Font change

Thanks for your feedback. We are discussing adding custom fonts. 

Fantastic update.  Layouts are awesome.

But I too would say I don't prefer the new font. A san-serif option in the mobile app would be wonderful. 

I also prefer the previous font. 

I also would like an option for a sans serif font. Thanks.

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I really strongly prefer the old font. This one lacks the elegance of the previous one.

I'd love custom fonts - but I do like the new font (though it appears I'm the odd man out).

I also like the previous font. The new one looks like the old days when I used to load up a plain text book into an mp3 reader. Personally, I don't care much about having multiple fonts to choose from, I just want the old one back. What's that saying... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

As with most of the posts here I do not like the new font. It is much harder on my eyes, less inviting to read as it looks just like a jumble of text. I've tried maximising the line spacing to try to make it easier on my eyes but found no difference in the spacing. Please, please, please bring back the old font. 

I would just like to add that I'm a senior citizen, my eyes are not what they once were and I have "floaters" in both eyes (vitreous detachment). The effect of the floaters is that it is like looking through glasses with permanent but moving smudges on both lenses. It's an annoying condition that makes reading less comfortable than previously. The new font appears more dense and increases eye strain for me especially as I can't remedy the denseness with line spacing as there is no appreciable difference when I maximise the line spacing. So please return to the old font or provide a choice where the text is less dense. Many of us older "eyes" would appreciate it.

Other than the font I do greatly appreciate the developments. Thanks. 

I agree with the rest, please give us back the original font. I have a great Samsung phone but this current font you chose is not good. I don't really care about custom fonts. If you want to add them great, but first make it a priority to return our previous font to us. Thank You.

On my tablet the letters that seem to be affected the most are v, y, w, z, d.  They are shorter and don't line up with the other letters.  Also some letters like a, t and r look odd (not wide enough or shorter). This didn't happen with the old font. I took a screenshot to illustrate the problem.

This is with the default font size.  

I'm in my 20s with no vision issues, and even I find the new font hard on my eyes, especially in low-light mode.

YouVersion on Android uses a select few Google web fonts as options for reading. That model seems to work fine, even though it could result in additional licensing fees to embed the fonts in the Logos app. But long-term, I think having at least one sans serif, one serif, and one slab-serif font option would be the bare minimum to cater to a wide audience of readers. An easy pick for the Android app is Roboto and Roboto Slab, since Roboto comes pre-installed in a slew of Android devices. There may be better Google web fonts optimized for body text, but those two come to mind first.

I use a Galaxy S8, Galaxy Tab 4, Kindle Fire 10, and iPad Air to access Logos Mobile.

I also don’t like the new font at all. I’m surprised that FL would do this without letting us choose the font. To single handedly change something critical without asking for user input is what Apple does with ports for example... I hope for a reversion or a font picker setting.

When we refresh our user interface, we change our default resource font. It adds to the sense of newness. Sirba GRK is now the default resource font for Logos 8 on Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and the web. We're not going to roll back to Skolar, but we're looking into adding an option for users to chose from a selection of fonts. Skolar would most likely still be on that list.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience to those of you who really liked Skolar. That's for your patience as we look into options to give you better control over your resource font.

Phil I have to call you on this one. I have used computer going back to the 11th grade when I had the privilege to work on a portable beast that weighed a ton (joking, perhaps only a half ton). It had an oscilloscope size black & green screen with twin 5 1/4 floppy drives (no hard drive). So I do know a few things about computers (I am also a former systems admin). When you roll-out a product, & I have done many roll-outs, you test it ahead with your consumer. To make a statement that you want a sense of newness is blown away by the fact that this new font is a bust! Own up to the problem, seek God for the solution & get it fixed. Philippians 4:19

When we refresh our user interface, we change our default resource font. It adds to the sense of newness.

Why? Were there a lot of complaints being given regarding Skolar? Changing a long used font just to "add to the sense of newness" is not a good reason. 

but we're looking into adding an option for users to chose from a selection of fonts.

Can you give us a timeline?

That's for your patience as we look into options to give you better control over your resource font.

