Workflow: what use beyond the basics?

Mike, it should be written aide-memoire. Without the e at the end, the term refers to a literary category (a memoir).

As you become proficient with a process you can trim, edit the workflow

It would be nice if the workflows that come with L8 had an edit option so you could modify them and save-as your own custom workflow.

I understand what you are saying Mike but there is nothing to lead a user from relying on the workflow to stepping away from it and using the passage guide, word study guide. There is nothing that even tells them they can  find this information on their own using the guides. There is a missing link.

Hi Doc

I haven't had the time to look at all of the workflows as yet, but...

Nor me but...

I see the Workflow facility as an aide memoir to processes rather than a training aid in those processes.

As you become proficient with a process you can trim, edit the workflow of dispense with it altogether.

For processes that you only do infrequently an aide memoir can be very useful even when proficient with the software.

I can opine without ever seeing it!

FL'ers used that vocabulary for a long time ... I really wondered where it came from. My Dad was a preacher. He had a 'workflow' but his face would crinkle up and grimace at the word and the concept. Studying and preparing was his worship and his favorite time. There was no work, and no flow.

That said, when I read about it, I immediately thought of Cynthia and her enthusiasm. And MJ trying to lead Logos down the path of teaching, and integration.  So, my guesses might be right.

But can FL climb out of corporate group think, and into the Sanctuary?

I  am someone who believes that workflow is the very best addition to Logos

While from the standpoint of my own personal needs, I cannot see that I will have substantial use for workflows in the near future, I think it is a considerable step forward to help many people make the most of the tools and resources available in Logos and solidify their study skills and breadth. I hope that many users will find blessing there. 

The general idea of using workflows has more potency than the current applications may suggest. Many preachers and teachers could benefit from a better sermon preparation workflow leading to more solid study and preparation. Even scholars can benefit from codifying their skills and approaches into workflows that will help insure that they cover the bases and do not neglect significant steps in their analyses and productions.

I could see down the road helpful workflows produced to facilitate complex tasks such as textual criticism.  

Hi Cynthia, 

I love your passion for studying the Word and for teaching others how to do so also. 

And I totally get what you are saying and don’t disagree with you and am not against the workflows.  All I am saying is the workflows give no direction as to how they can take their study to the next level.

training work flows for educational purposes

but there is nothing in the workflow that takes the Beginner from using the workflow and graduates them to using the  Passage Guide on it's own without the need for a the workflow that I could see.

Hello Doc:

I  am someone who believes that workflow is the very best addition to Logos, and I fall under the category of an advanced beginner.  Here is how I envision this, but please understand that I'm only responding to your statement above regarding workflow, as I believe it has potential to be a tool that advanced users will likewise find invaluable (if not only from the perspective of saving time).

What the workflow templates do is guide the absolute beginner so they can immediately use the program and expose them to resources and tools they would not know about otherwise.  It eliminates the frustration of trying to figure out HOW to do something in the program and allows them to simply enjoy their time in the Word.  However, while using the workflow template, they are brought to other tools and resources simply by clicking around.  If or when they find themselves over their head, they can come back to workflow and move on.  However, by then they have already been exposed to new tools outside of the workflow panel, and for many it will whet their appetite to try out a new tool. 

I am not computer savvy at all, but when I was in the inductive Bible study workflow, I clicked around at bit and after a little while, decided that as an inductive Bible study teacher, I would like my own Inductive workflow to be set up differently.  Without even looking at a video or how to guide, I was immediately able to start building my own workflow, which will take a while but that's okay as I plan on sharing it with my class students because, for the very first time ever, I feel I can actually recommend Logos to them.

Now, as a student or user is in workflow and exposed to various resources and tool, they will undoubtedly notice various other tools and guides which they will certainly, at first, use in its boilerplate form but with the glaring "ADD" button there, will look to create their own.  However, I believe it all starts with workflow--something that allows the beginner to click around safely to become exposed to the program but come back to in order to learn more.

And the beauty of workflow is that it CAN become so much more.  I see so much potential for it, and I'm not even computer savvy.

I hope that helps you see it a little bit through the eyes of someone who practically thew in the towel on the program and now sees it as something even MORE powerful for the seasoned user and something that will teach and excite the brand new beginner.

but most are not ready for prime time until the editor is beefed up a bit in what it can access.

I am not sure what you mean here.  Would you mind expanding this a little?  Thank you.

MJ I know at times it might not seem like it because we do sometimes have very different views on some things but I do respect your experience and commitment to teaching and equipping others. And FWIW I think more often than not FL should take on board and action your feedback more than they do. Thanks for fuether explaining your thoughts.

You might be thinking about this differently to what I am MJ

Most of my thinking is biased by (a) 50 years in a university parish (b) an advanced degree in religious studies (c) an assumption that what Logos provides for Evangelicals will be of little use to myself as a Catholic. In testing, I've already made more workflows than Logos ... but most are not ready for prime time until the editor is beefed up a bit in what it can access.