What is the best name for a Pentecostal/Charismatic base package?
I'm interested in some input from our forum users, especially those from a charismatic or pentecostal/AOG background.
Keep in mind, base packages are going to be more specifically defined along denominational/church/traditional lines, while bundles, add-on products, and collections will continue to be marked more specifically to 'viewpoints' (Calvinism, Arminianism, Christology, etc.).
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Gabe Martini said:
Keep in mind, base packages are going to be more specifically defined along denominational/church/traditional lines
In that case, it seems to me that Pentecostal is better. The term "charismatic" usually refers to the renewal movement (of the 60's/70's) that mostly focused within established churches of various denominations.
A third term "Third Wave" refers primarily to the Vineyard movement and others along the same line. It's a more recent theological movement and some within the movement would simply define themselves as "Pentecostal" while others would distance themselves from that term.
Still from a historic stream perspective, or denominational/church/(theological) tradition, the best term is probably still "Pentecostal." IMHO, of course (as one from a Reformed perspective, with a lot of Pentecostal/Charismatic/Third Wave leanings).
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Surely you give the title yourself "Pentecostal/Charismatic"
Reasoning they are very related - but with distinct emphases. But not so much as to have two seperate base packages.
If "Pentacostal" then quite a few charismatic resourses would be inappropriate
If "charismatic" then quite a few Pentacostal resourses would be inappropriate
The combined is best
Shalom
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Pentecostal sounds right to me. None of the other terms I've heard (Renewal, Full Gospel, etc) feel appropriate.
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Pentasmatic or characostal then perhapsKevin A Lewis said:Surely you give the title yourself "Pentecostal/Charismatic"
Reasoning they are very related - but with distinct emphases. But not so much as to have two seperate base packages.
If "Pentacostal" then quite a few charismatic resourses would be inappropriate
If "charismatic" then quite a few Pentacostal resourses would be inappropriate
The combined is best
Shalom
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How would you delineate the emphases of the two different groups?
I thought all pentacostals are charismatic, but not all charismatics are pentecostal. That is to say that pentacostalism is the denomination, while charismatic is the theological position regarding the sign gifts.
Of course, I'm Baptist, and cessationist (so what do I know).L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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abondservant said:
I thought all pentacostals are charismatic, but not all charismatics are pentecostal.
But not all Pentecostals like being called Charismatic especially those with strong Holiness/Wesleyan roots.
I agree with the logic that Pentecostal is more clearly defined as a movement/denomination whilst Charismatic is broader and is used to describe elements within many movements/denominations.
My vote:
Pentecostal
God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
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Kevin A Lewis said:
Surely you give the title yourself "Pentecostal/Charismatic"
Reasoning they are very related - but with distinct emphases. But not so much as to have two seperate base packages.
If "Pentacostal" then quite a few charismatic resourses would be inappropriate
If "charismatic" then quite a few Pentacostal resourses would be inappropriate
The combined is best
Shalom
I agree that the best title includes both terms, maybe "Pentecostal-Charismatic."
At least in Scandinavia where I live, the Pentecostal-Charismatic family is larger than the Pentecostal movement. It also includes a lot of non-denominational churches.
The term Charismatic describes a stream that goes into all denominations and would not be a good title for this package.
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Gabe Martini said:
Keep in mind, base packages are going to be more specifically defined along denominational/church/traditional lines, while bundles, add-on products, and collections will continue to be marked more specifically to 'viewpoints' (Calvinism, Arminianism, Christology, etc.).
I think you answered your own question. Pentecostal is denominational while Charismatic is a movement within many denominations at least as the terms are used in this neck of the woods.
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MJ. Smith said:
I think you answered your own question. Pentecostal is denominational while Charismatic is a movement within many denominations
[Y] That is why I voted Pentecostal.
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MJ. Smith said:
I think you answered your own question. Pentecostal is denominational while Charismatic is a movement within many denominations at least as the terms are used in this neck of the woods.
I am wondering if this means that many Charismatic resources will be left out of this base package. However, if they are going to add non-Pentecostal resources, this package needs to be named Charismatic.
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Best title would span both world's: Pentecostal and Charismatic. We are and have been for decades charismatic but never of the Pentecostal denomination. Non-denominational and thus free of denominational ties. Thank you very much for asking for input!
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If you leave either word out, you'll halve your sales. So I'd suggest Pentecostal/Charismatic Base Package, even though that doesn't trip off the tongue. Either that or the Spirit-Filled Package ;-).
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Mark Barnes said:
the Spirit-Filled Package
That's at least something that sounds good - but such a catchy phrase may be copyrighted in the US (after all there's a Study Bible and other Stuff) - is it?
Have joy in the Lord!
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According to USPTO it is not. "Spirit Filled" is for merchandising only, t-shirts, caps, etc. "Spirit Filled Life" is for bibles and religious books.
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Perhaps a Pentecostal base package associated with a series of charismatic bundles?
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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Gabe Martini said:
Keep in mind, base packages are going to be more specifically defined along denominational/church/traditional lines, while bundles, add-on products, and collections will continue to be marked more specifically to 'viewpoints' (Calvinism, Arminianism, Christology, etc.).
