual Box. Parallels and Fusion are commercial products, and either one will give good service. I know nothing about Virtual Box.
As an alternative, you can create a Boot Camp partition and run either Mac or Windows, but not both at the same time. Its advantage is that it will run Windows faster.
If you have further questions, you should start a new thread as your post could easily be lost in this very old, long dead thread.
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I'm running XP in VirtualBox on my MacBook Pro with Snow Leopard. Logos 4 seems to work just fine for my setup.
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