What is the advantages of Logos over Accordance?
Hey,
I started using Logos with the app on my iPad, having been looking at Logos 5 for my Mac but curious as to how it performs compared to Accordance. Ive used Accordance for a while and like it, but Logos offers more titles, so I was trying to decide if the initial install was worth it. I am interested in mostly language and text studies, Greek Hebrew Aramaic Latin, not much of the resources that are in most of the base packages.
So for those of you who are familiar with both programs, what would be your suggestion to me, is Logos worth the minimum package purchase just to access the titles or should I just stick with the ipad version and use Accordance on my Mac? Also maybe I missed it but is there a package that is geared towards original languages and text studies? One that includes BHS and UBS4 and lexicons?
Thanks
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I have both and like both- have not keep my Accordance current- wished I had, but the comparison is not apples to apples either.
But to be honest I am now building a paper library again- less expensive, and have found it feels good to have a book in your hands again.
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I don't own Accordance, but there have been previous discussions you might want to look at:
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/50417/371786.aspx
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As a recent Logos convert from Accordance, it's all about the resources. Accordance is super fast and unbelievably great for working with the original languages. Logos, quite simply, has more available that, as a pastor, I need and use all the time. As one of my friends recently put it, "In seminary, you want to have Accordance. In ministry, you find yourself wanting Logos." Mirrors my experience as well.
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Thanks I think the previous discussions are very helpful, I am focusing on textual studies and Accordance is a wonderful tool for that. Logos has some titles that arent available in Accordance, but from the previous discussions, it appears that all the titles arent linked together. In Accordance when you find a word in the text you can access every reference to that in every resource in your library by just a click or tap. Again appreciate the links.
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As a switcher to OSX about 5-6 years ago, I already had Bibleworks and some Logos resources, and hadn't really used Accordance. That said, I should point out that you don't need to buy any packages, necessarily. You lose some functionality, but I haven't missed it at all. I have a lot of the nice resources that aren't included in any packages, which IMO are heavy on pastoral/non-academic material, not what I'm here for.
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Thanks again, the concensus appears to be that for text studies Accordance is best, for pastoral, ministry, or devotional Logos is the choice. I can say from experience that for someone who works in the original languages, Accordance on iPad is awesome. But I did purchase some titles for my iPad from Logos that Accordance does not offer, so its great to have both.
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You will likely find Logos a bit sluggish compared to Accordance, but both are good programs and Logos offers a larger library of books to choose from. I cannot see myself ever getting rid of Accordance but then I can say the same about Logos. Each has it;s purpose and i use both daily.
-Dan
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Having both can add to your studies, yet you should attempt to get one good Bible study program, emphasis is on good. Having said that and having two completely different programs myself, the distinction can be made by the 'package' purchase of both - one has and one has not.
Take BW for example, their emphasis is on text; good program without all the bling, Logos - tooo much bling, but then that's just my opinion. Logos does feed to the masses when the masses want academia as well as leisurely reading and for most this is what they want so the 'demand and supply' is met. Yet, if you get a 'package' you may spend time hiding the bling!! Isn't that a bit superfluous....
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I wish Logos would literally let us "hide the bling." In other words, I want the ability to turn off or hide features that I will never use, much like hiding resources.
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I have never used Accordance. Can someone try why some view it as superior to Logos for original language study?
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Bruce Dunning said:
I have never used Accordance. Can someone try why some view it as superior to Logos for original language study?
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Carl McIntosh said:
but Logos offers more titles
I would say you have answered your own question. The advantage of Logos is the many resources available. Obviously, all the resources are not of interest to everybody. But whatever your interest, Logos is likely to have more of it available.
Other than that I doubt there is much difference. Some seem to think Accordance is a bit faster. But I can do everything I want to do with original languages in Logos. At lot of the preference probably depends upon which program you are used to using.
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Carl McIntosh said:
Also maybe I missed it but is there a package that is geared towards original languages and text studies? One that includes BHS and UBS4 and lexicons?
Academic students can purchase => https://www.logos.com/product/27551/biblical-languages
All of the Biblical Language resources are included in Logos 5 Portfolio => https://www.logos.com/product/24553/portfolio
Verbum Capstone package includes many original language resources => https://www.logos.com/product/27996/verbum-capstone
In addition to packages, Logos offers Greek Bundles => https://www.logos.com/product/28217/greek-bundle-xl and Hebrew Bundles => https://www.logos.com/product/28220/hebrew-bundle-l
Discourse bundles => http://www.logos.com/product/15472/greek-new-testament-discourse-bundle and http://www.logos.com/product/6786/lexham-discourse-hebrew-bible-bundle
Thankful for Logos visual filter highlighting, which can combine hundreds of search results for simultaneous display in English and Greek:
With verbs and things highlighted by morphological usage in English and Greek, can "see" range of verbal expression. Likewise can see context in each language.
Caveat: opening resource(s) with a number of Visual Filters enabled can take awhile to display with combined search results.
Wiki has => http://wiki.logos.com/Extended_Tips_for_Highlighting_and_Visual_Filters#Examples_of_visual_filters
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Dear Bruce: In short. Its a race car in that field and was originally designed for that field of work.
Many of the modern resources we all use today were worked on through/with it as far as research work is concerned.
Carl: You do not have to buy a package in Logos. I didn't at first, just the titles I needed at the time.
Later, a couple of the libraries appealed to me, so I did that.
I almost always have both programs open when I am doing heavy study.
Accordance for Language work, Logos as my Library system.
Logos is specialized as a Library system, Accordance as an Original Language system.
That said, I use both for some language study and both for resources as well.
You really don't have to go big with either one, you can begin and then build.
