installing beta as other user

Kevin Becker said:

I shared my document files with the beta testing account

as far as I knew one didn't have to 'share document files" between the two, i mean, one didn't have to set up anything special to be able to share.  During the last beta, i had one computer with the SR and the other a beta, and I thought I had all documents on either.  Did I not?

I don't remember if I get a special link from Bradley.  I just found a link somewhere int he forum that said it was for beta downloads.  I thought they were all the same link, whether for the beta from a month or two ago, or the current.  Are they not?  And why the heck is it so hard to find it?  Why is there not a clear link somewhere (like a downloads page)?  And when I downloaded for the beta, the beta had not actually been released yet, although i thought it was.  Half the time here I dont' know what is going on!  [:P]

thanks for weighing in, and I sitll would like some feedback on teh above.  Sorry for following up so late.  Time is scarce as i take on a few jobs and our life schedule is rearranged to stay afloat in this economy!  But God is always good.

Chris Elford said:

Dan,

You sound really confused. I strongly urge you to read http://community.logos.com/forums/t/8883.aspx very carefully, before you mess something up. You need to create a separate Windows login account and download the beta there to keep any "new/updated" resources from over writing your 4.0a install and making it all unusable. You'll have to download all your resources again and re-index, b

Hi, thanks for trying to help, Chris.  Trying to be more clear:

1. I have read that post by Bradley a few times, yes.  I have also read other posts by people.  And based on those posts, I assumed that creating another User account--which i know how to do--on the same computer, will keep the L4 versions separate.  that is, I can have the regular release on one account and the beta on the other user account, and they will be maintained separately.
   1. Based on that, on my church desktop, I created another user account that I called "Beta" (very original, i must say).
      1. Then, I went to the forums to search for the link to download the beta.  It is posted in a few different threads.  I don't think I used the Bradley Grainger post you refer to above, but I think I used the same link, but from another thread.  I clicked on that link in my new "BETA" user account and let in run in the background, while I switched to my regular user account to work.
      2. After it downloaded and indexed, I thought it was the beta.  I just made that assumption, without checking the release info.
   2. Later, without remembering all the details, I discovered that the BETA user account I created did not have a beta version, but rather the SR-2.
      1. I also then realized that my "normal" user account also had the SR-2.  I wondered why both had the SR-2.  I wondered if perhaps I had read the threads wrong and that L4 created in one account affected the other.  Kind of like setting up MS Office and using it on both accounts without installing twice.
   3. Confusion ensued for the following factors:
      1. Apparantely no beta was actually released (according to a post I read by Melissa).  Why I thought a beta was released, I don't know.  I remember reading threads where guys said "notes seem to be faster/smoother" etc.  What that was from, if not a new beta, i don't really know.  
         1. so, if that link I used to set up L4 for the first time within my "BETA" user account did not download a Beta, did I have an incorrect link?  Was it a link to a "normal" L4 install?  I don't think it was, but maybe it was.  But if it was a beta download link, how did it end up  4.0a SR-2?  Did that happen automatically?  Is that why my "normal" account also ended up SR-2 (ie, updating on its own)?  I don't remember doing "update now".  But perhaps you can see, not thinking I had an SR=2 on the normal account, but infact having it there, along with the fact that I had SR-2 on what I thought was my Beta download, made me think I had done something wrong or misunderstood information from these threads that said you could download betas on separate user accounts . . . 
      2. Kevin Becker's comment about sharing L4 documents just added to my perception that I misunderstood something about the intricacies of installing the beta on another account.  My assumption was that 
         1. the beta and regular version would be separate
         2. but the notes/clippings, etc would all be the same, without having to share docs, because of the "cloud" at Logos that sync'd the user notes/docs, even if the L4 versions between accounts were different.

Anyhow, I now have reconfirmed that if I download a beta version on another user account on my computer, it will be kept separate from the other one.  But I still need to figure out what Kevin meant, and b) also am still perplexed what happened when I downloaded what I thought was a beta (that hadn't been released yet, lol) but ended up with SR-2.

And I still want to know why it is so stinking hard to get a download link (I have saved Bradleys post as a favorite now, and that will show up in about 5 days on my profile in the favorite posts section).  You would think that on the support page of Logos.com there would be a clear downloads page with clear links to either regular versions or to betas.  If they are there, i haven't found them.

Anyway, thanks all, for weighing in.

Terry Poperszky said:

This may sound a little strange, but I run the beta under my main account so that it gets the majority of my use and then have set up a "stable" user account to fall back to if beta blows up, or I am not sure that the bug I am looking at is specific to the beta release.

Terry the Toolman Beta Power man . . . ARRRRR Arrrr arrrrrrrr (however you would mimic tim the toolman's growl)

Doesn't sound strange,  If Beta works, and you are confident of your computer skills, it is actually quite smart!  IF.  

Chris Elford said:

Dan,

Did you open Logos in your other account while the beta was downloading/installing/indexing? I've found that I can't have the beta open in my beta account and my stable logos open in my main account at the same time - both are then actively trying to sync and that messes up the server. And/or it messes with some "active registry-type" files that are common to any logos install on the machine - i.e., when you open logos in any account it writes temp files in, say, c:\windows. If two copies are running simultaneously, albeit in separate user accounts, they may cause conflict.

Thanks, this may be a stability issue I have had on my desktop of late.  I have had both running . . . 

Chris Elford said:

I'm thinking you may have clicked on the non-beta install or you may have "somehow in a technical way i have no idea how it would work" gotten the install program from your stable account to "over write" the beta installer - based on the idea that your "My Documents" is accessible and shared between them - that opens portals between accounts that might confuse things.

My Docs had not been shared at that point.  As for the install, i just realized I could probably go back in my history and check.

Chris Elford said:

Bradley says use separate machines - no concern of common files or getting at files in a different account.

technically he says you can also have a separate user account on the same computer (however implied from his earlier warning, your computer could crash . . . )

Thanks for checking up again on this Chris.  Anyway, now I have beta on one and SR2 on the other account.