What is the advantages of Logos over Accordance?

Hey,

I started using Logos with the app on my iPad, having been looking at Logos 5 for my Mac but curious as to how it performs compared to Accordance. Ive used Accordance for a while and like it, but Logos offers more titles, so I was trying to decide if the initial install was worth it. I am interested in mostly language and text studies, Greek Hebrew Aramaic Latin, not much of the resources that are in most of the base packages.

So for those of you who are familiar with both programs, what would be your suggestion to me, is Logos worth the minimum package purchase just to access the titles or should I just stick with the ipad version and use Accordance on my Mac? Also maybe I missed it but is there a package that is geared towards original languages and text studies? One that includes BHS and UBS4 and lexicons?

Thanks

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Whyndell Grizzard

I have both and like both- have not keep my Accordance current- wished I had, but the comparison is not apples to apples either.

But to be honest I am now building a paper library again- less expensive, and have found it feels good to have a book in your hands again.

Mark Smith

I don't own Accordance, but there have been previous discussions you might want to look at:

http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50417/371786.aspx

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/23527.aspx?PageIndex=1

http://community.logos.com/forums/t/53450.aspx?PageIndex=1

Adam Rao

As a recent Logos convert from Accordance, it's all about the resources. Accordance is super fast and unbelievably great for working with the original languages. Logos, quite simply, has more available that, as a pastor, I need and use all the time. As one of my friends recently put it, "In seminary, you want to have Accordance. In ministry, you find yourself wanting Logos." Mirrors my experience as well.

Carl McIntosh

Thanks I think the previous discussions are very helpful, I am focusing on textual studies and Accordance is a wonderful tool for that. Logos has some titles that arent available in Accordance, but from the previous discussions, it appears that all the titles arent linked together. In Accordance when you find a word in the text you can access every reference to that in every resource in your library by just a click or tap. Again appreciate the links.

Ben

As a switcher to OSX about 5-6 years ago, I already had Bibleworks and some Logos resources, and hadn't really used Accordance. That said, I should point out that you don't need to buy any packages, necessarily. You lose some functionality, but I haven't missed it at all. I have a lot of the nice resources that aren't included in any packages, which IMO are heavy on pastoral/non-academic material, not what I'm here for.

Carl McIntosh

Thanks again, the concensus appears to be that for text studies Accordance is best, for pastoral, ministry, or devotional Logos is the choice. I can say from experience that for someone who works in the original languages, Accordance on iPad is awesome. But I did purchase some titles for my iPad from Logos that Accordance does not offer, so its great to have both.

Mike Childs

but Logos offers more titles

I would say you have answered your own question. The advantage of Logos is the many resources available. Obviously, all the resources are not of interest to everybody. But whatever your interest, Logos is likely to have more of it available.

Other than that I doubt there is much difference. Some seem to think Accordance is a bit faster. But I can do everything I want to do with original languages in Logos. At lot of the preference probably depends upon which program you are used to using.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Also maybe I missed it but is there a package that is geared towards original languages and text studies? One that includes BHS and UBS4 and lexicons?

Academic students can purchase => https://www.logos.com/product/27551/biblical-languages

All of the Biblical Language resources are included in Logos 5 Portfolio => https://www.logos.com/product/24553/portfolio

Verbum Capstone package includes many original language resources => https://www.logos.com/product/27996/verbum-capstone

In addition to packages, Logos offers Greek Bundles => https://www.logos.com/product/28217/greek-bundle-xl and Hebrew Bundles => https://www.logos.com/product/28220/hebrew-bundle-l

Discourse bundles => http://www.logos.com/product/15472/greek-new-testament-discourse-bundle and http://www.logos.com/product/6786/lexham-discourse-hebrew-bible-bundle

Thankful for Logos visual filter highlighting, which can combine hundreds of search results for simultaneous display in English and Greek:

With verbs and things highlighted by morphological usage in English and Greek, can "see" range of verbal expression. Likewise can see context in each language.

Caveat: opening resource(s) with a number of Visual Filters enabled can take awhile to display with combined search results.

Wiki has => http://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters#Examples_of_visual_filters

Keep Smiling [:)]

Mike Childs

I am not very familiar with Accordance Bible Software. Can anyone tell me if Accordance has a comparable feature to Personal Books in Logos?

If so, can you read the Personal Books on the Accordance iPad app?

Unix

Yes but it's nowhere near as good as Logos PBB:

Can anyone tell me if Accordance has a comparable feature to Personal Books in Logos?

