Noet Research Libraries (with desktop app) are finally here!
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Thanks for the screen shots Todd.
I was going to comment on my surprise that Factbook was included in Noet. I'm just now installing Noet so maybe I'll not update to 6.0a and see if Factbook is functional.
Todd Phillips said:Todd Phillips said:I installed it and logged in with my test id (which only has free resources associated with it). Here is a screenshot with the home page and Tools menu. It's basically a subset of Logos (plus, notice the Guides menu is not available).
After I took the screenshot above, it updated Noet to 6.0a. Now the tools menu is slightly different--Factbook is gone and Community Notes is available:
Should Factbook have disappeared?
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Ben Amundgaard said:
For the time being, dynamic pricing is not available on the Biblical Greek Research Library.
Ben, doesn't this inflate the price of the Humanities Research Library which includes this Library? It seems my dynamic price for the Humanities Research Library is just a bit less than the total for three libraries I get dynamic pricing on.
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Mark Smith said:Ben Amundgaard said:
For the time being, dynamic pricing is not available on the Biblical Greek Research Library.
Ben, doesn't this inflate the price of the Humanities Research Library which includes this Library? It seems my dynamic price for the Humanities Research Library is just a bit less than the total for three libraries I get dynamic pricing on.
Hey Mark,
It shouldn't affect dynamic pricing on the Humanities Research Library at all. (Evidence of this is Randy and Rosie's examples where their total price for the Humanities Library is below the price of just the Biblical Greek Library.)
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Hey Ben, did you see the question above about Norton editions? Is there any word on this?
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Joseph Turner said:
Hey Ben, did you see the question above about Norton editions? Is there any word on this?
Hey Joseph,
Yes, I did see it. Sorry I didn't respond right away.
It is a passion of mine to get as many Norton resources in the Noet catalogue as possible. I think they are made for Noet (can you imagine how great it would be to read, say, the Norton Critical Edition of Machiavelli in Noet with Power Lookup open?).
Thanks for your question, though, it reminds me that I need to followup on that particular project.
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Ben Amundgaard said:Joseph Turner said:
Hey Ben, did you see the question above about Norton editions? Is there any word on this?
Hey Joseph,
Yes, I did see it. Sorry I didn't respond right away.
It is a passion of mine to get as many Norton resources in the Noet catalogue as possible. I think they are made for Noet (can you imagine how great it would be to read, say, the Norton Critical Edition of Machiavelli in Noet with Power Lookup open?).
Thanks for your question, though, it reminds me that I need to followup on that particular project.
Thanks Ben, I just didn't want you to get away. This is something for which I have been hoping for quite some time!
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Don't forget you have to login to Noet seperately (then you may see dynamic pricing)....
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What is the advantage to having a dedicated Noet app? Don't the books purchased in a Noet package show up in Logos as well? Or is this for those who don't own Logos? Thanks for any clarification!
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Ben Amundgaard said:
It is a passion of mine to get as many Norton resources in the Noet catalogue as possible.
That would be awesome! [Y]
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I am working on my second coffee, but still I could not see a list of "what's new to you" on Noet products. They look interesting but it would be good to get through the mass of information and see clearly what one would gain by getting one of these packages. Or is my coffee not working yet?
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That was a great offer I couldn’t refuse. Purchased the Judaica Research Library and picked up 41 new resources for nearly the cost of the JPS Classic Midrash Collection alone. Excellent value! Even if one doesn’t have any of the titles, that bundle price is very, very good at $999.95 (and even better at 15% off) because the 41 resources I picked up sell for over $1000 individually. Thank you Noet for the wonderful research library addition!
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I am really looking forward to the type of tools that I imagine Noet will drive on the desktop app (starting with fixing the Cited By tool or creating a more powerful equivalent!). I imagine that like that much more will be on the way as well.
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Francis said:
I am working on my second coffee, but still I could not see a list of "what's new to you" on Noet products. They look interesting but it would be good to get through the mass of information and see clearly what one would gain by getting one of these packages. Or is my coffee not working yet?
Hey Francis,
Don't worry, your coffee is working!
I don't have a good solution for that right now (other than to call sales). The package configuration doesn't lend itself well to a comparison chart (mainly because they don't all "stack" in the same way that Logos BPs do) and I don't have a better option at this point.
I think sales can give you a pretty quick rundown of what would be new to you if you want to give them a call.
Thanks!
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I downloaded the free desktop Noet engine yesterday. After I logged in, it started to download 30+ GB of data. I stopped it. I already have the resources downloaded in Logos on the same laptop. Just don't want to download duplicate resources on the same computer. Should I download the 30+ GB of data? Please advise. Thank you.
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I hope I'm not going to need to run two programs. The reason I went with Logos in the first place was to avoid running more than one program. I'm downloading the Noet program right now to see what are the differences. Hopefully it's just a stripped down version. Please don't create competing programs.
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Alex Bui said:
I downloaded the free desktop Noet engine yesterday. After I logged in, it started to download 30+ GB of data. I stopped it. I already have the resources downloaded in Logos on the same laptop. Just don't want to download duplicate resources on the same computer. Should I download the 30+ GB of data? Please advise. Thank you.
No. Use Method 3 from https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers#Method_3
In Noet, enter scan <path to your logos resources> in the Command box
Restart Logos.
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James C. said:
I hope I'm not going to need to run two programs. The reason I went with Logos in the first place was to avoid running more than one program. I'm downloading the Noet program right now to see what are the differences. Hopefully it's just a stripped down version. Please don't create competing programs.
