Morph search within a range of verses
I found an old Logos 4 thread where it was confirmed that morph search results are confined within a single verse. Is this still true in Logos 5? I can run a WITHIN 200 WORDS sort of search, but it still does not seem to cross verse boundaries.
Here's my example. In John 20.21, both αποστελλω and πεμπω are used. I want to check all the instances where those words are used in John, but this is the only place where both words are used in the same verse. In BibleWorks, I can run a command line search to find those words within 3 verses of each other (.αποστελλω πεμπω;3), and I get results in John 1.22ff; 5:30-37; 7:28-33; 9:4-7 and 20.21.
Is there a quick way to conduct a morph search where two (or more) terms are located within X verses of each other?
For now, I can only think of one way of doing so.
- Using a Morph search, do an OR search for the two terms, then use Verses or Aligned view and scan the results to see when hits are in close proximity.
That works fairly well for the search example I'm using here, but there are other more complicated searches where this approach would be tedious to sort through the results.
Thanks for any suggestions! And if it can't be done, then this is a recommendation to Logos to add this capability.
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Mark Hoffman said:
Here's my example. In John 20.21, both αποστελλω and πεμπω are used. I want to check all the instances where those words are used in John, but this is the only place where both words are used in the same verse. In BibleWorks, I can run a command line search to find those words within 3 verses of each other (.αποστελλω πεμπω;3), and I get results in John 1.22ff; 5:30-37; 7:28-33; 9:4-7 and 20.21.
Morph Search can be copied then changed to Basic Search:
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it still appears to be "broken" - but never have been great at morphing.. will let expert confirm definitively
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Mark Hoffman said:
Is there a quick way to conduct a morph search where two (or more) terms are located within X verses of each other?
No!
Mark Hoffman said:Using a Morph search, do an OR search for the two terms, then use Verses or Aligned view and scan the results to see when hits are in close proximity.
Morph is always limited to results within a single verse. Verses/Aligned/Analysis only provide different views of the results.
As illustrated by KS4J you have to translate a Morph Search into a Basic search to enlarge the range, as Basic Search will match results within a single chapter (of a bible).
However, a Syntax Search is the only way to get related results:
This gives Jn 20:21 & Acts 11:29-30. You can do the same for a Sentence instead of a Clause, but the results are the same.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
However, a Syntax Search is the only way to get related results:
This gives Jn 20:21 & Acts 11:29-30. You can do the same for a Sentence instead of a Clause, but the results are the same.
Dave, I tried to do the same syntax search, but don't know how to get the dotted lines. My search with normal line does't get any results. Thanks for any help!
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L.A. said:
but don't know how to get the dotted lines
With the right-hand term selected check "Matching skip levels" under the "General" section in the menu
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Graham Criddle said:
With the right-hand term selected check "Matching skip levels" under the "General" section in the menu
Thanks, Graham! However, it doesn't give any results... is the colored line (red in Dave's word boxes) significant? Mine is blue...
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L.A. said:
is the colored line (red in Dave's word boxes) significant?
Red will highlight the Word (the other tick box in the menu), but not affect the actual results.
L.A. said:it doesn't give any results...
Upload a screenshot similar to mine.
Dave
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Here's the screenshot with cascadia. Andersen-Forbes for the OT works fine.
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Change "Gospels" to "All passages" in the Search line.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
Change "Gospels" to "All passages" in the Search line.
Does not work ;-/ Maybe I do not own the essential resources...
("You own part of this collection and are receiving a discount for the part you own. You own 1 of 4 resources and datasets." --> sesb3 [GermanBibleSociety Bundle + minimal crossgrade 4&5 --> minimal 4 description states "cascadia...", but the base package comparison chart "...you own 1 of 4 resources..."]).
Anyway - thanks for your help!
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Thanks, KS4J. I think I had tried your suggestion (input in Morph, switch to Basic), but I didn't get any results. I must have messed something up, because emulating your search I did get the results. The results, however, aren't in a particularly helpful view.
Thanks, Dave. Yes, I knew that Morph search only works within a verse, but running an OR search gives me the results I want, but I have to sort through them a bit. Checking the various views for looking at the results, the Verses (or Aligned) give the best quick visual picture of which words are being used (the different colors to distinguish between hits with the two words is really excellent) and in what proximity. Below is a graphic of what I found most helpful.
Still, if one is looking for two or more Greek lemmas (or roots) that are near each other but not in the same clause or sentence, it would be nice to have the multi-verse search parameter.
Thanks again. Maybe Logos will put this on their list...
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Mark Hoffman said:
Still, if one is looking for two or more Greek lemmas (or roots) that are near each other but not in the same clause or sentence, it would be nice to have the multi-verse search parameter.
Knowing that verse numbering does not correspond with Greek sentences, personally prefer Morph Search proximity option that can cross Chapter and Verse boundaries.
Logos User Voice Suggestion => http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-5/suggestions/2886652-improce-search-restrict-search-to-parts-of-a-reso currently has 73 votes; every Logos user has 10 votes with up to 3 votes for one suggestion.
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personally prefer Morph Search proximity option that can cross Chapter and Verse boundaries.
To clarify - Morph Search results will not cross verse boundaries no matter how large the proximity you specify! Likewise, Basic Search results will not cross chapter boundaries (but do cross verse boundaries).
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:
personally prefer Morph Search proximity option that can cross Chapter and Verse boundaries.
To clarify - Morph Search results will not cross verse boundaries no matter how large the proximity you specify! Likewise, Basic Search results will not cross chapter boundaries (but do cross verse boundaries).
Concur Basic Search currently will not cross chapter boundary. Likewise know that Bible and Morph Search will not cross verse boundaries. One Greek sentence can span many verses: e.g. Ephesians 1:3-14 as well as one verse having many sentences. Also sentences can span verse boundaries: e.g. Revelation 19:7-8
Dreaming of Logos adding a proximity boundary option to allow searches to cross chapter and verse boundaries, which is included in Logos User Voice Suggestion => http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-5/suggestions/2886652-improce-search-restrict-search-to-parts-of-a-reso
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prefer Morph Search proximity option that can cross Chapter and Verse boundaries.
Dreaming of Logos adding a proximity boundary option to allow searches to cross chapter and verse boundaries,
Thank you. "Dreaming" removes the ambiguity from your original "prefer" statement!
Dave
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