I just saw the Church Pulpit Commentaries set on kindle for $2.99
logos price today $199.99 are links really worth that much seems alot high...
EDIT: Here are the links again so as to avoid further confusion
https://www.logos.com/product/8516/church-pulpit-commentary
http://www.amazon.com/Church-Pulpit-Commentary-vol-Now-ebook/dp/B00JMOLPU4/ref=pd_ys_sf_s_154606011_a2_3_p?ie=UTF8&refRID=0DYN17GM2AFPSBBYDKED
Reported as spam. Why are You advertising other companies?
Not spam... I ask a valid question, I only posted the link as to let you know and see what I was seeing. and noticed you avoided the question all togather... would you like to try again?
I checked logos price because I would have liked to buy it from them.
So You think linking to the biggest competitor is AOK?
That's neither here or there, there is a valid question you have chose to avoid. If you would like i'll remove the link but anybody can google it and find the same price i did, I only posted it for convenience.
I also bought an $1800 program from logos I think that speaks for its self...Nuf said...
I just saw the Pulpit Commentaries set on kindle for $2.99 http://www.amazon.com/Church-Pulpit-Commentary-vol-Now-ebook/dp/B00JMOLPU4/ref=pd_ys_sf_s_154606011_a2_3_p?ie=UTF8&refRID=0DYN17GM2AFPSBBYDKED logos price today $199.99 are links really worth that much seems alot high.
I just saw the Pulpit Commentaries set on kindle for $2.99
logos price today $199.99 are links really worth that much seems alot high.
Not for a Public Domain work it isn't. Or at least this one, to me. Had it not come in a package I likely would not even own it. If you desire this resource and would prefer it in Logos, be sure to check upgrade packages first.
It's also my understanding that logos has linked itself with kindle (amazon) has it not...
Not for a Public Domain work it isn't. Or at least this one, to me. Had it not come in a package I likely would not even own it.
What package did you get it in?
No they have not. You can read books You paid to Logos on a Kindle device, that doesn't benefit Amazon, and Faithlife has likely estimated that the feature will turn into revenue rather than customers going to Amazon:
Faithlife has likely estimated that the feature will turn into revenue rather than customers going to Amazon:
By who's account, yours? Do you work for Logos? Are you going to even attempt to answer the question? And the only reason I checked amazon was because of the kindle feature, so get off your logos high horse and quit assuming what you don't know...
I just saw the Pulpit Commentaries set on kindle for $2.99 logos price today $199.99 are links really worth that much seems alot high.
IMO, it's not worth it. I don't begrudge Logos for charging more for it, but I would never pay that much. If you want it, look for a sale.
I got it in an older base package (it was originally in Logos 3.0 Scholar’s Library: Silver and some later packages), but I have hidden it to save disk space. I personally didn't find it useful and view it as filler. I suppose if you didn't have any other commentaries it might have its place. It's currently in some of the higher end denominational packages. But if I wanted it, I doubt I would buy it (or any commentary) in Kindle format...it's just that frustrating not to have links.
BTW I see $169 as the price for it.
IMO, it's not worth it. I don't begrudge Logos for charging more for it, but I would never pay that much. If you want it, look for a sale. I got it in an older base package (it was originally in Logos 3.0 Scholar’s Library: Silver and some later packages), and I have hidden it to save disk space. I personally didn't find it useful and view it as filler. I suppose if you didn't have any other commentaries it might have its place. It's currently in some of the higher end denominational packages.
I got it in an older base package (it was originally in Logos 3.0 Scholar’s Library: Silver and some later packages), and I have hidden it to save disk space. I personally didn't find it useful and view it as filler. I suppose if you didn't have any other commentaries it might have its place. It's currently in some of the higher end denominational packages.
Thanks for the Helpful input, I don't mind spending more in logos I just thought this was way to much for public domain. thanks again[:)]
IMO, it's not worth it. I don't begrudge Logos for charging more for it, but I would never pay that much. If you want it, look for a sale. I got it in an older base package (it was originally in Logos 3.0 Scholar’s Library: Silver and some later packages), and I have hidden it to save disk space. I personally didn't find it useful and view it as filler. I suppose if you didn't have any other commentaries it might have its place. It's currently in some of the higher end denominational packages. Thanks for the Helpful input, I don't mind spending more in logos I just thought this was way to much for public domain. thanks again
Thanks for the Helpful input, I don't mind spending more in logos I just thought this was way to much for public domain. thanks again
Since it is public domain, Faithlife might have more latitude in giving discounts than they do for copyrighted stuff. A call to Sales might be worthwhile to ask if they can give you a deal on it.
