Rejoice Christian Software out of business?
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DMB said:
The only thing that can overcome the problem of course is the markup
The average price I have spent on my Logos library is less than $5 a book. That includes Anchor Yale Bible, NICOT/NICNT, and a host of other premium titles. I believe Bob when he says the profit margin is under one percent. The publishers demand their cut. The authors must be paid. The page scanners are not cheap. The Logos employees have families to feed.
I, too, like Libronix a lot. But John can avoid a lot of personal angst by just ignoring Logos. Libronix will still do everything it could before. Logos 5 can just do more. Whining about a $10 Bible seems socialist to me. [:|] ("I want it for free.")
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Mr. Tramp, I take unbelievable offense at you implying Libronix users and trolls should be included under the mantra of 'socialist'. I see absolutely nothing wrong with demanding difficult-to-write improvements to Logos software, usability on every possible piece of computer hardware I own, absolutely perfect resource links, and periodically questioning the ability of the Logos developers, while turning my nose up at paying for it. It's no wonder your first name is 'Super'.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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John said:
Not so long ago, God used the printing press to make his word freely available to all men. Today men are using copyright laws to lock it up again. If you pay their price, an arbitrarily set price that in no way reflects the costs of reproduction, they will unlock it for you.
KJV can still be had for $1 in some stores. It is at least 95% of the Word of God.
And there are free versions of Bible Software available. It is the other 5% and all the goodies that cost.
[["freely available" Question: what version was given away for free to all takers from day one? I know organizations that give out free bibles but they cost the organization.]]
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DMB said:
I see absolutely nothing wrong with demanding difficult-to-write improvements to Logos software, usability on every possible piece of computer hardware I own, absolutely perfect resource links, and periodically questioning the ability of the Logos developers, while turning my nose up at paying for it.
Finally, the voice of reason...
"As any translator will attest, a literal translation is no translation at all."
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Super Tramp said:
Nothing he said was false. And by your own admission the Study Bible is not $30, $40, or $50.
My experience with Logos is more like the hidden treasure. I sold all that had and bought over 10,000 books. I think it is great. I would gladly pay $40 for a Japanese Bible in Logos.
The ESV Study Bible retails at $49.99. Same price as the Logos edition. Nothing I have typed here says otherwise.I tried looking for the hidden treasure too. It locked up a very powerful computer and crashed dozens of times before I ever got to the point where I could look for any treasure.0 -
DMB said:
Mr. Tramp, I take unbelievable offense at you implying Libronix users and trolls should be included under the mantra of 'socialist'.
You're right. I find it hard to believe you are offended because I said "socialist" in reference to wanting Bibles for free instead of paying for them. I was not talking about features or the user interface of the software. I wasn't even saying "socialist" is a bad thing. But no socialist economy that I know of has produced Bible software worth having. In our free enterprise system a company must make a profit to exist. Hence Rosie's statement that Rejoice Christian Software may have operated without a profit for too long and Logos is appropriately priced.
John's beef about Bible unlocks in Logos is without merit. He wants something for free and it shows. It isn't a Libronix thing with him. He'd jump on Logos 5 if they gave it way for free. That is a socialist mindset, IMHO.
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Halo Hound said:
Then I will be interested to see how long you will be able to sustain the model without going out of business.
In the long run the only model that will "win" is free and open source. And that is as it should be. Nobody can "own" the scriptures.
I have no intention of doing anything you suggest and I have not a clue as to what made you think I did. I am a programmer and I have the technical ability. And if I did take on such a project, I can assure you it would be rock solid and bug free before any "new feature" ever got added.
But why reinvent the wheel? If I want well written commercial Bible software, there is Bibleworks and Wordsearch. And if I want a free package there is eSword and many others.
The important thing to watch is the growing number of FREE resources available on FREE platforms like eSword.
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Super Tramp said:
Whining about a $10 Bible seems socialist to me.
("I want it for free.")Congratulations, on completely missing the point.
And if spending money on Bible software ensure that a person is NOT a socialist, then you can rest assured I am not. I have spent thousands, and continue to spend money to upgrade my other software. I would also continue spending to upgrade Logos if they could present a bug-free package that was ready for market. I'm not interested in being a perpetual beta tester.
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John said:
I would also continue spending to upgrade Logos if they could present a bug-free package that was ready for market. I'm not interested in being a perpetual beta tester.