DMB

Michael, just to help your thinking cap, several mobile Bible software vendors support personal books. 'Cheap'.

I use Laridian mainly because I got it a while back and it supports colored tables (I use for statistics data on the Bible). While our pastor is going into the importance of grace, my little PB tables are coloring its use in various contexts and the dating.

Dan Francis

If so, can you read the Personal Books on the Accordance iPad app?

Yes every* module you own including personal books are iOS compatible.

-Dan

*Some minor modules-- parallels, timeline and more annoyingly for some the 3D Atlas are not yet compatible with the iOS. All others are compatible. Personal modules and a few books must be manually synced with your computer. But works fine over wifi for syncing.

David Paul

Thankful for Logos visual filter highlighting, which can combine hundreds of search results for simultaneous display in English and Greek:

With verbs and things highlighted by morphological usage in English and Greek, can "see" range of verbal expression. Likewise can see context in each language.

Not sure I'll ever understand why someone would choose to study the Bible this way. Seems to me a lot like getting a Ferrari as a gift...and then breaking it down into discreet piles--aluminum here, plastics here, leather there...

I'm sure you must get something out of it, seeing as you went to so much trouble to set it all up. More power to you.

For that matter, I don't really get the whole Discourse OT/NT thing either...seems like plucking a blade of grass and saying, "This...is grass."

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

I'm sure you must get something out of it, seeing as you went to so much trouble to set it all up. More power to you.

Greek verbal system is more expressive than English.

Thread => The HOW and WHY of Verbal Intensity? includes screen shot with Matthew 6:9-13 showing 7 verbs in an imperative (command) mood, which provides more insight into a prayer.

For that matter, I don't really get the whole Discourse OT/NT thing either...seems like plucking a blade of grass and saying, "This...is grass."

Thankful for => http://www.logos.com/product/7076/introducing-new-testament-discourse-grammar-video-series that provides insight into Greek conjunction usage. Also includes counter-point and point discussion. For example, 'I don't really get the whole Discourse OT/NT thing either' is a counter point (contrasting setup) to 'seems like plucking a blade of grass and saying, "This...is grass."'

Keep Smiling [:)]

Adam Rao

Thought I'd weigh in here one more time since, this morning, I experienced a good example of why I switched to Logos from Accordance.

I'm working through Mark 15 this week and, in Logos, I have the following commentaries available:
- Collins (Hermeneia)
- Hooker (Black's NT)
- Marcus, vol. 2 (AB)
- Williamson (Interpretation)

With the exception of Collins (Hermeneia), which *is* available for Accordance, the remaining commentaries are not even available for purchase in Accordance.

For me, it's that simple.

H D Gillis

Accordance has a lot more titles than most people think and the performance is outstanding. No waiting for reindexing. If you contyact them, they will send you a PDF of the available titles, but you can also see them on their website. Accordance is more conservative in the way they count titles as well. For instance, they count a commentary set as one title, not 40 because it had 40 volumes.

Donovan R. Palmer

I've got Accordance and love it. I find the interface better for exegetical work. It is fast, no indexing and I think in all the years that I have owned it, I have only submitted a couple of bug reports. It just works. All the time. I mean that. It works and works.

The iPad app is my go to when I am at church. It is very fast. I find Logos too slow when the preacher is moving through the text quickly.

That said, I have years of investment in Logos and there are resources I only have in this format. Logos is my primary research tool. I am grateful for the large number of resources that can now be had. I love clippings and wished they would work on the iPad as well.

So I use both side by side in their strengths.

DMB

Guess this thread awakens from the dead periodically.

I have both. I suspect 'the answer' is 'both' these days. Some resources you can get on one, others on the other. Accordance even has AYB. But if you're trying to run up your resource count, then of course Logos. And if a pastor/teacher, then Logos (tool set, packages, etc).

I spend most of my time in OL and probably more accurately authoring (eg semantics, etc). If ones world is stictly 'the Bible', then OL in Accordance is probably better. But if you wish to stray a bit outside for comparables (eg what was the norm), then Logos is really the only choice.

Want to review 'Egypt'? Logos. Ugarit? Logos. 2nd Temple? Logos. Qumran? Logos. Greek writing habits? Logos. Church response to NT phrasings? Logos. Jewish response to OT phrasings? Logos.

Accordance has some 'get started' on the above, but you run out of resources pretty quick.