BTW: here's a thread where others comment on the Pulpit commentary: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/26524/201296.aspx
I have this as part of an older base package (I think I got it with L4)
I don't see the $2.99 Kindle edition of the same. What I do see, is $2.99 for 1 volume of the set.
I just saw the Pulpit Commentaries set on kindle for $2.99 logos price today $199.99 are links really worth that much seems alot high. I have this as part of an older base package (I think I got it with L4) I don't see the $2.99 Kindle edition of the same. What I do see, is $2.99 for 1 volume of the set.
Its all 12 books in one book.. it's digital
I just saw the Pulpit Commentaries set on kindle for $2.99 logos price today $199.99 are links really worth that much seems alot high. I have this as part of an older base package (I think I got it with L4) I don't see the $2.99 Kindle edition of the same. What I do see, is $2.99 for 1 volume of the set. Its all 12 books in one book.. it's digital Church Pulpit Commentary (12 vol. Now In One) [Kindle Edition]
Hmm, this looks to be a different commentary than the "The Pulpit Commentary" which is at least 23 volumes and edited by H.D.M. Spence.
Right, I thought it's 77 volumes.
Hmm, this looks to be a different commentary than the "The Pulpit Commentary" which is at least 23 volumes and edited by H.D.M. Spence
The Kindle version is found here in individual volumes: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=H.D.M.+Spence at $5.88 apiece. That would make a full kindle set at least $135 (23 vols), but I counted 33 in the search listing which would be $194 --even more than Logos. Logos is the better deal after all (even the Hendrickson edition hardbacks are the same price as the Logos editions), plus it's so much easier to use than the paper or Kindle editions.
I'm a little bit surprised that you're so concerned. [1, 2, 3, 4, etc.]
Ya'll get your facts straight, here is the logos 12 volume set for $199.99 same set as on that other site for 2.99 only difference is the cover...Look at the authors and book descriptions all the same
Reported as spam. Why are You advertising other companies? I'm a little bit surprised that you're so concerned. [1, 2, 3, 4, etc.]
Good Post William...[:)]
https://www.logos.com/product/8516/church-pulpit-commentary http://www.amazon.com/Church-Pulpit-Commentary-vol-Now-ebook/dp/B00JMOLPU4/ref=pd_ys_sf_s_154606011_a2_3_p?ie=UTF8&refRID=0DYN17GM2AFPSBBYDKED Ya'll get your facts straight, here is the logos 12 volume set for $199.99 same set as on that other site for 2.99 only difference is the cover...Look at the authors and book descriptions all the same
Thanks for the link. I retract my comments.
As you had the wrong title in your original post (Pulpit Commentary != Church Pulpit Commentary), and no link to the Logos set you were considering, can you really blame us for being confused?
https://www.logos.com/product/8516/church-pulpit-commentary http://www.amazon.com/Church-Pulpit-Commentary-vol-Now-ebook/dp/B00JMOLPU4/ref=pd_ys_sf_s_154606011_a2_3_p?ie=UTF8&refRID=0DYN17GM2AFPSBBYDKED Ya'll get your facts straight, here is the logos 12 volume set for $199.99 same set as on that other site for 2.99 only difference is the cover...Look at the authors and book descriptions all the same Thanks for the link. I retract my comments. As you had the wrong title in your original post (Pulpit Commentary != Church Pulpit Commentary), and no link to the Logos set you were considering, can you really blame us for being confused?
I had the link in the original post so there would be no confusion but there was a whiner who said I was advertising and it was spam so I removed it..[:(]
Do you have the set and what are your thoughts on it?
2 different sets with similar titles.
https://www.logos.com/product/5768/the-pulpit-commentary
I had the link in the original post so there would be no confusion but there was a whiner who said I was advertising and it was spam so I removed it..