Has Microsoft produced bug-free software? How about Apple?
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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David Ames said:
And there are free versions of Bible Software available.
Question: what version was given away for free to all takers from day one? I know organizations that give out free bibles but they cost the organization.
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Super Tramp said:
Do you get paid to program? So much for free source.
Congratulations on missing the point yet again [:D]
You seem to have a rare talent in that area [Y]
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abondservant said:
John seems to have a lot of anger invested against Logos
I do not know if it will do any good or not, but I did report your post. You might be immature enough to think that revealing someone else's personal information on this forum is a clever thing to do, but I am guessing that Logos as a company will consider their privacy policy more important than your childish behavior.
I do not know if you are a Logos employee or are just getting information from one, but however you obtained it, it was an illegal action.
And for the record, there is no need for you to call me friend. Your actions have spoken much louder than your words.
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George Somsel said:
Has Microsoft produced bug-free software? How about Apple?
Let me guess George, you are going to say that because there are bugs in those companies software that this excuses the Logos software from being bug free?That wasn't hard to guess [H]0 -
John said:
In the long run the only model that will "win" is free and open source. And that is as it should be. Nobody can "own" the scriptures.
When I see free and open source programs providing WBC with the free package I'll be very excited!
John said:And if I did take on such a project, I can assure you it would be rock solid and bug free before any "new feature" ever got added.
John said:I am a programmer and I have the technical ability. And if I did take on such a project, I can assure you it would be rock solid and bug free before any "new feature" ever got added.
Being a programmer does not make you a businessman and when you are talking about the cost of resources the business side is at least as important as the programming side. I would be willing to wager that if you produced a truly competitive program to Logos it would not be free.
John said:But why reinvent the wheel? If I want well written commercial Bible software, there is Bibleworks and Wordsearch.
No doubt about it Bibleworks is great software if it meets your needs. Personally I find the menu and icon structure to be way too complicated. It's been a while since I've used Wordsearch but wasn't too fond of it when I did.
John said:And if I want a free package there is eSword and many others.
It is great to have a product like eSword available to those whose needs are met by it. However I would point out that it charges money for some translations of the Bible.
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george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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John said:
Let me guess George, you are going to say that because there are bugs in those companies software that this excuses the Logos software from being bug free? That wasn't hard to guessGeorge Somsel said:Has Microsoft produced bug-free software? How about Apple?
I intended for it to be easy to guess since I wanted to be sure that even you would understand.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Halo Hound said:
It is great to have a product like eSword available to those whose needs are met by it. However I would point out that it charges money for some translations of the Bible.
eSword charges a fee for certain Bible translations where the publishers require it. But the ESV is free along with many others. You will not see eSword charging a fee for translations that are available free elsewhere. See what I mean?
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John said:
See what I mean?
Yes, I do. How much is the Lexham English Bible with eSword? NKJV with eSword is $14.99, Logos is $10.00. I am in no way trying to raise questions about eSword's practices. 14.99 may have been the best deal they could work out with the publisher. I have absolutely no doubt about eSword's character. I also trust Logos. If I did not appreciate the capabilities Logos gives me I would not pay for the product. I understand you believe differently and I respect that. I don't necessarily respect the manner in which you state it, but I do respect the fact that you believe Logos is not a good value.
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George Somsel said:
I hadn't heard of that computer before. What OS did it run? Was it before the Univac?
Or did you mean it was written in Arc?
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George Somsel said:
I intended for it to be easy to guess since I wanted to be sure that even you would understand.
Never been a problem understanding. I have always understood your positions, just disagreed with them [H]
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John said:
Congratulations on missing the point yet again
Umm, let's see.
- Straw man #1: high cost of Bible unlocks. Dealt with.
- Straw man #2: buggy software. Dealt with.
- Straw man #3: bad business model. Dealt with.
Ohhh, It is that open source banana pudding again. Now we see. The grapes were probably sour anyway.
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John said:
... I am a programmer and I have the technical ability. And if I did take on such a project, I can assure you it would be rock solid and bug free before any "new feature" ever got added.
Logos is hiring software developers => http://www.logos.com/jobs/SoftwareDeveloper
Wiki has => http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_Speaks with links to various threads that include release early and often.
John said:But why reinvent the wheel? If I want well written commercial Bible software, there is Bibleworks and Wordsearch. And if I want a free package there is eSword and many others.