Currently it is just a stripped down version, AFAICT. Some menu entries hidden although some of them can be opened from the command box or from synced layouts. Nothing new. I downloaded it (to my old hd) to check it out and see what's what, but I don't think there is currently any reason to have both installed. Of course, I don't know what their future plans are.
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Randy W. Sims said:Alex Bui said:
I downloaded the free desktop Noet engine yesterday. After I logged in, it started to download 30+ GB of data. I stopped it. I already have the resources downloaded in Logos on the same laptop. Just don't want to download duplicate resources on the same computer. Should I download the 30+ GB of data? Please advise. Thank you.
No. Use Method 3 from https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers#Method_3
In Noet, enter scan <path to your logos resources> in the Command box
Restart Logos.
Thanks Randy. When I started to sign in Noet, the download began immediately. I stopped the download and I was not able to go to Noet homepage yet. Any other suggestion? How do you find out where your logos resources reside? Thanks.
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Alex Bui said:
After I logged in, it started to download 30+ GB of data. I stopped it. I already have the resources downloaded in Logos on the same laptop. Just don't want to download duplicate resources on the same computer.
I saw that the Noet packages can be purchased from the Logos website. Perhaps that's the route to go if one does not want two installations?
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Just to be clear: all the Noet packages will work in the Logos and Verbum apps (like any other Logos resource). There is no need to download the Noet desktop app unless you want to.
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Ben Amundgaard said:
Just to be clear: all the Noet packages will work in the Logos and Verbum apps (like any other Logos resource). There is no need to download the Noet desktop app unless you want to.
Ben,
Can you confirm whether Noet is merely a subset of Logos, or whether there are Noet features not available in Logos/Verbum.
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Alex Bui said:Randy W. Sims said:Alex Bui said:
I downloaded the free desktop Noet engine yesterday. After I logged in, it started to download 30+ GB of data. I stopped it. I already have the resources downloaded in Logos on the same laptop. Just don't want to download duplicate resources on the same computer. Should I download the 30+ GB of data? Please advise. Thank you.
No. Use Method 3 from https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers#Method_3
In Noet, enter scan <path to your logos resources> in the Command box
Restart Logos.
Thanks Randy. When I started to sign in Noet, the download began immediately. I stopped the download and I was not able to go to Noet homepage yet. Any other suggestion?
I haven't done this enough times to be able to picture where you might be. Has Noet opened past the initial dialogs? Are you looking at the Noet app, opened? With the command box displayed beside the tools menu? If not, start Noet while holding down the control button. When it opens go to Settings and set Use Internet to off, the restart Noet.
Alex Bui said:How do you find out where your logos resources reside?
Resource location depends on OS. On Windows, the easiest method is probably to find the Logos icon on your desktop or start menu, right-click it and select Properties. Then click the Open File Location button. That will open File explorer. Navigate down through the directories, "Data", <random_id>, "ResourceManager", Resources. Then click in the address bar and copy the path shown.
On Mac, I believe it's something like /Users/<username>/Desktop/Resources
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Thanks Ben for saving me some times.
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Ben Amundgaard said:
They are different. The Noet desktop app is geared more for the study of the humanities in general and, consequently, has a different set of tools (or, perhaps, the tools are configured in a way that is more appropriate for the humanities).
Todd Phillips said:notice the Guides menu is not available
But you're also selling Judaica! And a Biblical Greek Research Library! Whether those are bought by Jews or by secular students, they are going to need the same tools as we have in Logos.
Mark Barnes said:Ben,
Can you confirm whether Noet is merely a subset of Logos, or whether there are Noet features not available in Logos/Verbum.
Or will be in the future?
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Personally I'm hoping that Noet builds the market to require the text analysis tools that are missing in Verbum/Logos. I would prefer that the features be available across all the markets, that the difference be default settings.
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Mark Barnes said:
Ben,
Can you confirm whether Noet is merely a subset of Logos, or whether there are Noet features not available in Logos/Verbum.
Hey Mark,
More or less (I hesitate to give an unqualified yes). We've tweaked a few things and renamed a few things so that they are a better fit for the market. In essence, though, there are no Noet features that are not available in Logos/Verbum (unless you count the awesome logo as a feature [;)]). To reiterate what I said before, if you are an existing Logos/Verbum user, there is no need to download the Noet desktop app.
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MJ. Smith said:
Personally I'm hoping that Noet builds the market to require the text analysis tools that are missing in Verbum/Logos. I would prefer that the features be available across all the markets, that the difference be default settings.
I would love some examples/ideas for new features/tools. Feel free to email me any time ben (dot) amundgaard (at) noet (dot) com
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Question: Since Noet is based on L6, is it 64 Bit?
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Ben Amundgaard said:Mark Barnes said:
Ben,
Can you confirm whether Noet is merely a subset of Logos, or whether there are Noet features not available in Logos/Verbum.
Hey Mark,
More or less (I hesitate to give an unqualified yes). We've tweaked a few things and renamed a few things so that they are a better fit for the market. In essence, though, there are no Noet features that are not available in Logos/Verbum (unless you count the awesome logo as a feature
). To reiterate what I said before, if you are an existing Logos/Verbum user, there is no need to download the Noet desktop app.I was curious and downloaded Noet (I must've missed that highlighted part - 'doh' me [:$]); can I uninstall without any ill effects to my Logos installation?
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