How can I go back to Logos 7?

Tito Reinaldo said:

I don't like the new UI, feels cheap.

I want to go back to the way it was, how can I do that?

Am close to asking the same question Tito

Actually like the UI just feel like I'm testing a Beta and don't have the time to be a Beta tester.

The UI is not THAT much different than L7. I don't really understand your point. Do you not also like the new tools that come with L8?

Lynden Williams said:

Uninstall eight and down load seven. You may have to ask logos to block your account from receiving 8 until you are ready for it, otherwise it will simply update 

Hmmm ... on previous versions, they said updated meant updated (absent some registry surgery). But maybe L8 is a web app in sheeps clothing, and no problem.

I have to agree L8 home page is awful. Never liked the web app and now the desktop homepage looks awful too, it no longer looks like  professional bible study software package but instead one for children. Added to the fact it’s incompete and we are being told we have to wait for a future update before we can remove all the marketing fluff from it, it does not give a good first chance impression of the software.

I remember when everyone hated the new iOS design back in 2012-13ish. It looked so different (aka, cheap, cartoon-y, etc) compared to what we were used to for 4-5 years. The new L8 design reminded me of that 

Three negatives so far:

1) Home page is pretty bad. No way to clear out the junk and just peruse ONLY items that interest me. Cannot find out how to choose default Bible.

2)Clicking on Daily Bible reading plan jumps to a new layout rather than opening my Bible in my preferred layout to the correct readings.

3) Corresponding highlights from one translation to another is gone.

Thanks for the reply David. The most irritating is the Bible Reading plan glitch. my layouts feature larger font and the default layout for reading a Bible Reading Plan has tiny font. It will be good to get control again.

Also, I really need to be in control of the default Bible and be able to change that.  Prioritization works differently. The default works across platforms and had ramifications downstream.

David Taylor Jr said:

John C Connell Jr. said:

Three negatives so far:

1) Home page is pretty bad. No way to clear out the junk and just peruse ONLY items that interest me. Cannot find out how to choose default Bible.

2)Clicking on Daily Bible reading plan jumps to a new layout rather than opening my Bible in my preferred layout to the correct readings.

3) Corresponding highlights from one translation to another is gone.

All three of these things are being addressed with the exception of maybe default Bible. For that, you can prioritize it in your library. https://wiki.logos.com/prioritizing

Can someone from Logos please confirm that these three items will be fixed in the next update 8.1?

Lynden Williams said:

Uninstall eight and down load seven. You may have to ask logos to block your account from receiving 8 until you are ready for it, otherwise it will simply update 

Has anyone confirmed that this approach would work for someone who wants to go back to 7 while the initial flaws in 8 are fixed?

Obvious issues I can think of are:

• Notes format has been updated
• Automatic updates probably needs to be turned off
• Other changes in the data that is synched

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David Taylor Jr said:

doc said:

I have to agree L8 home page is awful. Never liked the web app and now the desktop homepage looks awful too, it no longer looks like  professional bible study software package but instead one for children. Added to the fact it’s incompete and we are being told we have to wait for a future update before we can remove all the marketing fluff from it, it does not give a good first chance impression of the software.

Honestly, if that is what you are judging all of L8 on I think you have severely missed the point. It's going to be fixed. It isn't fixed today. No sense going on and on about it, just move on.

I think David wants this thread to stay on top, Logos7 is so good!

Actually, my question would be whether L8 is a forced install.  On L7, you can decline installation.  I'd buy the large package, as long as I could use L7 (I have my doubts about the timing of 8.1).

MJ. Smith said:

Simply set to open to a blank page or your most common layout and you'll bypass most everything people are complaining about.

I've never found the homepage that useful (except when it used to give a list of what was recently added or updated--seems like that feature disappeared), so yeah, just skip it and do some Bible study.

While it is possible to climb around the Home Page, (and yes, do it once an be done), it is a bit odd that a Home Page, that thing by title that has the idea (at least for me) as being a comfortable, useful and effective starting place.... is, as created one of the first things many users find objectionable. Maybe it has outlived its usefulness...or... maybe it's potential usefulness has been lost sight of.

Just thoughts...