Wonder about Bible Software alternative to Visual Filter Highlighting in Logos 4/5 that can combine hundreds of searches for simultaneous display of morphological tagging in English and Greek resources ? For example, Mathew 6:9-13 has seven verbs in the imperative mood. Matthew 6:3, 6:16, and 6:19 have imperative mood verbs that are preceded by negation. Thankful can see range of verbal expression in Logos 4/5:
Apologies: personally not know how to highlight negation before an imperative mood in Libronix 3 => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/67388/470148.aspx#470148 In Logos 4/5 can use a proximity search: @BN BEFORE 1 WORD @V??M
John said:The important thing to watch is the growing number of FREE resources available on FREE platforms like eSword.
Please keep watching the growing number of FREE resources for FREE Logos Bible Software use. Thankful for 2,122 FREE resources in my Logos 5 and Logos 4 installations. Perseus collections have 1,743 resources. Logos offers a FREE monthly resource => http://www.logos.com/free-book-of-the-month Vryso has offered 365 FREE ebooks, which recently included John Piper's Preparing for Marriage: Help for Christian Couples => http://vyrso.com/product/30856/preparing-for-marriage-help-for-christian-couples
Noticed Vyrso now has over 11,000 eBooks available.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Rosie Perera said:George Somsel said:
I hadn't heard of that computer before. What OS did it run? Was it before the Univac?
Or did you mean it was written in Arc?
I have it on good authority that Japheth was the programmer on that project. [;)]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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John said:abondservant said:
John seems to have a lot of anger invested against Logos
I do not know if it will do any good or not, but I did report your post. You might be immature enough to think that revealing someone else's personal information on this forum is a clever thing to do, but I am guessing that Logos as a company will consider their privacy policy more important than your childish behavior.
I do not know if you are a Logos employee or are just getting information from one, but however you obtained it, it was an illegal action.
And for the record, there is no need for you to call me friend. Your actions have spoken much louder than your words.
Actually, I clicked on your profile, and looked back at your posts... Most of them are quite negative. The reason I started was because I thought I remembered you from the l5 roll out causing troubles. Turns out I did. I also saw that you used your real name as your forum handle. since you freely supplied the information, to a public site, nothing illegal. any way, I am done. Also, I should point out, that a quick google search of your name in conjunction with programmer, would reveal your linkedin account. One might be able to find out the name of your "software" company - I did so just to ensure I do not now, nor in the future do business with You on accident.
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abondservant said:
Actually, I clicked on your profile, and looked back at your posts... Most of them are quite negative. The reason I started was because I thought I remembered you from the l5 roll out causing troubles. Turns out I did. I also saw that you used your real name as your forum handle. since you freely supplied the information, to a public site, nothing illegal. any way, I am done. Also, I should point out, that a quick google search of your name in conjunction with programmer, would reveal your linkedin account. One might be able to find out the name of your "software" company - I did so just to ensure I do not now, nor in the future do business with You on accident.
Last night after reporting your post I found the "leak" of personal information. I was also able to find out quite a bit about you, including your real name. Unlike yourself, I am not so immature as to post it here publicly, as I can see that you changed your real name to a nic.And you are a huge liar in your statement that I "freely provided the information to a public site". As I recall when I first created an account on the forum it defaulted to your real name, and then I had changed it. I have never posted on this forum using my real name. As the Logos software has bugs, so the Logos forum has privacy holes in it. Privacy holes so big that any idiot is able to see your real name. And what idiots CAN do, as we all know, idiots WILL do. Thank you for demonstrating.The purpose of this forum is to discuss Logos software. And as much as you might not like it, that is what I was doing here in this thread. Even in my responses to your personal attacks, I stuck to the topic. After reading some of your posts in other threads, it is clear that discussing Logos software is not your primary purpose for being here.And I see that you have boasted about digging up peoples personal information in other threads. It is interesting that you are engaging in this type of behavior while at the same time calling yourself a Christian of some sort. Must be one of those "Christian in name only" denominations where personal behavior does not have to change. Yes you are a bondservant all right. But obviously not to any God taught in my Bible.As to your last jab about not doing business with me, I hardly think that you would ever be in a position to hire me. You can't afford it.I will await the Logos response to my complaint. If they address your action on here, then I will know that they are sincere in their privacy statement.0 -
Logos is hiring software developers => http://www.logos.com/jobs/SoftwareDeveloper
Thanks for the tip, this one made me smile. But I know they would never hire me after complaining about their software so much [:D]Besides, I do C and C++, and I believe .NET is morally and technologically devoid of the right to exist. I avoid programming fads. I stick with the tried and true. For Windows I still use MFC. Even for new projects. You can't develop bugfree and reliable software if the platform itself isn't.0 -
You do indeed have posts under that name. My name is freely available to anyone who chooses to look. With my name, you can find my domain address, and with my domain my former mailing address is also discoverable. *shrug* tis the way of the internet. I Ken Baker - have nothing to hide.