Wild Eagle

Welcome to the forum H D Gillis. I wonder if you read the OP. The question is of Logos advantage over Accordance, but your post comes here with advantage of Accordance over the Logos, which original poster did not ask. I find your post just a pure advertisement of Accordance. If you love Accordance, fine, just stick with it, but it's not good to come to this forum and push another product. I kind of wonder if you ever even use Logos?

Accordance has a lot more titles than most people think...

Really, I heard many times this lame excuse, but at the same time you eagerly wait for new resources to be released [:P]. It's all about the selection of library. How many journals do you have?

Accordance is more conservative in the way they count titles as well. For instance, they count a commentary set as one title, not 40 because it had 40 volumes.

Hmm, such a convincing reason, I think I might switch [:P]

What about Icloud, clipping, passage guide, topical guide and etc... What about for educational purpose. I would like to see how far can you go doing theological research with your "big selection of library" without even journals...

R. Mansfield

What about Icloud

Does Logos use iCloud?

Graham Criddle

What about Icloud

Does Logos use iCloud?

no, resources are maintained and synced through Logos-controlled servers

George Somsel

A number have recommended Accordance for original language work, but I don't see that they have any real advantage in that field. Logos has all of the standard resources in the field (Dictionary of Classical Hebrew coming). I have noted that a number of their resources are somewhat more expensive than in Logos (and some think that Logos is expensive!). As for the "bling", I simply ignore it. I really don't see a lot of difference between them. I don't know what Accordance has in its entire catalogue, but I tend to think that Logos is more extensive. It may be that one or the other program may have a particular resource that the other program doesn't have. Whether that is important to you depends on whether you really have a need for that particular resource. Accordance has the disadvantage of being tied to that ball and chain called MAC which they're trying to overcome—I'll wager that they will have similar problems to what Logos has had porting to the MAC platform.

R. Mansfield

A number have recommended Accordance for original language work, but I don't see that they have any real advantage in that field. Logos has all of the standard resources in the field (Dictionary of Classical Hebrew coming). I have noted that a number of their resources are somewhat more expensive than in Logos (and some think that Logos is expensive!). As for the "bling", I simply ignore it. I really don't see a lot of difference between them. I don't know what Accordance has in its entire catalogue, but I tend to think that Logos is more extensive. It may be that one or the other program may have a particular resource that the other program doesn't have. Whether that is important to you depends on whether you really have a need for that particular resource. Accordance has the disadvantage of being tied to that ball and chain called MAC which they're trying to overcome—I'll wager that they will have similar problems to what Logos has had porting to the MAC platform.

George, I have a significant investment in both Logos and Accordance. I can't do it at the moment, but perhaps early next year, I might put together some more comparison videos between the two programs, this time specifically demonstrating Accordance's strengths with original languages. I'd say more, but if one goes into details about such things here, the Logos vigilantes users who patrol these forums with nothing better to do than call out folks who say anything positive at all about another product, invariably show up, and do their best to squelch honest conversation remind everyone of forum guidelines and the like.

I do think it would be fair to say this however-- I am running Accordance on both Windows (Surface Pro) and the Mac (MacBook Pro), and I can assure you that Accordance is absolutely no longer tied to the Mac (why do you use all caps for this word?). The Windows version is stable, was many times faster than the competition even in beta stages, and is its own program designed for Windows with Windows interface particulars--i.e. it's not simply a Mac port.

You would lose your wager that you mentioned. I've been running the Mac version of Logos since the abandoned version 1.x, then v. 4, and now v. 5x, and I can assure you that Accordance on Windows in the few months it's been available has not had the problems that the Mac version of Logos carried on with for years.

In fact, I predict that within two years, there will be more Accordance users in Windows than there are Accordance users on Macs simply because there are more Windows users, period.

DMB

Gee, George. I think they ball/chained themselves to MS too. My W7 specifically! But I mainly read SacredBridge etc on iOS.

Donovan R. Palmer

I'll wager that they will have similar problems to what Logos has had porting to the MAC platform.

Negative Ghostrider. I have friends who run the new Windows product and they are extremely pleased with it. Not everyone uses the RERO philosophy in software development. This has been discussed on these forums before and so I'll spare the restating of the strengths and weaknesses of this model.

L.A.

Carl - have a look on the two "German Bible Society Bundles". In my opinion that's the best starting point for biblical language study. They include the Apparatus for BHS, NA27/28 and LXX , the Vulgata, etc. and very good Morphologies. I never bought a base package (only crossgrading from Libronix to Logos) because of so much resources I'm not interested in.