New Anglican base packages
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Logos emphasizes the total number of books included but it requires a bit of effort to find out what the usable books are that You would actually want and which series are complete and which ones are not. If Logos would put less fluff into the base-packages more users would be motivated to go through the list in detail. Most users will give up and just order a base-package based on denominational leanings and how much they afford, and somewhat many still don't realize Logos's strategy:
MJ. Smith said:What is typical? that there are errors in the roll-out - yes, but they always get worked out:
Unix said:This is typical to base-packages.
Base-packages are a bad idea also because they quickly get dated. Some of the works are already dated, and new books continue to come after the base-package is released. It's a pain to buy newer books that cover the exact same things as in the base-package but sometimes You just have to do that because the base-package books are so dated.Disclosure!
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Unix said:
Base-packages are a bad idea also because they quickly get dated.
This is a point I would disagree with as what I find worthwhile in a base package is far more often the older material. Logos in general has large gaps in their contemporary materials although the situation is improving at a steady rate. But I already know that you and I have different taste in our reading.
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Yeah, but old Editions of primary texts?
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Unix said:
Yeah, but old Editions of primary texts?
Especially very old editions preferably 1 century or before[;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
I have the same problem
Actually I do have the 3 volume set (look on series to find) but I owned them prior to the new base packages.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Most... but not all. I purchased the balance 10+ volumes for around $200.
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Randy W. Sims said:
Maybe it refers to the older 3 vol collection?
This is a huge difference. Can anyone verify whether the package is supposed to include all 4 volumes of Wright? And all the volumes of ICC or all but the most recent 3?
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David Sloan said:
This is a huge difference. Can anyone verify whether the package is supposed to include all 4 volumes of Wright? And all the volumes of ICC or all but the most recent 3?
Hello David,
Andy Evans has asked Logos via HERE, regarding both questions many of us have. [Y]
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Hi all,
Just a quick note to address what seem to be two main issues: the Christian Origins collection and the ICC.
Regarding the Christian Origins collection: When I initially put the collection together, Paul and the Faithfulness of God was not yet part of the Christian Origins Collection. Since then, the collection has been updated to include that book. However, the copy on the product page was not updated to clarify that it was the 3-volume collection rather than just left ambiguous.
I should have caught and clarified this before the product shipped. I am sorry about that.
Regarding the ICC: Diamond does (or should) contain all 59 volumes listed on the product page. There seems to be a glitch somewhere in the system. Rest assured that you will receive all the volumes once everything is sorted out. I'm very sorry about the confusion.
If there is anything else I can do, please don't hesitate to email me directly at: ben (dot) amundgaard (at) logos (dot) com
Senior Director, Content Products
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Ben,
So when are we going to receive Paul and the Faithfulness of God for those who bought it already? This was my major decision maker..
Please honor this ..
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mike said:
So when are we going to receive Paul and the Faithfulness of God for those who bought it already? This was my major decision maker..
Please honor this ..
Mike,
If you feel as if you were misled or didn't get what you paid for, please don't hesitate to call customer service and see what they can do for you. I really want you to be happy with your new package. [:D]
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Hi Ben,
This is really good news,
Ben Amundgaard said:Regarding the ICC: Diamond does (or should) contain all 59 volumes listed on the product page.
This is slightly less so,
Ben Amundgaard said:Regarding the Christian Origins collection: When I initially put the collection together, Paul and the Faithfulness of God was not yet part of the Christian Origins Collection. Since then, the collection has been updated to include that book. However, the copy on the product page was not updated to clarify that it was the 3-volume collection rather than just left ambiguous.
I had held off on ordering the Diamond until the contents were clarified. It is a really shame that the fourth volume did not make it into the package (I do not intend this to be critical, I fully appreciate oversights happen, particularly when dealing with complex packages). This and the inclusion of ICC would have been very attractive additions (from my perspective).
Notwithstanding this, even without Paul and the Faithfulness of God, I will still give Diamond serious consideration.
My only suggestion would be to ensure that the updated product description is clear. Strictly speaking, and as far as I can see, there is no three volume Christian Origins collection (just the four volume collection and the individual volumes). You may wish to consider listing the three included resources separately (in lieu of creating a three-volume collection to sit alongside the four volume correction).
Finally, thank you for all you work with these packages. I do think the specific denominational packages are a really valuable addition.