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Yes, I remember that a while back (back when you could set your own ID the same as others' IDs). That was when George got mad at 'himself'. For a long time I had my real name, then switched to initials, but Logos switched me back for a while and then switched me again. Then there was the problem of the software displaying peoples' email addresses instead of their ID. That problem still exists, except now it displays the user's ID number.
But back to Rejoice, this arguing about who is the worst person (I'm the worst ... no, no ... you're FAR better than me ... ) DOES move the Rejoice Christian Software question to the top regularly and apparently thousands of forum readers don't know what happened to Rejoice. That's statistically curious (you'd think there were some in North Carolina or Florida nearby), but troubling as well. He was a very nice guy.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I don't know if pod people invaded and are now running Rejoice or what, but it is certainly disappointing to see such a huge decline in their quality of service (especially the lack of communication with customers).
I had very good experiences buying from Rejoice until the middle of 2012. They seemed like good people who were genuinely trying to please their customers with great deals and honest service.
Then it seemed like something massively changed. Some orders came through, but others didn't, and any possible attempt to contact them received absolutely no response.
I still get periodic emails from eBay showing their newly listed items. I just got one yesterday which shows several new things listed for sale. So apparently someone at Rejoice is still posting things for sale.
The email from eBay also showed the buyer feedback from the past month, which was 23 positive, 6 neutral and 8 positive. So at least a third of the people buying from Rejoice on eBay are rating their transactions less than positive.
Maybe someone new is now running the business, or maybe they are just scrambling to keep the business alive and have given up on customer service. I really don't know.
If anyone gets any word about what might be happening there, I'd love to know. My prayers are certainly with them.
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abondservant said:
You do indeed have posts under that name. My name is freely available to anyone who chooses to look. With my name, you can find my domain address, and with my domain my former mailing address is also discoverable. *shrug* tis the way of the internet. I Ken Baker - have nothing to hide.
If you think anybody on here cares what your former domain or address is, well, what can i say? Nobody cares. You are really not that important. The real issue here is your immature and inconsiderate behavior.I am amazed that you continue lying on this forum and believe it doesn't matter. Your false claim that I have posts under a different name should be easy to prove. Show us the link to those posts. If you cannot provide a link, then stop your lying.
It is also a false presumption on your part that I or anyone else who uses a nic on a forum has "something to hide". Get real, you are using a nic yourself!
In any case, I did report your immature and unchristian behavior to the forum moderators ... who as far as I can tell have done absolutely nothing. I received no reply and your message is still there. So congratulations on your victory, it is a big score for all the trolls. They all know now that Logos will do nothing.
I will not bother taking this to a higher level. But be careful, someday you might just provoke the wrong type of person and come to regret it later. In life you will encounter enough trouble as it is. No need to go looking for it, or worse, create it needlessly for others.
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Well, pod people at least seem to have better results (on eBay). I'd certainly like to have egg on face for surmising his demise (and someone else selling off the inventory independently).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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"John" & "abondservant", please stop. Please. If you must continue, take it off line.
Grace & Peace,
Bill
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I have a hardcopy of the Archaeological Study Bible. I found a nifty Bible cover on eBay that fits it. I proceeded to order it when I noticed it is listed by the user aka Rejoice Christian Software in other circles. I was very hesitant to order it because the eBay account has had 14 complaints in the last three weeks. I did finally hit the "Buy" button. I will let you know if I get my Bible cover.
Of course, I would prefer to buy the Bible cover from Logos but they don't sell the Archaeological Study Bible yet. (hint, hint)
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I've seen the ASB several times and am tempted (but not beyond what I'm able to bear(?), purse-wise). My dream book would be the ASB on steroids. Every mention of 'somewhere' woud either point to a archaeology discussion, pictures, or a nearby note. It'd maybe be 5 volumes or so. I think this would be a great project for the Logos folks, since archaeology is just not 'big' on Logos.com.