I love Logos, but this new font is killing me. I spend a lot of time reading on my mobile as I am a seminary student at the same time as being a Bible teacher. I need to maximize my time, and that often comes through using the mobile app to read the curriculum I am assigned in my classes. I spend extra just to buy it on logos so that I can have the added functionality that logos provides. But what good is all that functionality if the app makes it painful to read? This weekend I will be traveling 5 hours one way by bus (which is a bumpy ride here in the Philippines); reading was difficult before on the bus, but now I fear it will be impossible for me to read with this new font.

If this font is not changed fast I fear you will lose a lot of customers who can easily buy the same books for less money on Kindle. I will be buying my future books there if this is not changed quickly. Like I said, I love logos... but at the end of the day Logos is a business, and this is a terrible move. 

That's for your patience as we look into options to give you better control over your resource font.

Thanks.

I agree with the other comments, the new font is not nearly as readable as the old font.  I have maximized the line-spacing, and it is still much harder to read.  Please do something with this as soon as you can, my iPad IS my Bible in the pulpit.  Thank you!

I came to the Forums to see if others were feeling the same way about the font. I am very happy for the overall improvement of the app including the Notes feature. But the font is really bad and discourages from reading. Typography is an essential for me when it comes to reading. Please give us the option to restore the previous font as soon as possible. Thanks again for the all the hard work :-)

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The font doesn't display well at reading size on mobile.

Some letters look too dark compared to the rest, e.g. G, o, W. This gives an uneven feel and interrupts smooth reading.

Both the tracking and leading (even at max) are too tight, resulting in a cramped feel. More attention is spent on deciphering the text and less is left for understanding the content.

8.0.1 beta Android

Logos on Desktop is awesome. The mob refresh was a step in the right direction but it‘s still behind other mobile Bible studying apps, not in power but in ease of use. The font issue is frustrating for these reasons.

-This is a premium product with premium pricing.

-The competitors have the feature.

-It’s a readability issue. Some find it hard to read or they feel it causes eye strain.

I once saw a comment that there are licensing costs with fonts. And it’s also possible that not enough people are asking for it. We can’t all have the features we want. But because it’s an issue directly related to reading, it seems that should increase its priority over a typical feature request. Especially since many rely on Logos for studying in school. 

If Logos can’t accommodate several fonts, at least habe the default be sans serif. That’s a more common, modern style and there is the perception or reality that it’s easier on the eyes.

I apprecitate the prodcut, the work that goes in it, and the welcoming of feedback. I don’t want to only say negative tthing but as someone who pays for resources I wanted to give my thoughts.  

We can’t all have the features we want.

Trrue, but we had what we wanted: a font that was easy on the eyes.

I switched back to the old version of the app until (hopefully) Logos comes up with a solution. I think the problem occurs on devices with lower screen resolutions.

Yes, please, please give a font option. I would love to have an option to simply use Apple's default font on iOS. It would be awesome if the program interface would use Apple's default font. It would fit in better and be less jarring. 

The 'new font' is very hard to read. This is extremely disappointing! Just go back to previous. Please! 

Oh please do it, Do It, DO IT!!!

Love y'all, the font is nasty awful.

Obviously if people are having difficulty reading it then something needs to be done, but I'm really quite fond of it.

I'll cope if they swap it out, and if they add the ability to choose our own fonts then I guess everyone would be happy, but I'm just saying... it wouldn't have occurred to me that there was a problem if I hadn't seen this thread.

it wouldn't have occurred to me that there was a problem if I hadn't seen this thread.

I don't think there is a problem on higher end screens/devices. I own two Samsung tablets.  One of them is a higher end device the other is a much cheaper device with lowers specs.  On the fancy tablet I agree with you that the font looks great.  Unfortunately the tablet is too big for day to day reading.  On the cheap one on the other hand, the reading experience using the new font is really bad compared to the old font.  I think there are quite a few users who don't have a higher end device and those users may find the new font troublesome. 

