Interface....inital impressions
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Dale, I'd love to hear what you like least about the new interface. The windowing system? The menus? The simplified toolbars?0
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I have to agree with Dale on this. I find myself foundering a bit to figure out what is what...I do think the release will require Logos to put out some good training videos or people will get lost quickly. Personally, I don't mind being lost and exploring, but I know that is not for everyone.0
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While there is a definite learning curve...I find the current UI very user friendly and easy to learn/figure out. Knowing this is Beta I realize there are features lacking that will make its way to the released product.
I do hope that the Help feature is being worked on vehemently, however, so as to help those willing to hit the F1 key to learn the hows of the product.
Mitch
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I was INCREDIBLY LOST at first...when the interface opened...I thought I was reading the newspaper not using bible software! [:O]
The interface is very different and therefore requires a "mindset shift" on my part...but the "logic" of it is growing on me.
I do like the workspaces in v3 and use them frequently so if there is a parallel feature in v4 that would be my pick.
As I mentioned before; I really like the "crossover" elements from exegetical guide to parallel guide (word by word being available in parallel guide) making my study more "personalized" and using less clicks.
One thing I REALLY liked in v3 was the ability to repeat a syntax search when I miffed it.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Any chance of implementing Ctrl + and ctrl - for enlarging the font sizes within the resources? Changing the default font size does not help since it depends which monitor I am using and also the size of the panel/window that I am reading from.
Thanks.
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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Process: Open ESV, select a verse, click on Interlinear. At the bottom of the window is the interlinear showing the line on which the verse if sound (so beginning in the last few words of the previous verse).
I wondered where the rest of the verse was. Clicking around I found I could click at the right side of the interlinear box and scroll right to see more of the verse. there are right and left arrows at the top on the Interlinear tab, but only the back arrow was functioning.
Will the interlinear not wrap to display what is on the Bible screen? It seems awkward.
Dave Housholder0 -
Click a word in the upper "surface" text, and the reverse interlinear strip will move to center on the word.0
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I'm waiting on the DVD, but I have noticed that at least two people have commented on Microsoft Office 2003 vs. 2007.
I'm wondering of those of you (us) who are using Office 2007 are having less trouble making the intuitive switch to Logos 4 than those who are not using Office 2007?
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I finally discovered that. Thank you. My error was in looking for the entire phrase or sentence instead of looking at word by word. I tried selecting a longer phrase thinking it might center on that phrase, but it didn't. It would be good, for example, to highlight "kingdom of God" and see the Greek equivalent.
Now that I expanded the ESV to full screen to see what it did to the interlinear I am now trying to figure out how to change that window size to see it side by side with another window. I haven't succeeded yet.0 -
That post was in response to Bob's comment
"Click a word in the upper "surface" text, and the reverse interlinear strip will move to center on the word."
I apparently haven't learned how to handle the "quote" link yet!
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Al,
The comparison is only because both Word and Logos have made some large interface changes. The new Logos interface in no way resembles the Office2007 interface.
That said, I do love the Office 2007 ribbon, and thus far I rather like the new Logos UI.
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Pastor Greco?
From the Puritanboard??
Nice to see you brother!! (Pastor, I should say)!!
Small world..
I'll look forward to your comments.
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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I use Word 2007 and have even tried out the 2010 TR. I loved the new office ribbon with only a few minor annoyances that will be fixed in 2010. I am really struggling to like Logos 4.0. When I opened 3.0 the first time I immediately saw that this was going to be incredibly useful and easy to get. Then I poked around and also realized how incredibly powerful it was and immediately not only loved it but replaced what I was using at the time (e-Sword and QuickVerse). MY first reaction to 4.0 was twofold. First I went, 'Whoa!! What is this?" Then I remembered reading that someone said it was like a newspaper interface and I saw that. I like the idea of putting some of your stuff in front of you. But then my second glance made me say, "How in the world do I study the Bible with this thing?" I see it now but it is not going to be as easy. My third concern is performance. Why is it so dang slow? I thought 3.0 was a little slow but now it seems like a Ferrari to this moped. I truly hope that is just a beta problem. My last concern at this point is this: contrast please. Where do I turn up the contrast. Everything seems really washed out. It hurts my eyes.