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife) said:

Graham Owen said:

David Taylor Jr said:

John C Connell Jr. said:

Three negatives so far:

1) Home page is pretty bad. No way to clear out the junk and just peruse ONLY items that interest me. Cannot find out how to choose default Bible.

2)Clicking on Daily Bible reading plan jumps to a new layout rather than opening my Bible in my preferred layout to the correct readings.

3) Corresponding highlights from one translation to another is gone.

All three of these things are being addressed with the exception of maybe default Bible. For that, you can prioritize it in your library. https://wiki.logos.com/prioritizing

Can someone from Logos please confirm that these three items will be fixed in the next update 8.1?

1. "Customization of the Explore section is coming soon." https://community.logos.com/forums/p/173890/1003981.aspx#1003981 
2. This is being discussed internally; no plans have been announced yet.
3. Under "Upcoming Features" in the Notes FAQ; no release date announced.

Thanks Bradley

For item 2 here I'd love to know the rationale for the current behaviour because it really makes no sense to me.

MJ. Smith said:

Denise said:

Actually, my question would be whether L8 is a forced install.  On L7, you can decline installation.  I'd buy the large package, as long as I could use L7 (I have my doubts about the timing of 8.1).

Yes, you can decline installation but for once I think your doubts are entirely unfounded. You have no need of the home page. Simply set to open to a blank page or your most common layout and you'll bypass most everything people are complaining about.

Thanks, regarding decline.

From yesterday's reading, I'm not entirely sure I need L8. See what shows in 8.1.  L7 works great. 

Problem in all of Logos' rollouts ... don't know what is being lost. I heard 3 columns max, etc. 

It’s not the only aspect David, but it’s the first impression you get of the software and it is badly broken and makes the software look cheap. It should not of been released in this state. I’m glad your confident it will be fixed by 8.1.

The home page is supposed to be a show pony of Logos 8 and it looks like a malnourished underweight pony. It’s not your place to tell me I can not provide honest feedback on that.

David Taylor Jr said:

doc said:

I have to agree L8 home page is awful. Never liked the web app and now the desktop homepage looks awful too, it no longer looks like  professional bible study software package but instead one for children. Added to the fact it’s incompete and we are being told we have to wait for a future update before we can remove all the marketing fluff from it, it does not give a good first chance impression of the software.

Honestly, if that is what you are judging all of L8 on I think you have severely missed the point. It's going to be fixed. It isn't fixed today. No sense going on and on about it, just move on.

Problem is Sean I rely on home page to access multple reading plans and the ‘cards’ for my reading plans are broken. They take me to the wrong bible version. If I use the reading plan document it opens the correct version. So FL have bromen a workflow that was not broken.

Sean Boisen said:

Two constructive suggestions if you don't like the new homepage look:

• "Show Program Settings" in the command bar, then under General / At Startup Open to, you can select a specific layout, or your most recent one.
• MJ cleverly suggested here that you can fill up the dashboard section with cards that are important to you, which will push the Explore section down (if that's what you don't want to see).

I'll admit that i've bypassed the home page since Logos 4: it was too busy and not useful enough (don't tell my boss!). But i'm giving it another try: I find the redesign around task cards genuinely useful. But you don't have to look at them if you have a different opinion.

Knowing your issues the folks here are really helpful in guiding people with questions. Although people tend to not like change, take some time look at the Morris Proctor videos and give it a shot and learning how it works. FL is good on their 30 day returns, but this is a much nicer and smoother change than to Logos 4 and I was on the Beta team at that time. Wow that was a change...as is Logos 8, but feels much cleaner and robust. I will no doubt like it more as i spend time working in it. Only have had a couple of hours to work through it so far.

In some ways I'd like to go back to the old Volkswagen Bug. It worked.  I could work on it. Nostalgia hits hard. Remember vacuum assisted dynamic shift? How cool was that! But alas! 

Old things have passed away and new things really are better.  L8 is miles better even than the really great L7.  Give it a chance and you will find yourself caught in the thrill of  zooming around the corners in a sleek blue sports car, like never before. 

L8 isn't wine in an old skin (hope I don't lose any denominations here) but new wine in a new skin!  Don't backslide now!