Now will we see the Oxford English Dictionary?

Joseph Turner
Joseph Turner Member Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭
edited November 20 in Resources Forum

Surely we can't have the classics in English literature without the complete Oxford English Dictionary being available for study!

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  • Daniel Yoder
    Daniel Yoder Member Posts: 540

    The OED would be amazingly useful in Logos. 

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Drool!

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  • Surely we can't have the classics in English literature without the complete Oxford English Dictionary being available for study!

    Know it would be useful and appreciated.

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  • Butters
    Butters Member Posts: 466

    Man, that would be amazing.  I have to admit, since jumping onto virtual resources, I rarely crack my printed copies of LSJ, my OUD, or my Oxford Latin.  

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  • KJ Niblett
    KJ Niblett Member Posts: 270

    and the Oxford Bible Commentary would be nice too

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,202 ✭✭✭✭✭

    and the Oxford Bible Commentary would be nice too

    They used to sell the Oxford Bible Commentary, and I have it. I found it from a third party long after Logos had already discontinued it. But I don't see any copies of it available now.

  • Jack Caviness
    Jack Caviness Member, MVP Posts: 13,487 ✭✭✭

    Oxford English Dictionary

    Add my vote [Y]

  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    I would like the Oxford Thesaurus. I have the mini version, and you have no idea how much I use that for my posts here.[:)]

    I would also want a good dictionary for phrases, proverbs, that kind of thing.

    And an etymological dictionary.

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  • Joseph Turner
    Joseph Turner Member Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭

    I would like the Oxford Thesaurus.


     This would also be a welcome addition

     

    And an etymological dictionary.

     

     The OED has etymological information in its 20+ volumes.  I looked at the stand alone Oxford Etymological Dictionary, and one review said that it was simply made up of a selection of etymologies from the OED.

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  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    and the Oxford Bible Commentary would be nice too

    That wish belongs at More Oxford University Press rather than the Noet forum, which is supposed to be for 'non-Christian' books.[;)]

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  • Butters
    Butters Member Posts: 466

    As a descriptive dictionary, the OED is excellent for showing how a word has been used over time.  This is really the dictionary's strength. I've used the full OED for many years and have it in my study.  

    However, for etymological information per se - that is, the origin of the word from OF, Latin, Greek, Indo-European, etc. - I prefer the Barnhart Dictionary of Etymology.  

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  • Milford Charles Murray
    Milford Charles Murray Member Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭

    Surely we can't have the classics in English literature without the complete Oxford English Dictionary being available for study!

    Peace, Joseph!          *smile*

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    How happy we all would be were this to be available, eh???

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  • Joseph Turner
    Joseph Turner Member Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭

                         How does it feel to be absolutely correct  ???               ..........          and affirmed by so many of your Logos Forums' Colleagues??? !!!

    It only matters if my wife says it...[:D]

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  • Jack Caviness
    Jack Caviness Member, MVP Posts: 13,487 ✭✭✭

    I would like the Oxford Thesaurus. I have the mini version, and you have no idea how much I use that for my posts here.Smile

    I could guess. I use one frequently, and English—sort of—is my native tongue [8-|]

  • Butters
    Butters Member Posts: 466

    I must say the OED website version is really sub par.  Very, very unfortunate for such a monumentally important resource.  

    I've heard from a little birdie that they are absolutely paranoid - nay, hysterically so - about losing control of the content.  

    I don't know why this should prevent licensing via Logos though.  

    Whatever they do, I do hope they put more thought and $ into designing a sophisticated way for subscribers to use it.  Right not it reminds me of something from the 1990s.  How hard would it be hard to set a few graduate students to work on this?  And for free prolly?  

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  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭

    the complete Oxford English Dictionary

    I have the skinny version that's available in Logos.  I would love the full version, but if you've priced it in the past fifty years or so, you know it is not cheap. I shudder to think of what they'd charge for it to be in Logos.

    For a software package like Logos, it would be a fantastic tool, if it is affordable.

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  • Butters
    Butters Member Posts: 466

    Well, it's 300.00 per year to gain access; so at something in that range, I think that would be worth it, personally.    

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  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭

    Well, it's 300.00 per year to gain access;

    I have to pay annual licenses on my statistical software (SPSS, SAS).  I am not willing to do that with just about anything else, and I cringe at the thought of paying annual fees to Logos or any other company for access to certain works in the software.  That's just not a viable solution.

