installing beta as other user

is it true that I can install a beta under another user account on the same hdd, but it will not cause my "regular" L4 (currently SR 2) to become beta?

I thought I was installing 4.0b using a beta testing download link. However, I found out via another post by Melissa that 'b" wasn't even downloadable yet, and when I checked my newly downloaded and indexed L4, I discovered it was SR2. And then I discovered my normal L4 was also SR2 and I had NOT done any "update now" or clicking on of a link to install a beta. Made me think that installing L4 on the other user automatically changed my "regular" L4 without me knowing it.

Can someone clear this up please? Thank you!

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Kevin Becker

Yes, you can create another user account and install the beta under it. I currently do that on my desktop. My regular username has 4.0a SR-2 and my account "Logos Beta" currently has 4.0b Beta 1. I shared my document files with the beta testing account so I can still all my work when using the Beta account. Read the sticky and the release notes in the Beta forum for all the details.

Mark Smith

That's a bit confusing. If you opened the special beta download link while signed on as the extra user it should have downloaded and installed the beta version (which is 4.0b Beta 1 and shows up as that in Help|About). You should then be able to sign on to that user account at any time and find the beta there.

Did you do exactly as I outlined to install the beta?

Did you use the special beta install link Bradley posted on his initial announcement of the beta?

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71153#Comment_71153

That's a bit confusing. If you opened the special beta download link while signed on as the extra user it should have downloaded and installed the beta version (which is 4.0b Beta 1 and shows up as that in Help|About). You should then be able to sign on to that user account at any time and find the beta there.

Did you do exactly as I outlined to install the beta?

Did you use the special beta install link Bradley posted on his initial announcement of the beta?

Mark, if you read the chatter in the release notes the server wasn't updated with the new beta until after the release notes were posted. The link in the release notes does now work. As I understand it, Dan read this confusion and held off on downloading the beta.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71151#Comment_71151

I shared my document files with the beta testing account

as far as I knew one didn't have to 'share document files" between the two, i mean, one didn't have to set up anything special to be able to share. During the last beta, i had one computer with the SR and the other a beta, and I thought I had all documents on either. Did I not?

I don't remember if I get a special link from Bradley. I just found a link somewhere int he forum that said it was for beta downloads. I thought they were all the same link, whether for the beta from a month or two ago, or the current. Are they not? And why the heck is it so hard to find it? Why is there not a clear link somewhere (like a downloads page)? And when I downloaded for the beta, the beta had not actually been released yet, although i thought it was. Half the time here I dont' know what is going on! [:P]

thanks for weighing in, and I sitll would like some feedback on teh above. Sorry for following up so late. Time is scarce as i take on a few jobs and our life schedule is rearranged to stay afloat in this economy! But God is always good.

Chris Elford

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71373#Comment_71373

I shared my document files with the beta testing account

as far as I knew one didn't have to 'share document files" between the two, i mean, one didn't have to set up anything special to be able to share. During the last beta, i had one computer with the SR and the other a beta, and I thought I had all documents on either. Did I not?

I don't remember if I get a special link from Bradley. I just found a link somewhere int he forum that said it was for beta downloads. I thought they were all the same link, whether for the beta from a month or two ago, or the current. Are they not? And why the heck is it so hard to find it? Why is there not a clear link somewhere (like a downloads page)? And when I downloaded for the beta, the beta had not actually been released yet, although i thought it was. Half the time here I dont' know what is going on!

thanks for weighing in, and I sitll would like some feedback on teh above. Sorry for following up so late. Time is scarce as i take on a few jobs and our life schedule is rearranged to stay afloat in this economy! But God is always good.

Dan,

You sound really confused. I strongly urge you to read http://community.logos.com/forums/t/8883.aspx very carefully, before you mess something up. You need to create a separate Windows login account and download the beta there to keep any "new/updated" resources from over writing your 4.0a install and making it all unusable. You'll have to download all your resources again and re-index, but then you can keep going and going in the beta. Eventually, there will be a stable 4.0b and you can upgrade your main account. In the meantime, be careful not to mix them together. You cannot share resources or copy them from the existing install.

Try to think through and clarify your questions so we can respond to them, one at a time - several in one post is okay, but they seem to be overlapping and jumbled - to me, at least.

Chris

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71373#Comment_71373

I don't remember if I get a special link from Bradley. I just found a link somewhere int he forum that said it was for beta downloads. I thought they were all the same link, whether for the beta from a month or two ago, or the current. Are they not? And why the heck is it so hard to find it? Why is there not a clear link somewhere (like a downloads page)? And when I downloaded for the beta, the beta had not actually been released yet, although i thought it was. Half the time here I dont' know what is going on!

The latest beta installer can always be downloaded from http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/InstallerBeta/Logos4Setup.exe, as described in http://community.logos.com/forums/t/8883.aspx.

I mistakenly initially posted the 4.0b Beta 1 announcement about five minutes before the 4.0b installer was actually uploaded, so there was a small window when the beta release notes pointed to the 4.0a installer--perhaps this caused some confusion?

