Seeking Your Feedback

Greetings, Mobile Ed users!

As we begin to approach the official launch of the Bible and Doctrine Foundations bundle on Feb 3rd, we'd like to reach out to all of you who have already been using the Mobile Ed and hear from you about your experiences with Mobile Ed so far.

Our goal is to create the best resources for Biblical training, solid content and practical training. We have designed this combination of video lectures, enriched transcripts, and tutorial screencasts to help you not have just a "take it all in" experience but an active, engaging experience that you not only learn, but learn how to enrich your studies with a deeper understanding of both the text and the tools at your disposal.

Please take the time to let us know how we can better serve you and your needs for learning through Mobile Ed.

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Edgar Joyner

Hi,

As a Logos Mobile Ed user, I love everything about Mobile Ed, format, video and transcripts and format of syllabus is excellent. What I want to know is will there be any emphases studies like Jesus studies or evangelism studies in the future courses? Overall, the program is excellent! Thanks!

Aaron Linne

Glad to hear you are loving it! It's so important to me that we're building tools that people truly can learn with.

All of our announced courses can be viewed here: https://www.logos.com/mobile-ed/courses

Who would you like to see teach the kinds of courses you're suggesting?

Benjamin Varghese

The Local Church is the only organization in the New Testament with the responsibility of teaching the Bible and training Ministers. The Bible does not restrict its teaching anywhere including seminaries. However it is best to have Systematic Bible Training and Ministry Training primarily in the Local Church. M.Ed. is a great step towards that goal especially when the needed diversity of specialist faculty may not be available within the context of a Local Church.

It would be great to have some guidelines published on the usage of the M.Ed for teaching in the Local Church without sharing the resources. Scenarios include:

1. A Teacher follows the M.Ed Outline to Teach a Small Group

2. A Teacher plays out M.Ed Videos before a Small Group

This is also a great and indirect way of getting Logos introduced to the Church members who in turn may become Logos and M.Ed. owners themselves.

2 Timothy 2:2 (NKJV) — 2 And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

Steve Farson

I think Mobile Ed is outstanding. I've ordered every available course and pre-pub offering. I'm also a second year seminary student. Mobile Ed supplements well my seminary journey, but if I had to choose between the two I would probably go with Mobile Ed. It nails the way I learn. I'm spending around $3500 for seven hours of seminary courses this spring semester. When professors basically just repeat the textbook in the class, and classrooms with 40-70 students have little interaction, one can legitimately ask how necessary is the piece of paper diploma. Mobile Ed also has an improved online teaching/learning experience versus what I've experienced from schools calling a videotaped lecture an online course. Anyway, I'm a fan. Suggestions? Continue to offer more courses, going really deep in certain areas, and if possible, seek some kind of accreditation or certifying.

Kevin Maples

if possible, seek some kind of accreditation or certifying.

This is what it would take for me to participate.

Randy W. Sims

if possible, seek some kind of accreditation or certifying.
This is what it would take for me to participate.

While certification would be great, I still think it is potentially of tremendous value to learning. I would definitely be in on it if I could, but haven't been able to as I had hoped. Unless Logos want's to gift it, or extend my payment plan to 24 mos, or point me toward a bank that would be easy to knock off (I'd only take what I needed). [:D]

Simon’s Brother

Aaron, love the m.Ed. format. Particularly the fact that each course looks at a wide range of resources, and rather than working through one or two set texts. The tutorial screencasts are great addition to the courses where applicable. The range of planned courses looks good but hope it does not end With just these courses.

Under the LT grouping have you considered redoing the the Learn to Use Greek and Hebrew with LBS. Hebrew needs updating with now a different morphology used by the software.

Mark Futato teaching Hebrew might be an interesting addition as part of a Biblical Languages grouping. A Latin class or two would have me signed up also.

With the for arrival of Noet some introductory Philosophy courses might be good at some point along with classes on Rhetoric and Logic If you can get the right teachers.

Aaron Linne

@Steve-

What topics would you like us to dive really deep on?

Aaron Linne

With the for arrival of Noet some introductory Philosophy courses might be good at some point along with classes on Rhetoric and Logic If you can get the right teachers.

@Disciple of Christ -

Do you have any suggestions for Philosophy professors?