I meant the link to the Logos set
I do not own it, so I have no thoughts.
BTW, this was originally on Community Pricing and the winning bid was $40. (https://web.archive.org/web/20111205033646/http://www.logos.com/product/8516/church-pulpit-commentary). So others might have it, but your thread title isn't going to lead them here.
You might see if you can edit your first post to change the title to "Church Pulpit Commentary", or even better, post a new thread asking for opinions since this thread is now full of confusion.
I just talked to someone in sales, no help there and here I quote this person "I work in sales not in pricing" I get it...so I e-mailed customer service and we'll see if they reply...
Will Do...
I had the link in the original post so there would be no confusion but there was a whiner who said I was advertising and it was spam so I removed it.. I meant the link to the Logos set Do you have the set and what are your thoughts on it? I do not own it, so I have no thoughts. BTW, this was originally on Community Pricing and the winning bid was $40. (https://web.archive.org/web/20111205033646/http://www.logos.com/product/8516/church-pulpit-commentary). So others might have it, but your thread title isn't going to lead them here. You might see if you can edit your first post to change the title to "Church Pulpit Commentary", or even better, post a new thread asking for opinions since this thread is now full of confusion.
Bryan, I picked this up in CP, and it appears it went for $35 according to my email records.
Obviously, anyone can package up a Public Domain work and sell it for a small price on Amazon. You could create a Church Pulpit Commentary eBook and sell it for $0.99 if you wanted to compete against the $3 book.
That said, the two things aren't directly comparable. You don't get all the benefits of Logos tagging and integration with an PD eBook. So the Logos version should and does cost more--they put work into it that you're also buying. This has been discussed numerous times on the forums if you have any interest in seeing the history.
This does bring up the question, what is Logos' tagging and integration worth? It is definitely not worth $197 for a 12 book commentary set. When I see inflated prices like that in the store, it makes me think that the company overvalues their offerings.
When we the community bid on this product in 2012, it was clear that we thought it was worth $35. Now, Logos has a right to sell it for whatever they see fit, but it seems like there are some very narrow blinders on if they think they can sell it standalone at $200. It also seems to say a lot when they won't budge on the price much when you call sales. These PD works are 100% pure profit for them, and they are entitled to every penny they earn from that profit, but I think they communicate something to their users and prospective users when they approach products like this the way they do.
My recommendation--find the text, stick it in a Word Document and make yourself a Personal Book until you can buy the set for a reasonable price from Logos.
To be absolutely clear: in many cases turning a public domain work into proprietary Logos format is equally much work as for a modern work, and in some cases even more work! Let me explain: they have to input the Greek and Hebrew as well, they need to proof-read the entire book or set, they may at times need experts in languages: older English and Biblical languages, they ALWAYS proof-read OCRs thoroughly. OCR may sound cheap but the original investments in the OCR-machines is expensive. They need original printed matter to check all of this and sometimes it's difficult or poses problems or accumulates costs to get hold of very rare books and many times the only copies they can get hold of are full of notes, pencil markings or highlightings rendering OCRs worthless.
So the cost may exceed that of comparable modern works that have costs for royalties because they are (still) copyrighted.
I bought a probably public domain (it's from 1928 or 1929) volume of International Critical Commentary. Despite that I ordered other items for US$1,400 in addition to it, I was unable to get any discount whatsoever on that one book - in fact it was the only item in the order that was not discounted in some way. I've usually been able to get discounts, exceptions may have occurred when I emailed the general sales email address, or called on a Saturday (my regular sales rep doesn't ever work in the Bellingham office on Saturday), or when I ordered two bargain books only at a time. It's also getting more and more difficult to get a discount if not using the regular sales rep, if I contact the sales rep that happens to be available at the very second I reach Sales I get only 0-15% off nowadays and I don't see the reason why as earlier on I've been told that I've spent enough so far to qualify for 25-30% off (30% being rare though):
Now, Logos has a right to sell it for whatever they see fit, but it seems like there are some very narrow blinders on if they think they can sell it standalone at $200. It also seems to say a lot when they won't budge on the price much when you call sales. These PD works are 100% pure profit for them, and they are entitled to every penny they earn from that profit, but I think they communicate something to their users and prospective users when they approach products like this the way they do.