The one glaring head-scratcher since the mobile app rollout years ago is the inability to choose fonts. Not a fan of the new font either, btw. After solving the crash issues with iPhone X, please give users that option. (With all the new features/capabilities, is that too big an ask?) Better still, please include font selection with crash fix! Thanks for all you guys do!

it wouldn't have occurred to me that there was a problem if I hadn't seen this thread.

I don't think there is a problem on higher end screens/devices. I own two Samsung tablets.  One of them is a higher end device the other is a much cheaper device with lowers specs.  On the fancy tablet I agree with you that the font looks great.  Unfortunately the tablet is too big for day to day reading.  On the cheap one on the other hand, the reading experience using the new font is really bad compared to the old font.  I think there are quite a few users who don't have a higher end device and those users may find the new font troublesome. 

I can see the font fine on 2018 ipad, XS Max. Simply don’t prefer this new font for readability.  Neubible app is a winner for a great reading experience and selectable font. It is a real head scratcher that such a powerful mobile app like Logos doesn’t incorporate this. 

My biggest font-y request would be the option to set different languages at different sizes. I like to read English texts with the smallest font setting, but I find that a bit of a strain when reading Greek/Hebrew. I’d love to be able to set those as larger by a notch or two. As it stands, I change the font size globally back and forth a bit. It’s not the biggest deal, but it would be nice to have.

we're looking into adding an option for users to chose from a selection of fonts. Skolar would most likely still be on that list.

Thank you for the response! [Y] The new Android 8 app is really cool, but...

... I hope the implementation of this feature won't last too long....... The choice should be screen-resolution-independent. So, Skolar would be fine.

I recently bought a new smartphone (Xperia XZ1 Compact, Android 8, and Sony preparing update to Android 9). It's really like it and didn't regret my choice. It's a very fast and comfortable high-end device, except the screen-resolution. But on a 4.6" screen... (?) 

Skolar would be fine

Even Skolar has some minor issues on devices with lower resolution, but they are not bothersome enough to impede reading.  The new font unfortunately makes reading strenuous.  For an app that is designed to be a reading app this is unacceptable.  Logos can and should do better.

Using the beta app for Android (8.0.8), the line spacing is uneven, thrown off by what I guess is handling of verse numbers. Do those on the regular app or other versions face this issue?

My screen resolution is high (over 400 ppi) - the font issues are not due to a poor display. Text is sharp, but does not look good or read well.

Using the beta app for Android (8.0.8), the line spacing is uneven, thrown off by what I guess is handling of verse numbers. Do those on the regular app or other versions face this issue?

This is a post and question for the beta forum, but to answer your question: This has been an ongoing issue at times on iOS. I have not kept up with the status of the issue. 

I also like the previous font, much more readable.

JT, do you mean the forum "Logos Mobile App Beta (Old)"? To me the term "old" means the forum is no longer active. Or is there another forum?

Or is there another forum?

I am not actively beta testing, so I may not be able to help here. It <may> be that they have moved beta discussions solely to Faithlife.com. If so, that is sad. However, when beta testing you should post where they have requested you to do so. Otherwise the "right" people won't see your post and be able to help solve the issue moving forward. 

I went back to FL's e-mail to check. Well, I began by using the in-app link to 'report a problem'; that generated an e-mail to FL, which I sent. Customer service replied that they do not support the beta, and so I should post in this forum (.../150.aspx). Anyway, they have also sent me a second e-mail which states their team 'is currently aware of these issues' - so perhaps it's queued for action. I can only hope so; L8 mobile has been a disappointment so far. It's good that there is an active user base, though.

Here's a screenshot of the mobile app running in Android on my Pixelbook.

I'm in favor of allowing us to choose our font, but I may be in the minority in saying that I find this font to be readable on my device. Perhaps condensed a little too much, but I am not seeing the other anomalies others are reporting.

I would just like to add that I'm a senior citizen, my eyes are not what they once were and I have "floaters" in both eyes (vitreous detachment).

I have floaters, too. I just saw one go past! One thing you might try is to use low light mode in the mobile app and install a dark mode on your computer. I find that when I use dark mode I don't see the floaters as much. YMMV.

Thanks, Bill. It does look better on your app/device combination. Only the first line of Phil 4 has a different line spacing because of the chapter number.