I hope my appreciation changes as the speed picks up and I get used to it. BTW I am not someone who is that resistant to change. Frankly I like a little change to keep things interesting. I'm the guy who buys a new laptop every year just so I can have something new to play with.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Interesting how different learning styles influence our impression of software.
When I switched to the Mac version of Logos, I never missed any of my 3.0 features. Frankly, I had stopped using most all of them because they did not help enhance my study. The more I use 4.0, the more I think I will use of the great features.
The Notes integration and usability is sweet (but will they print?)
Search with Ctrl-F is awesome.
Context sensitive windows... cool.
But I have to agree with Kevin, the bland washed out color scheme is hard on my eyes and it makes the learning curve rather steep!0 -
I'm beginning to see the blessing that the command bar can become! Very cool feature, not sure if the few things that appeared to mess up were my learning error or a glitch. I will continue playing to see if I can replicate issues, but the command bar has some great features - if you have not checked it out, try it!
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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Just now discovering the command bar. Very nice! I've been critical but this is a great new feature. I read some of what can be done with it in Help. For us who are learning to use this Help: XXX opens help to the thing you put in after the colon.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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My initial impression was it looked good, but getting things done was a little confusing - I figured that 2:30am was not the best time to learn how this V4 works.
Today things have gone much better. There are some things I really appreciate:
1. The way the way the interlinear view works.
2. The information pop ups for resources.
3. The overall way resources are handled.
4. I have been able to find ways to do most of what I normally do in my study patterns.
There are a few issues that are significant to me:
1. Things are very slow. It makes me look at the books on my shelf and wonder If I should pick them up[:O]
2. The text is not easy to read on small screens. Using it on my 11.6" laptop is really difficult. Adjusting the text size doesn't help much.
For example the text on this forum displays great even though it is smaller then how I have things set up on V4. It is as if the text is out of focus (even with my glasses on!)
3. This could be something I am missing, but I can't find a way to copy and paste the results from searches. This is a big deal to me as it is a major part of my note making routine. I like how the search works, but not being able to read the verses and copy and past the ones I wan't in my notes is a real pain. I'm hoping I am missing something obvious.
Well back to trying things out . . .
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I read some of what can be done with it in Help.
I have nothing in the help file. are you saying you have a help file for 4.0?
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I have a nicely functioning help on my Win 7 machine. On the Windows XP Machine - no help appears
Logos 10 - OpenSuse Tumbleweed, Windows 11, Android 15 & Android 14
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Philip Spitzer said:Kevin A. Purcell said:
I read some of what can be done with it in Help.
I have nothing in the help file. are you saying you have a help file for 4.0?
Yes. I clicked the little help icon in the upper right and it opens what seems to be 4.0 specific content.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association0 -
Kevin A. Purcell said:
Yes. I clicked the little help icon in the upper right and it opens what seems to be 4.0 specific content.
Then I suppose you can add that to the list of things I'm missing in my installation. I am a DVD installer working off a download on this computer until the DVD arrives and I'm missing all information in the help section and interlinear never pops up in the ESV translation.
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Wow....that syntax search interface is BRUTAL.
And I thought that the v3 one was tough to figure out... [:D]
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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When the mouse hovers over a resource in the "passage guide" it gives a preview of the passage I am working on. A very nice feature.
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Love the way the book titles shorten in the tabs as I get too many open. Very well done
Windows Vista Ultimate SP2 32 Bit
Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz
2GB RAM
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Chris,
I meant it as a metaphor for what was being done, not literally what was happening.
Al
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I really like the ability to float windows freeing them from confines of the base program window - talk about saving screen real estate!
(and finding millions of occurrences of "the" in mere seconds is awesome too -- I think Bibleworks just lost bragging rights [;)]).
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As always, I'm happy to share my ideas with you. First off, I was overwhelmed at the opening homepage. It was like looking at a newspaper and trying to figure out what all was there. It took me awhile to get it to go away, but now I can't figure out how to get it back.