Maybe this should be a collection instead of a base package. The charismatic movement goes beyond denominational lines.
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My background is pentecostal, though it has been about 18 years since I was a part of a pentecostal / charismatic fellowship. When I accepted Christ 30 years ago, I noticed that there was a socio-economic component to what one would call himself. Those who called themselves Pentecostals were generally less affluent than those who were Charismatics. I don't know if that holds true today - like I said, it has been awhile since I've worshipped exclusively among those fellowships. But just in case there's still an economic component, I would suggest the base package be called "Pentecostal / Charismatic."
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Graham Owen said:abondservant said:
I thought all pentacostals are charismatic, but not all charismatics are pentecostal.
But not all Pentecostals like being called Charismatic especially those with strong Holiness/Wesleyan roots.
And I'm one of them. Okay, I won't have a falling out with anyone over it, but I do believe that Pentecostal is the better designation for what we are discussing here.
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soooo... the next question is .. when is the package going to be available?
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Gary Osborne said:Graham Owen said:abondservant said:
I thought all pentacostals are charismatic, but not all charismatics are pentecostal.
But not all Pentecostals like being called Charismatic especially those with strong Holiness/Wesleyan roots.
And I'm one of them. Okay, I won't have a falling out with anyone over it, but I do believe that Pentecostal is the better designation for what we are discussing here.
I agree with both of you. I also voted for Pentecostal because (at least in our context here) the term Charismatic got very broad and undefined meaning, covering a lot of things that nobody in Pentecostal realm would like to be associated with.
Bohuslav
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Gary Osborne said:Graham Owen said:abondservant said:
I thought all pentacostals are charismatic, but not all charismatics are pentecostal.
But not all Pentecostals like being called Charismatic especially those with strong Holiness/Wesleyan roots.
And I'm one of them. Okay, I won't have a falling out with anyone over it, but I do believe that Pentecostal is the better designation for what we are discussing here.
I know some Charismatics that do not like to be called Pentecostal. I see your point. However, if this package is going to include resources for both Pentecostal AND Charismatics - how can you justify it just being called Pentecostal?
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Pentecostal/Charismatic I thinks is the best
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I just think Pentecostal conveys the type of material this package would contain the best. But I'll buy it no matter the title as long as solid Pentecostal material is offered.
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How about "Available For Purchase NOW"?
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How about "Holy Roller"? [Please, no, don't hit me ! ] [:D]
george
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Gabe Martini said:
I'm interested in some input from our forum users, especially those from a charismatic or pentecostal/AOG background.
Pentecostal/Charismatic
looks good even though I'm from a Pentecostal or Apostolic/AOG/CRC/CCC background (the acronyms belong to Pentecostal movements in Oz).
But I hope Logos won't tag me as Anglican because that's how the software currently sees me!
Dave
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I guess Pentecostal since it lends itself to charismatic; plus, Catholics, Lutherans, etc. have their own BP so this would sell better (Pentecostal BP).
DAL
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Without offense, how about “The Pentecostal/Charismatic Experience Base Package”
With a touch of offense “The Pentecostal slash Charismatic Experience Base Package”
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Gabe Martini said:
I'm interested in some input from our forum users, especially those from a charismatic or pentecostal/AOG background.
Keep in mind, base packages are going to be more specifically defined along denominational/church/traditional lines, while bundles, add-on products, and collections will continue to be marked more specifically to 'viewpoints' (Calvinism, Arminianism, Chris
I've been thinking about this more and I think it really depends on how you select your resources. To satisfy the above conditions, I think you've already answered your question: it should be called a Pentecostal base package.
But a basic question is "How are you selecting the resources for this base package?"
Pentecostal churches/denominations have long-standing theological traditions (with some variation between denominations). If you choose resources that come specifically and exclusively out of those theological traditions, then you should call it a Pentecostal base package. One problem here is that there has been some long-standing resistance among some Pentecostals to enter the academic world of careful Biblical scholarship (perhaps because of the treatment they received from academics early on). This has thankfully changed, but the Pentecostal world is not flush with resources that fit the Logos model for study very well.
If Logos is going to cast a wider net in terms of the resources for this package, and include (e.g.) Vineyard resources, stuff from the Catholic, Anglican, Reformed, Lutheran and other charismatic writers, then you should call it what it would be: Pentecostal/Charismatic. But then this wouldn't be along a particular denominational line, nor follow a specifically Pentecostal theological tradition. It would be more inclusive and thus frustrate some Pentecostals who might strongly disagree with some of the material included, and some Charismatics as well.
From a marketing perspective, and from a resource perspective, I personally believe a Pentecostal/Charismatic collection makes the most sense. Most Pentecostals I know are quite aware of the theological differences they have with parts of the Charismatic movement, and most Charismatics understand the differences they have with some of traditional Pentecostal theology. Further a single base package with a wide range of perspectives would be most helpful to both groups (IMHO), even if some individuals don't think so.
In other words the name for the base package should reflect the qualifications you are using to include resources in it.
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The big question is where is the Buy button [:P]
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