Steve Farson

In lieu of certification (a suggestion I make above), perhaps consider giving this Mobile Ed courseware an umbrella name, like "NW Bible" or "The Word School". While Mobile Ed is descriptive, if I were to go through all the courses, it would be kinda nice having the flexibility to note I was a "graduate" of "The Word School" versus "Yeah, I completed the 'Mobile Ed' courseware."

BTW, "The Word School" has a ring to it. It is consistent with your corporate name, it is relevant, it has value as a defining name for all the Mobile Ed courses, and if there is no accreditation or certifying, at least it is a usable name for some/many of us. Or maybe it is "The Logos School", or something similar.

Do consider giving the Mobile Ed curriculum a defining name that has more usable value to us "students" than "mobile ed". Thanks.

Steve Farson

I like the idea of Moo's deep dive into Romans. I would buy courseware going deep into books of the Bible... a single book (Isaiah, Genesis, Luke, Revelation, etc.), or a range of books... i.e. Pastoral Epistles, Wisdom Literature, Minor Prophets, Torah, 1& 2 Corinthians, The Kings of Israel, etc.

Thanks, Steve

Simon’s Brother

With the for arrival of Noet some introductory Philosophy courses might be good at some point along with classes on Rhetoric and Logic If you can get the right teachers.

@Disciple of Christ -

Do you have any suggestions for Philosophy professors?

Sorry Aaron, I don't know any to suggest.

Simon’s Brother

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I like the idea of Moo's deep dive into Romans. I would buy courseware going deep into books of the Bible... a single book (Isaiah, Genesis, Luke, Revelation, etc.), or a range of books... i.e. Pastoral Epistles, Wisdom Literature, Minor Prophets, Torah, 1& 2 Corinthians, The Kings of Israel, etc.

Thanks, Steve

David Paul

...one can legitimately ask how necessary is the piece of paper diploma.

Do you really want that answer??

Aaron Linne

Honestly, I'd love to see some open discussion here on the forum about diplomas, certification, etc. It really is important for us to hear how we can create the best product for you and meet your educational needs. I'm thinking it should probably have it's own thread, however, as I'd like to keep this one for feedback on the current product. Thanks!

Simon’s Brother

if possible, seek some kind of accreditation or certifying.
This is what it would take for me to participate.

While certification would be great, I still think it is potentially of tremendous value to learning. I would definitely be in on it if I could, but haven't been able to as I had hoped. Unless Logos want's to gift it, or extend my payment plan to 24 mos, or point me toward a bank that would be easy to knock off (I'd only take what I needed).

I am not looking for certification. I believe Logos indicated they are not in a position to do so. If that situation changed in the future it would be an issue of what additional costs were involved. As it is currently it is a great option for the layperson to extend their learning.

Simon’s Brother

AaroI, one other area I noticed the course offerings could be beefed up in is Church history.

Steve Farson

...one can legitimately ask how necessary is the piece of paper diploma.

Do you really want that answer??

I already know the answer. It depends.

Mike Pettit

A minor point is that I would prefer it if the courses were not justified centrally on the homepage sidebar, it makes them a bit harder to follow and looks a bit weird to me. I would prefer them to be left justified, but this is probably taste and fancy.

What I would like is a more in your face way of monitoring your progress in each course, it is not obvious to me how you do this without looking at the quiz for each segment to see if it has been completed.

Matthew C Jones

Honestly, I'd love to see some open discussion here on the forum about diplomas, certification, etc. It really is important for us to hear how we can create the best product for you and meet your educational needs.

I think it would be a nice thing to have certificates for course completion and a diploma for completing a collection of courses. Other programs of comparable level do this (i.e. Liberty Home Bible Institute.) Having these acknowledgments should satisfy the critics of the "it's not a seminary" crowd.

EDIT: I just started a thread to poll everyone regarding this subject

Randy W. Sims

I've only just started, only an hour or so in on a few courses and spot checking various topics. Below is some initial impressions.

