Logos needs to take advantage of the new iPad Pro
The Latest iPad Pro has enough horsepower to do the things logos does on the desktop. There is enough enough storage to download all my files. Currently the iPad app is nothing more than a large iPhone app. Logos needs to do more. If I can get the full layout experience of logos on my iPad, I would not need my lap when I travel.
So this is my wishlist for the iPad Pro
1. all my book files on my iPad (like my iMac )
2. fully indexed (like my iMac )
3. all the layouts I have on my iMac
Apple is making the hardware to support this
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Apple Pencil support for marking up my texts.
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I totally agree with both of the above posts. The new iPad Pros have more power than most PCs and Macs, and now havbe more than enough storage. I have a 12.9" with 256 gigs of RAM on order and Logos is the only program i use which i still need my iMac to take full advantage of. The new iPads can fully support everything than the desktop can do, after all, they will be running a desktop equivalent version of full Photoshop in just a few months. Also, support for annotating and highlighting and note taking with the apple pensil should be doable,
Please? Pretty please?
John
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Agreed. It benchmarks better than the base MacBook Pro, their professional laptop. There is a nice keyboard sold by Apple and several nice third party ones. The pencil as noted is a nice feature. There are two virtually bezel-less versions at 11" and 12.9", plenty big enough for many people. It easily handles 4K video, so Logos videos won't be an issue. It can be maxed out at 1 TB of storage (albeit for some coin 😉). So it is more than capable of handling Logos/Verbum now, I assume the issue with FL will be how many more people buy because this new iPad version exists; IMHO it could be a lot of work to port it to iOS since the Mac version really runs on top of an emulator, so there would be layers galore if one tried to just move existing code to the iPad. We can hope though...
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I have a Macbook Pro 2015 and I would say that the chances are it will be the last laptop I’ll buy - desktops have already been unimaginable for a while for me and that’s certainly not atypical among my friends. I own my laptop exclusively for Logos.
The confusion I have is that my library is huge - leaving the app open on iOS long enough for it to download my entire library (presumably the screen would need to stay on for the download to happen? I don’t know what restrictions exist on background downloads) and that immediately could be quite confusing for some people - I assume that this is the main reason that the online models are moving ahead so much faster, along with memory concerns that are only now becoming less of a live issue - my iPhone has the same storage capacity as my mac now.
The hardware power-side is clearly important if you clump all versions of the mobile app together, but that’s what we’re hoping to move away from now.
But if the library download thing is as big an issue as I think it might be and internet connectivity is becoming increasingly ubiquitous, I’d say it’s a really hard sell to decide if a full offline experience is worth developing, no matter how much I want it. It’s really interesting to think through all the gains/losses etc. I don’t really have any answers, but I’m gearing my hopes to more incremental changes. It’s not like photoshop where it’s all downloaded in one go and ready to go immediately. But we can hope!
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This is one of those areas where it’s really interesting to contrast with Logos’ nearest competitor.
They went for a bottom-up approach from the start (very little in the way of features but solid offline experience for what it can do), where Logos seems to have gone from the top down (every feature/resource possible right from the start, with heavy online dependencies).
They’re very different design philosophies and reflected in their desktop apps too. Wondering who can reach the middle-ground (relatively full-featured but consistently usable in any environment) is something I think about a lot. We’ve only just got quick offline lookups, but the kind of in-depth stuff we can do when online is greatly superior - that kind of thing applies in a ton of different areas.
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Apple is making the hardware to support this
Very few companies are able to bring full desktop experience to the iPad. Apple (worth $1,000 billion) have done with with Pages, etc. Microsoft (worth $815 billion) have got somewhere close with Office, though it's still short of the desktop experience. Adobe (worth $120 billion) will release Photoshop in 2019. But almost no-one else has managed it.
All that is to say, "Don't hold your breath".
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So, if Apple has all the money, why don't they make a MAC OS for the iPad Pro instead of waiting for companies like Adobe to come forward like they are doing with full-version IOS Photoshop?
Because they rely on hardware sales...they don't sell MAC OS like Microsoft sells copies of Windows for revenue..and their Macbook sales could tank.
It is Apple that chokes the iPad Pro...and we sheeple buy the Ferrari that never leaves the local town with the 25mph speed limit , because its cool to have...not because we are artists, photographers, or music makers/producers.
That all said---yes--- full Logos on the iPad would be that mountain that I would love for Faithlife to move...a blessing to my daily use beyond measure.
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But if the library download thing is as big an issue as I think it might be and internet connectivity is becoming increasingly ubiquitous, I’d say it’s a really hard sell to decide if a full offline experience is worth developing, no matter how much I want it.
I think we easily forget that for a lot of the world internet is not ubiquitous and high-speed internet certainly is not. I don't think Logos needs to move all desktop functionality to iOS to have a successful iOS app. In fact, I wouldn't want them to it would be a cluttered app. However, I think the app should be highly capable both on iOS and offline. That's not too much to ask with the processing power and ability of a recent model iPad Pro.
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Agreed. My iPad Pro has nearly replaced my macbook pro. I would not be suprised if Apple does away with laptops all together. I think this is where the industry leaders are heading A.K.A. Microsoft surface book and google's new (not so great) pixel tablet.
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Right now I get two windows I cannot even choose if the windows are side by side or top and bottom. The display has not improved since the first iteration. Let’s start with three or four lanes and see how that crashes everything.
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I think this is where the industry leaders are heading A.K.A. Microsoft surface book and google's new (not so great) pixel tablet.
Apple is the industry leader for tablets...
I would not be suprised if Apple does away with laptops all together.
Then you don't follow Apple. They have consistently said this will not be the case... they don't even plan to merge iOS and macOS.