- I've gone to the layouts tab, clicked the down arrow, and see what's been there in the past, but it doesn't seem to be of any use. I double click on a previous layout (e.g. the homepage) and nothing happens (well, it just did -- the program crashed). But, I've not seen any benefit of seeing what had been there if I can't do anything with it.
- I would like a new layout (I like my opening pretty clean) with a couple of Bibles on the right and the lectionary on the left. But, I can't get the lectionary to open -- don't find a link to it anywhere on the tools menu and help doesn't (help). Somehow I found a way to get a lectionary at the top of my homepage, don't remember it being there initially, but once I closed the homepage, I don't have access to the lectionary and it's a tool I use continually.
- I've opened two Bibles -- the NRSV and The Msg. I said to make them free float, but after that, there doesn't seem to be a way to anchor them again -- the float feature doesn't toggle. And at the same time, there doesn't seem to be a way either to put the two Bible windows on the same screen except by using the Alt+Tab button -- then one gets promoted and then the other until they're one above the other on the right side of my screen. Unfortunately, once they're there and floating on top -- when I click on the Tools menu, the windows disappear. Thus, with these two floating windows viewable, I can't use the tool bar and keep the windows on top.
- I miss quick access to some of my favorite resources that I've had on my tool bar since the early days of Series X. There doesn't seem to be anyway of adding to the toolbar. With widescreen monitors and displays that support a lot of data, it seems a terrible waste of real estate to not be able to add "helps" to the tool bar (maybe I can get a quick link back to my lectionary). The "Shortcuts" only works if you know how the program has coded the feature I'm looking for. Again, I'm looking for the UM Lectionary, but that's not listed. I searched for lectionary and alphabetically, the Catholic came up first which is fine, but finding the UM version took a little patience.
If you haven't guessed by now, one of my biggest issues with the UI is that there's so much missing. There's no print feature that I've found, and no export. I haven't even found a way (surely there is) to just view Bible text and not all the superfluous "stuff" such as headers that the printers put in there paper versions.
And, while we're sharing -- Let me note that the search feature certainly isn't any quicker.
- My system has been indexed (twice from what I could tell), and I just searched for "John the Baptist" in all passages in all Bibles. It took 83.36 seconds to find 454 results in 50 verses. I then switched back to Logos 3 and did the same search. In about 45 seconds, the search found 627 occurrences. I'm not sure how to reconcile 454 with 627.
- I did the same search in both versions, searching just the New Testament. Logos 3 found the same 627 resources in 18 seconds. Logos 4, found its same 454 resources in 89.96 seconds. So, it took longer to search a smaller selection of books. I'm quite puzzled by the fact that the new and improved version, not constrained by MSIE took twice as long for one one search. and nearly six times as long for the second search. Seems we've gone the wrong direction.
Anyway, those are a few of my frustrations -- but, it's early in the cycle, and as I said, I'll stick with you.
Now, let me cheer you on -- THANK YOU!! for cleaning up the export to WordPerfect. There was very little extraneous formatting there, and that helped tremendously.
Blessings -- Dale
Blessings,
Dale Durnell
Coming to you from Henryetta Oklahoma (45 miles south of Tulsa, and 85 miles east of OKC)
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It would seem to me that Bible searching hasn't been properly optimised yet. I had a similar slow search to Dale on "John the Bapist", but by contrast, could search my entire library in 10.51 secs and find 13,171 results in 9,019 articles! I suspect Bible search will speed up substantially at some point, given this comparison!
Dale... my homepage appears/disappears by clicking the "Home" icon in the top left hand corner.
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Hi Dale, I was thinking about your problem and found a GREAT solution. Drag the tab to the menu bar. It creates a neat link! See the attached illustration.Rev Dale L Durnell OSL said:I would like a new layout (I like my opening pretty clean) with a couple of Bibles on the right and the lectionary on the left. But, I can't get the lectionary to open -- don't find a link to it anywhere on the tools menu and help doesn't (help). Somehow I found a way to get a lectionary at the top of my
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