Jerky Video. This is the most annoying thing and it's true of other video in Logos. Whether downloaded or streaming, the video when played back in Logos is jerky. If I extract the video from the webcache, rename it, and play it in Windows Media Player or QuickTime, etc. it plays flawlessly. It plays well on my Nexus 7 also. My PC is a upper midrange system that never has problems with video files, Amazon Prime, Netflix, etc. It plays all current games (Battlefield, Far Cry, Elder Scrolls, etc.. Mostly the nephew playing them, but I occasionally indulge) without problem. There is no reason for the jerky video in Logos.
I would like to see some indication of download status when Download All Media is selected. The notification bar with percent complete would be perfect.
I agree with Mike. What I would like is a more in your face way of monitoring your progress in each courseSome sort of progress complete would be nice. Something as simple as the way the Library shows how much of a resource has been read on my Nexus 7 or something more complete like the last results from completed tests as text or chart.
This may be more a personal thing, I would like to have the option to view the videos in bigger chunks instead of short clips. An options to Play All for each unit/section would be ideal. Personally, I'd prefer to watch a 30-40 min lecture and then go back and study and self-test.
Sort of in the same vein as above. There are options to play previous and next video when viewing normal size, but there doesn't appear to be a way to go to previous/next video when viewing a maximized video.
I agree with Peter.It would be great to have some guidelines published on the usage of the M.Ed for teaching in the Local ChurchIt would be nice if this could be somewhat tailored to also meet the needs of those trying to teach these subjects. Some of these subjects are light enough that they would be useful for teaching around. And there doesn't appear to be much on the market along these lines. An optional DVD for a fee ($40 or so) for showing clips to a class, a paper and ink workbook, etc., might find a wider audience and provide a hook to pull people into Logos. Maybe I overestimate. Would there be a market for studies on these types of topics for regular bible study groups?
I would love to see the testing modules implemented on mobile devices. Tablets are perfect for testing and refreshers. Tests could be strung together and randomized like a quiz game. Like Bible Find It.
I can't really comment too much on the content yet as I haven't had time to make much progress. So far it's very light but that might be expected given that they're mostly introductory, but I do wish they would at least mention when there are other views. Not that I expect in depth arguments or discussion, but a mention would be nice. Maybe that is something that varies by instructor?

Overall, I'm very excited about these course and look forward to working through them and filling in the many many holes in my knowledge. That may take a few viewings.

Brent Hoefling

Greetings, Mobile Ed users!

As we begin to approach the official launch of the Bible and Doctrine Foundations bundle on Feb 3rd, we'd like to reach out to all of you who have already been using the Mobile Ed and hear from you about your experiences with Mobile Ed so far.

Our goal is to create the best resources for Biblical training, solid content and practical training. We have designed this combination of video lectures, enriched transcripts, and tutorial screencasts to help you not have just a "take it all in" experience but an active, engaging experience that you not only learn, but learn how to enrich your studies with a deeper understanding of both the text and the tools at your disposal.

Please take the time to let us know how we can better serve you and your needs for learning through Mobile Ed.

This is great material. I already had some video training in my library for bible study, Greek and Hebrew training and the MP series I and 2, and others.

This format, though is "the awesome", as it is more like the classroom environment for learning. and cross with CBT standalone materials. I may be to CDO (OCD is not alphabetical), but one of my recent challenges is in the links provided for other Logos resources. (reference this thread - http://community.logos.com/forums/t/81207.aspx). I would really like to have a more fully exhaustive linking available.

Personally, as I go through each segment, and there are links available and required reading and see also reading, I go through them all. my progress may be much slower, but I am concentrating on quality, not quantity (though I do own/ordered all currently available Mobile Ed courses). while I may not have all the resources from the "See Also" lists, I may acquire them based on my interest of that particular segment and direction in learning.

so, if I were to list suggestions (not in any particular order):

exhaustive linking
discounted pricing to "See Also" materials (we obviously own at least the course that references it)
perhaps a bundle of the recommended reading as an option for each of the courses
more hours in a day, so that I can also "have a life"
as was mentioned by another, I believe - licencing to use the video in a local church/class environment (if it is not already available). It is my firm belief that going through a mobile ed class, will spawn interest in acquiring Logos software by others. (especially the MP Logos-directly related materials)
After having been through many quizzes and tests, thus far, I would like to see a printable completion certificate/form. obviously this is not about accreditation, but simply completion of semester or coursework. - And by extension, the ability to have the tests be printable for the above-bulleted class environment as possible)
researching and partnering with seminary colleges/universities that will allow testing out of various courses that are the same as provided here. perhaps discounted class/subjects based on completion of these, for those who are pursuing "degrees".
a way to contact the professor of the course. with questions, etc. I know there are faithlife groups, but do not know if the instructors actually participate in those. and some more introverted people, like myself may not want to post a question or comment to the "public" (such as this forum).
did I mention more hours in a day?

I appreciate your asking and wanting feedback in this endeavor.