I don't look at them as in competition any more, I think that is a mistake we tend to make. Carpenters have many tools, those tools are not in competition, they instead compliment .
Thats how I see the whole Logos/Accordance situation, both are tools that compliment each other and allow me to get more work done at higher quality levels.
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I didn't mean to start a debate about which program is better, I have had Accordance for years. If you have a Mac and are learning biblical Greek or Hebrew you will already know about Accordance, it is the best there is for those who read the text in original language. I was just asking for advice from people who are familiar with both programs, I should have phrased my question different.
Logos has many titles to offer, I was looking for some that Accordance didnt have and was trying to decide if I should invest in logos 5.... You have answered my question. Thank you
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Now Carl. Ford vs Chevy .... Windows vs Mac .... Logos vs Accordance? And you didn't mean to start a debate? On Friday? [B]
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Does anyone know if Accordance has forums like this one?
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Is Mebin said:
Does anyone know if Accordance has forums like this one?
I know. The answer is yes Accordance does.חַפְּשׂוּ בַּתּוֹרָה הֵיטֵב וְאַל תִּסְתַּמְּכוּ עַל דְּבָרַי
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Does anyone know what % of the market share Accordance has vs. Logos or other programs? It may be my imagination but I thought that Logos was a much bigger company.
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Overall, I believe you are correct. If we are simply talking about the Mac platform, I believe Accordance is larger than Logos. L5 is the first somewhat stable product Logos has created for the Mac platform.Bruce Dunning said:Does anyone know what % of the market share Accordance has vs. Logos or other programs? It may be my imagination but I thought that Logos was a much bigger company.
With Accordance adding Windows to their product line, I believe things are going to become very interesting.
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tom said:
Overall, I believe you are correct. If we are simply talking about the Mac platform, I believe Accordance is larger than Logos. L5 is the first somewhat stable product Logos has created for the Mac platform.Bruce Dunning said:Does anyone know what % of the market share Accordance has vs. Logos or other programs? It may be my imagination but I thought that Logos was a much bigger company.
With Accordance adding Windows to their product line, I believe things are going to become very interesting.
The last thing I need is another spork.
I already have 4, that do basically the same thing but just get to the same results by various means.
But I know that this one has no bling, this one has some bling, that other one has a little more bling, that the last one has way too much bling.
I really want bible software that will compile the 4 into one and ixnay ALL the bling! - that would make me a very very happy.
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Bruce Dunning said:
Does anyone know what % of the market share Accordance has vs. Logos or other programs? It may be my imagination but I thought that Logos was a much bigger company.
First, it is difficult to get companies to divulge that information publicly. They don't want to clue in the competition.
Secondly, "market share" gets a little foggy when you have one user that has several Bible software programs. I have Logos, Accordance, BibleWorks, and WordSearch. Who claims me in their "market share" statistics? If you ask me I will tell you I belong in the Logos column.
Lastly, Logos has mentioned a couple times they have 1,000,000 users. Accordance has been silent on their end. I am happy for both of them because they are helping more people study the Bible. I am sad that out of 300,000,000+ people in the USA less than 1% use Bible study software. [:(] I thank God for all the Bible software companies.
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I am not very familiar with Accordance Bible Software. Can anyone tell me if Accordance has a comparable feature to Personal Books in Logos?
If so, can you read the Personal Books on the Accordance iPad app?
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Yes but it's nowhere near as good as Logos PBB:
Michael Childs said:Can anyone tell me if Accordance has a comparable feature to Personal Books in Logos?
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Michael, just to help your thinking cap, several mobile Bible software vendors support personal books. 'Cheap'.
I use Laridian mainly because I got it a while back and it supports colored tables (I use for statistics data on the Bible). While our pastor is going into the importance of grace, my little PB tables are coloring its use in various contexts and the dating.
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Michael Childs said:
If so, can you read the Personal Books on the Accordance iPad app?
Yes every* module you own including personal books are iOS compatible.
-Dan
*Some minor modules-- parallels, timeline and more annoyingly for some the 3D Atlas are not yet compatible with the iOS. All others are compatible. Personal modules and a few books must be manually synced with your computer. But works fine over wifi for syncing.
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Thankful for Logos visual filter highlighting, which can combine hundreds of search results for simultaneous display in English and Greek:
With verbs and things highlighted by morphological usage in English and Greek, can "see" range of verbal expression. Likewise can see context in each language.
Not sure I'll ever understand why someone would choose to study the Bible this way. Seems to me a lot like getting a Ferrari as a gift...and then breaking it down into discreet piles--aluminum here, plastics here, leather there...
I'm sure you must get something out of it, seeing as you went to so much trouble to set it all up. More power to you.
For that matter, I don't really get the whole Discourse OT/NT thing either...seems like plucking a blade of grass and saying, "This...is grass."
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David Paul said:
I'm sure you must get something out of it, seeing as you went to so much trouble to set it all up. More power to you.
Greek verbal system is more expressive than English.
Thread => The HOW and WHY of Verbal Intensity? includes screen shot with Matthew 6:9-13 showing 7 verbs in an imperative (command) mood, which provides more insight into a prayer.
David Paul said:For that matter, I don't really get the whole Discourse OT/NT thing either...seems like plucking a blade of grass and saying, "This...is grass."
Thankful for => http://www.logos.com/product/7076/introducing-new-testament-discourse-grammar-video-series that provides insight into Greek conjunction usage. Also includes counter-point and point discussion. For example, 'I don't really get the whole Discourse OT/NT thing either' is a counter point (contrasting setup) to 'seems like plucking a blade of grass and saying, "This...is grass."'
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