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71373#Comment_71373

as far as I knew one didn't have to 'share document files" between the two, i mean, one didn't have to set up anything special to be able to share. During the last beta, i had one computer with the SR and the other a beta, and I thought I had all documents on either. Did I not?

I don't remember if I get a special link from Bradley. I just found a link somewhere int he forum that said it was for beta downloads. I thought they were all the same link, whether for the beta from a month or two ago, or the current. Are they not? And why the heck is it so hard to find it? Why is there not a clear link somewhere (like a downloads page)? And when I downloaded for the beta, the beta had not actually been released yet, although i thought it was. Half the time here I dont' know what is going on!

thanks for weighing in, and I sitll would like some feedback on teh above. Sorry for following up so late. Time is scarce as i take on a few jobs and our life schedule is rearranged to stay afloat in this economy! But God is always good.

I apologize, I was not very clear. I shared the "My Documents" folder between the Windows user accounts. Therefore I am able to open all of my non-Logos documents to use in conjunction with any Beta use.

Toggling back and forth between user accounts can be annoying, this cuts way down on that.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71388#Comment_71388

Dan,

You sound really confused. I strongly urge you to read http://community.logos.com/forums/t/8883.aspx very carefully, before you mess something up. You need to create a separate Windows login account and download the beta there to keep any "new/updated" resources from over writing your 4.0a install and making it all unusable. You'll have to download all your resources again and re-index, b

Hi, thanks for trying to help, Chris. Trying to be more clear:

I have read that post by Bradley a few times, yes. I have also read other posts by people. And based on those posts, I assumed that creating another User account--which i know how to do--on the same computer, will keep the L4 versions separate. that is, I can have the regular release on one account and the beta on the other user account, and they will be maintained separately.
1. Based on that, on my church desktop, I created another user account that I called "Beta" (very original, i must say).
  1. Then, I went to the forums to search for the link to download the beta. It is posted in a few different threads. I don't think I used the Bradley Grainger post you refer to above, but I think I used the same link, but from another thread. I clicked on that link in my new "BETA" user account and let in run in the background, while I switched to my regular user account to work.
  2. After it downloaded and indexed, I thought it was the beta. I just made that assumption, without checking the release info.
2. Later, without remembering all the details, I discovered that the BETA user account I created did not have a beta version, but rather the SR-2.
  1. I also then realized that my "normal" user account also had the SR-2. I wondered why both had the SR-2. I wondered if perhaps I had read the threads wrong and that L4 created in one account affected the other. Kind of like setting up MS Office and using it on both accounts without installing twice.
3. Confusion ensued for the following factors:
  1. Apparantely no beta was actually released (according to a post I read by Melissa). Why I thought a beta was released, I don't know. I remember reading threads where guys said "notes seem to be faster/smoother" etc. What that was from, if not a new beta, i don't really know.
    1. so, if that link I used to set up L4 for the first time within my "BETA" user account did not download a Beta, did I have an incorrect link? Was it a link to a "normal" L4 install? I don't think it was, but maybe it was. But if it was a beta download link, how did it end up 4.0a SR-2? Did that happen automatically? Is that why my "normal" account also ended up SR-2 (ie, updating on its own)? I don't remember doing "update now". But perhaps you can see, not thinking I had an SR=2 on the normal account, but infact having it there, along with the fact that I had SR-2 on what I thought was my Beta download, made me think I had done something wrong or misunderstood information from these threads that said you could download betas on separate user accounts . . .
  2. Kevin Becker's comment about sharing L4 documents just added to my perception that I misunderstood something about the intricacies of installing the beta on another account. My assumption was that
    1. the beta and regular version would be separate
    2. but the notes/clippings, etc would all be the same, without having to share docs, because of the "cloud" at Logos that sync'd the user notes/docs, even if the L4 versions between accounts were different.

Anyhow, I now have reconfirmed that if I download a beta version on another user account on my computer, it will be kept separate from the other one. But I still need to figure out what Kevin meant, and b) also am still perplexed what happened when I downloaded what I thought was a beta (that hadn't been released yet, lol) but ended up with SR-2.

And I still want to know why it is so stinking hard to get a download link (I have saved Bradleys post as a favorite now, and that will show up in about 5 days on my profile in the favorite posts section). You would think that on the support page of Logos.com there would be a clear downloads page with clear links to either regular versions or to betas. If they are there, i haven't found them.

Anyway, thanks all, for weighing in.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71579#Comment_71579

apologize, I was not very clear. I shared the "My Documents" folder between the Windows user accounts. Therefore I am able to open all of my non-Logos documents to use in conjunction with any Beta use.

Ahhhh, I see what you mean. Hey, how DO you do that? LIke, share OneNote or Word/Powerpoint, etc between the two? I could figure it out but it usually takes me a while to figure it all out from scratch. If you can atleast point me in the right direction . . .

thank you!