To be absolutely clear: in many cases turning a public domain work into proprietary Logos format is equally much work as for a modern work, and in some cases even more work!
I'm not convinced by your OCR argument for several reasons, but we need not dwell on that (also, based on what I've seen in my library, I strongly disagree that they proof-read OCR thoroughly). It's moot in this case because it would be the naive way to start this project. The text is and has been available. For instance, http://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cpc/
Even that does not matter because the community has paid for the production of the material via Community Pricing. I, along with the hundreds or thousands of others who bid on this product, financed Logos' production of The Church Pulpit Commentary and there is no more cost to Logos for this product. There is no more cost to create the resource, there are no license fees to pay anyone--the only cost left is the very small marginal cost to store and deliver the electronic product. Every dollar they sell the product for is pure profit.
I want to reiterate that I'm not opposed to this arrangement. Yet, I can't help but think that the way it's structured now shows a lack of wisdom on Logos' part. When the community was jumping on the bandwagon to get the resource in production over two years ago, they thought a fair price was $35. I think that's a great price and I'm glad I got it. Do they really think that they can sell it at 5.7x that price now? Is their tagging really worth that much for a PD work? Are they helping themselves out when they're stingy with PD discounts on products that are paid in full already?
Good call, Todd. This is not the same series
The idea of most Community Pricing collections/sets is not that they upon entering live status are available perpetually, but that they are available for the patient customers when still at Community Pricing bid level. When they go to pre-pub or live status they are seen as unavailable for new purchases because of prices that are prohibitive except that perhaps when the collections/sets are broken up a couple of individual volumes can be bought. Even so Logos has made a great service in offering them for a reasonable price to some. The alternative would have been that they would never have shipped in Logos format and so there would never have been any tagged, searchable, highlightable or annotable Editions, most likely ever. Plus compare to that hunting print copies can be laborious for the customer which also gets more and more difficult when the books get older, the postage higher and antiquarian bookshops less and less profitable because of the competition from Amazon Kindle and other simplified ebook-formats:
Yet, I can't help but think that the way it's structured now shows a lack of wisdom on Logos' part. When the community was jumping on the bandwagon to get the resource in production over two years ago, they thought a fair price was $35. I think that's a great price and I'm glad I got it. Do they really think that they can sell it at 5.7x that price now? Is their tagging really worth that much for a PD work? Are they helping themselves out when they're stingy with PD discounts on products that are paid in full already?
Hmm, this looks to be a different commentary than the "The Pulpit Commentary" which is at least 23 volumes and edited by H.D.M. Spence. Good call, Todd. This is not the same series
ARE THE SAME. Check them out...
Bryan, I picked this up in CP, and it appears it went for $35 according to my email records. Obviously, anyone can package up a Public Domain work and sell it for a small price on Amazon. You could create a Church Pulpit Commentary eBook and sell it for $0.99 if you wanted to compete against the $3 book. That said, the two things aren't directly comparable. You don't get all the benefits of Logos tagging and integration with an PD eBook. So the Logos version should and does cost more--they put work into it that you're also buying. This has been discussed numerous times on the forums if you have any interest in seeing the history. This does bring up the question, what is Logos' tagging and integration worth? It is definitely not worth $197 for a 12 book commentary set. When I see inflated prices like that in the store, it makes me think that the company overvalues their offerings. When we the community bid on this product in 2012, it was clear that we thought it was worth $35. Now, Logos has a right to sell it for whatever they see fit, but it seems like there are some very narrow blinders on if they think they can sell it standalone at $200. It also seems to say a lot when they won't budge on the price much when you call sales. These PD works are 100% pure profit for them, and they are entitled to every penny they earn from that profit, but I think they communicate something to their users and prospective users when they approach products like this the way they do. My recommendation--find the text, stick it in a Word Document and make yourself a Personal Book until you can buy the set for a reasonable price from Logos.
I think I'll take your advice William, Thanks for the post.[:)]
Yes, Brian. Dont know why my post is do far down the list. Guess a lot of posting at the same time. I have the series by Nesbit. I got it on community pricing and I am glad for it. But I would not pay the price being asked now.