Blessings,
[:)]
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I called CS and i got my Paul & Faithfulness of God resource.
My question now is how come the resource isn't available in mobile, when product page says it would?
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Thanks for the clarifications, I am not a diamond user, but glad to know I had been misinformed on the phone.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
Thanks for the clarifications, I am not a diamond user, but glad to know I had been misinformed on the phone.
-Dan
Hey Dan,
you only need Anglican Bronze to get the that series..
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Hi Ben,
Why does the Anglican collection contain the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition (37 vols.) and not the Protestant Edition? The Protestant Edition contains everything in the Catholic Edition.
The reason I am asking is that I am concerned about the dynamic pricing. I want to buy Anglican Bronze, but I already have the Protestant Edition from another package. I'm afraid that the dynamic pricing I am being given means I am being charged for a $229.95 resource I essentially already have!
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elnwood said:
Why does the Anglican collection contain the Early Church Fathers Special Catholic Edition (37 vols.) and not the Protestant Edition?
I went with the Catholic Edition to avoid offending anyone (particularly Anglo-Catholics).
I can appreciate your predicament. I would recommend calling sales, I think they'd be able to help you best. OR, the riskier option would be to buy it and then call customer service for a refund ...
You have pointed out an interesting situation, though, one that we will have to remedy in the future.
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mike said:Dan Francis said:
Thanks for the clarifications, I am not a diamond user, but glad to know I had been misinformed on the phone.
-Dan
Hey Dan,
you only need Anglican Bronze to get the that series..
I am a Gold owner, and ICC is only in Diamond, I am guessing you meant the everyone series, I love the NT set and Goldingay is fabulous author but so far I have not as impressed by the OT volumes, but I have only used them a couple time.
-Dan
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elnwood said:
Hi Ben,
The reason I am asking is that I am concerned about the dynamic pricing. I want to buy Anglican Bronze, but I already have the Protestant Edition from another package. I'm afraid that the dynamic pricing I am being given means I am being charged for a $229.95 resource I essentially already have!
I don´t know what sales will tell you, but in the past when I bought Verbum with the ECF, and contacted them to see if I could get it switched to the protestant version, they said the equivalent to "No Way Jose". Even though the price is exactly the same on the web site! Logos said something about it being different publishers etc. [*-)]
I could not ever get them to give me an upgrade price! [:(]
Hope you have more luck with sales than I did. [:D]
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Tom Rach said:
I don´t know what sales will tell you, but in the past when I bought Verbum with the ECF, and contacted them to see if I could get it switched to the protestant version, they said the equivalent to "No Way Jose". Even though the price is exactly the same on the web site! Logos said something about it being different publishers etc.
It's Public Domain so the publisher is the same: Logos.
They can't "switch" the package to the other version, and it can't be done on the web, but if you talk to Sales they should definitely give you the same discount as if you had owned the included version. If they refuse, ask to talk to someone else. Santiago Galeano if necessary. He's the Director of Sales. He's extremely busy these days (it often takes 2-3 weeks to get an answer to an e-mail...), so it might be a good idea not to bother him unnecessarily, but when you can't get the lower Sales staff to recognize how right you are, he's the guy to go to.[:)]
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Its good to have both editions so that links work whichever source material is being addressed, I also doubt it has a material impact on the pricing.
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Mike Pettit said:
Its good to have both editions so that links work whichever source material is being addressed,
You'd still get the second edition.
Mike Pettit said:I also doubt it has a material impact on the pricing.
It's 37 vols, so I'd guess $40 or so, depending on the package.
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fgh said:Mike Pettit said:
Its good to have both editions so that links work whichever source material is being addressed,
You'd still get the second edition.
Mike Pettit said:I also doubt it has a material impact on the pricing.
It's 37 vols, so I'd guess $40 or so, depending on the package.
You may be right, but I would expect public domain elements of a package to have a much lower dynamic pricing impact than royalty generating items.
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If you are having issues with Paul and the Faithfulness of God, please check this post for updates: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/82874/581501.aspx#581501
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Mike Pettit said:
You may be right, but I would expect public domain elements of a package to have a much lower dynamic pricing impact than royalty generating items.
Sometime in the past in these forums, Logos gave us a rough description of how dynamic pricing worked. It didn't make distinctions among classes of books.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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