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Then you don't follow Apple. They have consistently said this will not be the case... they don't even plan to merge iOS and macOS.
Absolutely.
Nor do they plan to help desktop developers make an easier transition to iOS (which doesn't help Faithlife, of course). What they are working on is making mobile apps easier to transition to the desktop. That's also what Android is doing. Microsoft has already done this years ago, but because no-one actually owned Windows phones, it was largely irrelevant.
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A full transition from the windows/mac version to the web version app.logos.com would also solve the problem for the ipad and any other tablet.
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A full transition from the windows/mac version to the web version app.logos.com would also solve the problem for the ipad and any other tablet.
Hope that never happens... my internet is not stable enough to desire that the moment internet is required to do basic things in Logos is the day I leave it. The Web app is a fine thing but the point of this post seems mostly to indicate a desire to have a more autonomous iPad experience with all downloadable resources installed on the iPAD. I know this is not a likely thing to happen... I do feel that greater functionality with the downloaded books on the device is a reasonable request and in some small respects FL has moved to do this a bit. Although currently the iOS apps for me are virtually completely unusable. cashing every few minutes. So my dreams of what I want are tempered now by dreams of the apps being stable once again.
-dan
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Affinity has done an incredible job with porting both Affinity Photo & Designer to iPad, and they are a much smaller company. So, it can be done [:D] and other smaller companies have done some pretty powerful things as well. A lot really depends on the vision of the company & if they see iPad & iOS as something that can be just as powerful as a Mac/PC
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Affinity has done an incredible job with porting both Affinity Photo & Designer to iPad, and they are a much smaller company.
That's true. It's equally true that was a brand new product when it was recently launched, designed without any backwards compatibility concerns, straight for desktop and iOS, and without ANY phone compatibility. That's quite a different proposition to a nine-year old (counting just from from L4) desktop application being ported. It's also the case that there are significant advantages to tablet over laptop for powerful graphics software, which isn't necessarily the case for powerful Bible software. (By which I mean it's obvious why I might want to do graphics with a pen and no keyboard. It's less obvious why I might want to do detailed Bible study with a pen and no keyboard.)
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Believe me my brother, i live in the third world and my internet is far worse than yours so i would never suggest something that could ultimately drive me crazy. The technology behind those new web apps work caching information the same way netflix does with buffer so we don't need hundreds of gigabytes of space and also we don't need google fiber internet. So it would be the best of the worlds bringing the full experience to anyone, in any device, helping people who want to dig into the scriptures but don't have enough money to buy high end apple devices. It would also reduce development costs since the whole team could focus into a single multi-platform interface.
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Sounds good to me. My house has no cell service and only available internet is satellite based so weather here or on the east coast can knock out my net. I have no issues with the concept of using something different as long as it works fine.
-dan
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1. all my book files on my iPad (like my iMac )
While there's a tiny number of books that the publisher might not let users read/use on their mobile devices, at least that used to be the case, you can download ALL the books in your library available to the iPad by opening the library page. Then pull down so that the Download All link appears above the right hand side of the topmost book.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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1. all my book files on my iPad (like my iMac )
While there's a tiny number of books that the publisher might not let users read/use on their mobile devices, at least that used to be the case, you can download ALL the books in your library available to the iPad by opening the library page. Then pull down so that the Download All link appears above the right hand side of the topmost book.
Yes, but you should not do so.
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That misses the entire point of my post. I don’t want all my books on my mobile device unless I have the abil to have way more than 2 stinking windows and no tabs
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That misses the entire point of my post. I don’t want all my books on my mobile device unless I have the abil to have way more than 2 stinking windows and no tabs
Yes, it does miss your entire point.
That said, the Logos iOS app right now is not (and perhaps never will be) what Logos is on the desktop.
Part of this can be laid at Apple's feet for their marketing blitz on how the new iPads are more powerful than "computers." I find it ironic that they can say that when they could add mouse support, for example, that would make the iPad in some areas as powerful as a computer. But they choose not to do that. If they did, I might not go looking to other devices for functionality that iPads don't have.
But it works the other way, too. My Surface Go is a great tool because it runs the full desktop Logos app. I have my entire library on my SSD. I have the full functionality of Logos 8. I get access to my PBBs. I can open multiple windows, but the funny thing is that on a 10-inch device I can't read the text in those windows because the screen is too small. I also get lower performance of the CPU on the Go than my desktop computer and the limitations (yes, the limitations) of Windows on a tablet device. Every device has tradeoffs; there isn't one device that does it all.
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logos can start by giving 4 panes. I used to have a palm device and I would run olive tree on it. Olive tree have me 2 panes and no Bible software has advanced beyond that, in all these years. That is my major complaint with everyone. Olive tree, Accordance and Logos are all stuck and these is no reason that we can’t have a little itty bitty bit more
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Laridian (PocketBible) allows up to 5, with a switch to choose tabbed 5 (max) or all at same time, as below. Their library is more targeted and the interface not so cutesy. Their desktop is similarly paned.
Their previous version had tabbed, multiple-pane, and then multiple per pane (gesture to switch). That was so perfect. I think the gentleman was trying to simplify to the current. I was sadly non-plus'd.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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It is sad that they chose to go with the subscription model. I just want to buy books and be done with it. I see no reason that a book reader should have a subscription
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It is sad that they chose to go with the subscription model. I just want to buy books and be done with it. I see no reason that a book reader should have a subscription
Jeff Bezos is making tons of money out of Kindle Unlimited so It is a successful business model and i think that's why they are doing that.
https://ebookfriendly.com/kindle-unlimited-ebook-subscription/
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