Dan

Kevin Becker

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71646#Comment_71646

Ahhhh, I see what you mean. Hey, how DO you do that? LIke, share OneNote or Word/Powerpoint, etc between the two? I could figure it out but it usually takes me a while to figure it all out from scratch. If you can atleast point me in the right direction . . .

Right click on the folder you want to share, click properties. There will be a tab titled "Sharing" you should be able to figure it out from there.

Terry Poperszky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71653#Comment_71653

This may sound a little strange, but I run the beta under my main account so that it gets the majority of my use and then have set up a "stable" user account to fall back to if beta blows up, or I am not sure that the bug I am looking at is specific to the beta release.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71656#Comment_71656

This may sound a little strange, but I run the beta under my main account so that it gets the majority of my use and then have set up a "stable" user account to fall back to if beta blows up, or I am not sure that the bug I am looking at is specific to the beta release.

Terry the Toolman Beta Power man . . . ARRRRR Arrrr arrrrrrrr (however you would mimic tim the toolman's growl)

Doesn't sound strange, If Beta works, and you are confident of your computer skills, it is actually quite smart! IF.

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71653#Comment_71653

Ahhhh, I see what you mean. Hey, how DO you do that? LIke, share OneNote or Word/Powerpoint, etc between the two? I could figure it out but it usually takes me a while to figure it all out from scratch. If you can atleast point me in the right direction . . .

Right click on the folder you want to share, click properties. There will be a tab titled "Sharing" you should be able to figure it out from there.

Thanks Kevin!

SteveF

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71642#Comment_71642

And I still want to know why it is so stinking hard to get a download link (I have saved Bradleys post as a favorite now, and that will show up in about 5 days on my profile in the favorite posts section). You would think that on the support page of Logos.com there would be a clear downloads page with clear links to either regular versions or to betas. If they are there, i haven't found them.

Thank you for echoing my frustration. I was trying to find these files for a poster who had to re-instal.

I could NOT find them on the Wiki no matter what I put into the search box etc, nor in the Table of Contents.

There was one reference on the website to the "free" engine, but so far every one has warned (new buyers) about less functions/resources and I did not know if someone who was re-installing would be "penalized." All the other Logos website links appeared to be for new purchasers or for "upgraders.".

The ONLY way I could find links was searching these forums under Bradleys name and also using the "code" name for the file release ie "4.0a SR2" etc.

This is NOT clear - others might give up in frustration etc.

Two of us eventually found and posted a link which was able to help our "brother" in need.

IT SHOULD BE EASIER THAN THIS!

Steve

Chris Elford

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/71642#Comment_71642

Based on that, on my church desktop, I created another user account that I called "Beta" (very original, i must say).
Then, I went to the forums to search for the link to download the beta. It is posted in a few different threads. I don't think I used the Bradley Grainger post you refer to above, but I think I used the same link, but from another thread. I clicked on that link in my new "BETA" user account and let in run in the background, while I switched to my regular user account to work.

Dan,

Did you open Logos in your other account while the beta was downloading/installing/indexing? I've found that I can't have the beta open in my beta account and my stable logos open in my main account at the same time - both are then actively trying to sync and that messes up the server. And/or it messes with some "active registry-type" files that are common to any logos install on the machine - i.e., when you open logos in any account it writes temp files in, say, c:\windows. If two copies are running simultaneously, albeit in separate user accounts, they may cause conflict.

I'm thinking you may have clicked on the non-beta install or you may have "somehow in a technical way i have no idea how it would work" gotten the install program from your stable account to "over write" the beta installer - based on the idea that your "My Documents" is accessible and shared between them - that opens portals between accounts that might confuse things. Bradley says use separate machines - no concern of common files or getting at files in a different account.

Not sure beyond that. Hope it makes sense.

Chris

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/72657#Comment_72657

Dan,

Did you open Logos in your other account while the beta was downloading/installing/indexing? I've found that I can't have the beta open in my beta account and my stable logos open in my main account at the same time - both are then actively trying to sync and that messes up the server. And/or it messes with some "active registry-type" files that are common to any logos install on the machine - i.e., when you open logos in any account it writes temp files in, say, c:\windows. If two copies are running simultaneously, albeit in separate user accounts, they may cause conflict.

Thanks, this may be a stability issue I have had on my desktop of late. I have had both running . . .

I'm thinking you may have clicked on the non-beta install or you may have "somehow in a technical way i have no idea how it would work" gotten the install program from your stable account to "over write" the beta installer - based on the idea that your "My Documents" is accessible and shared between them - that opens portals between accounts that might confuse things.

My Docs had not been shared at that point. As for the install, i just realized I could probably go back in my history and check.

Bradley says use separate machines - no concern of common files or getting at files in a different account.

technically he says you can also have a separate user account on the same computer (however implied from his earlier warning, your computer could crash . . . )

Thanks for checking up again on this Chris. Anyway, now I have beta on one and SR2 on the other account.