It's interesting that our concerns about RS demonstrate another thing we take for granted: ordering from Logos is pretty 'thought-less'. Just do it.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Spurgeon said:
Any updates? Made a purchase about a year ago but never arrived. Tried reaching out several times without any response. Got an email a while back saying they were in the process of moving and so response is lagging. Really not sure what's going on over there.
I used to get weekly RCS newsletters via email - last one received on 8/16/12. Though I used to order from them frequently 8 - 10 years ago, I can think of only one order I've made since the onset of Logos 4. I've always got great service from them.
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Super Tramp said:
I was very hesitant to order it because the eBay account has had 14 complaints in the last three weeks. I did finally hit the "Buy" button. I will let you know if I get my Bible cover.
I should have hesitated a little longer. I was just informed by eBay (after I paid[:(]) that my Bible cover listing was pulled by eBay. Apparently all listings by xara*** are pulled. Hope it is just temporary.
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Sorry to resurrect this thread and maybe it's already been said but it seems like the Rejoice Christian website has finally shutdown. Therefore I think it's fair to say that it's out of business. Sorry if you lost your money.
All the best,
ChelseaFC
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ChelseaFC said:
Sorry to resurrect this thread and maybe it's already been said but it seems like the Rejoice Christian website has finally shutdown. Therefore I think it's fair to say that it's out of business. Sorry if you lost your money.
And my prayer is that this will never happen to Logos and in turn to those who have invested in it.
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I received a full refund for my cancelled eBay order from RCS. I do not know if it was initiated by PayPal or RCS. My email attempts were not answered. Too bad. I was hoping to buy The Biblical Archaeologist CD from them. Logos.com no longer carries it. [:'(]
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Super Tramp said:
I received a full refund for my cancelled eBay order from RCS. I do not know if it was initiated by PayPal or RCS. My email attempts were not answered. Too bad. I was hoping to buy The Biblical Archaeologist CD from them. Logos.com no longer carries it.
Did you cancelled the order or was it cancelled for you? What's the e-bay address? I was hoping to get the BECNT 8 Vols. from them. It was/is $149.95. And then get the upgrade with 7 vols. from Logos, but I guess if I want them I'll have to pray for Baker to allow Logos to give at least a good 25% off on the bundle so I can afford it. Hopefully Rejoice will be back some time soon. At least that's the impression I got whenever they emailed saying they were moving to a new bigger facility and then that's it, pufffff....they disappeared. A little disappointing but I guess we'll never know exactly what made them just disappear from the public. They were really good with their Logos specials, I really miss them.
DAL
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Does anybody live in the Sanford, FL area that could maybe take a drive by their address and see if there is a notice or anything posted?
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After I paid for my Bible cover I got a notice from "eBay security" saying the item was cancelled. I found ALL of their listings were pulled, everything. On rare occasions a Seller can recover from this situation. But for now RCS is not selling on eBay.DAL said:Did you cancelled the order or was it cancelled for you?
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I was just going through some old bookmarks in my browser and clicked on their web site. It has apparently been taken down.
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I guess they wont be selling Moody titles anymore either....
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Has anyone else started getting unwanted e-mails from Christian companies lately?
I've gotten at least two from Thomas Nelson (Christian Living Newsletter) and two from something/someone called The Hub/Eric Metaxas (thanking me for participating in the 'Bonhoeffer Tour', whatever that is...).
I can only think of three places these folks could have gotten hold of my e-mail address:
- Rejoice
- Logos
- Accordance
If Rejoice's e-mail list has been sold as part of a bankruptcy process or something, that is very unfortunate, but nothing much to do about. But if it's Logos or Accordance that's leaked, then I want to know about it. Especially if it's Logos. Accordance doesn't know anything about me other than that address, but Logos does.
So, have you too started getting e-mails recently? Were/are you too subscribed to Rejoice's or Accordance's newsletters?
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Interesting, I've got that email too, but I have never used Accordance. I wonder if it is from Rejoice.
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fgh said:
Has anyone else started getting unwanted e-mails from Christian companies lately?
I've gotten at least two from Thomas Nelson (Christian Living Newsletter) and two from something/someone called The Hub/Eric Metaxas (thanking
Got those, too.
Could it be the whole Logos partner thing?
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