    That's why I think the OED would price itself out of a place in Logos. If they were to license the software on a permanent basis, like other Logos resources, I think they'd price themselves like my statistical software does (in the thousands of dollars).

    Someone will hopefully prove me wrong. Until then, the glass is half empty.

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  • Joseph Turner
    Joseph Turner Member Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭

    I would love the full version, but if you've priced it in the past fifty years or so, you know it is not cheap. I shudder to think of what they'd charge for it to be in Logos.

    They had a CD-ROM version that was priced at about $300.00.  The problem with it was that the copy protection/security involved made it almost unusable.  Logos licensing is very secure, so I would think they would jump at the chance.

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  • Butters
    Butters Member Posts: 466

    Incidentally, I spoke with someone in the NYC office - and was asking a bunch of questions, including whether they were working on a mobile version (iOS, etc.) - "no, we have no plans for anything like that."  huh?  [:O]

    To be honest, their lack of vision kind of freaks me out.  Especially given the precious resource they are the sole stewards of.  

    ~Butters [:)]

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  • Doc B
    Doc B Member Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭

    To be honest, their lack of vision kind of freaks me out.  Especially given the precious resource they are the sole stewards of.  

    I'm with you.  Many folks under 30 or so have never encountered the OED.  Looks like that unfortunate trend may continue.

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  • Butters
    Butters Member Posts: 466

    They had a CD-ROM version that was priced at about $300.00.  The problem with it was that the copy protection/security involved made it almost unusable.  Logos licensing is very secure, so I would think they would jump at the chance.

    That's a good point actually.  Indeed, they could learn something from Logos about how to deploy copyrighted material in a secure manner.  

    It seems to me that if they aren't going to develop and implement a cutting edge platform to deploy/use/navigate, they ought to just license the content to others (such as Logos) who know how to make this happen.  Otherwise, it's just a hugely wasted asset.  

    ~Butters [:)]

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  • Butters
    Butters Member Posts: 466

    I'm with you.  Many folks under 30 or so have never encountered the OED.  Looks like that unfortunate trend may continue.

    Indeed.  

    Moreover, the original people who began the dictionary were visionaries in so many ways; including how they organized material, how they sourced it, etc, way ahead of their time.  Also, many of them working for free; some of them for very little.  

    So for OUP to now sit back on their haunches with deployment, is....well, disappointing to say the least.  

    Someone, somewhere is turning in their proverbial grave. 

    ~Butters [:)]

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  • Matthew C Jones
    Matthew C Jones Member Posts: 10,295

    To answer the question in the thread title;

    "No."

    Oxford Latin Dictionary was just about to ship out of Pre-Pub when some new guy took the reigns at Oxford and decided he did not want it published. If the same guy is still the decision maker at Oxford we should not get our hopes up about OED.

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  • Butters
    Butters Member Posts: 466

    To answer the question in the thread title;

    "No."

    Oxford Latin Dictionary was just about to ship out of Pre-Pub when some new guy took the reigns at Oxford and decided he did not want it published. If the same guy is still the decision maker at Oxford we should not get our hopes up about OED.

    Clearly he's a genius man of business.  LOL.  

    Well, what about the LSJ?  Please tell me that we "own" it???  Or can that be pulled back?    

    And by the Oxford Latin do you mean the Glare or the L&S?  

    I suppose we could wait for the Thesaurus Linguae Latinae?  [:P]

    ~Butters [:)]

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  • fgh
    fgh Member Posts: 8,948 ✭✭✭

    Oxford Latin Dictionary was just about to ship out of Pre-Pub when some new guy took the reigns at Oxford and decided he did not want it published. If the same guy is still the decision maker at Oxford we should not get our hopes up about OED.

    That's old news. Logos has put a lot of Oxford books on prepub the last half a year or so. Clearly Logos and OUP are good friends again.

    http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=oxford&Publisher=Oxford+University+Press 

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  • Butters
    Butters Member Posts: 466

    I hope this is under consideration in the future; it's truly a wasted resource as it is now deployed.  

    ~Butters [:)]

    “To love means loving the unlovable.  To forgive means pardoning the unpardonable.  Faith means believing the unbelievable.  Hope means hoping when everything seems hopeless.” ~Chesterton