Tagging and Rating
I've completed some initial tagging of resources together with rating them. I decided:-
1 = decidedly useless (I'd hide it in v3)
2 = maybe useful
3 = useful (possibly Prioritise)
4 = use and Prioritise
5 = use and Prioritise #1
The tagging was to ease the selection of lexicons and bible/topical dictionaries in query-based Collections, by separating them from existing type: categories like commentary and dictionary. A few anomalies arose with existing meta data which i've captured in the table below:-
| Resource | Current Metadata | Proposed Metadata |
| KJV study bible | type:Bible Notes | type: bible commentary |
| Macarthur study bible | type:Bible Notes | type: bible commentary |
| New Manners and customs of the Bible | type: bible commentary | type:Monograph |
| Tanakh, the holy Scriptures | lang:English;Hebrew | lang:English |
| Life of christ: A study guide to the gospel | type: bible commentary | type:Monograph |
| Word Pictures in the NT | type: bible commentary | type:Monograph |
| Word Studies in the NT | type: bible commentary | type:Monograph |
| BHS morphologically Tagged Edition | lang:English;Hebrew | lang:Hebrew |
| Septuaginta morphologically Tagged Edition | lang:English;Greek | lang:Greek |
Dave
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Windows 11 & Android 13
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Tagging and rating need some improvements:
- if my (query based) list of resources covers multiple pages it
always returns to the first page after completing a change. Further, it
may do this without giving me the chance to complete both tasks, or it jumps after tagging and I find that another resource has been rated! - make it easy to select multiple resources without accidentally opening them.
Dave
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Tagging definitely needs improvement. I expect to be able to change the tags on a book in the My Library Pane. I'd like to be able to double click on that fied and add tags there and then. Currently, this action opens the resource - definitely not what I intend.
Side note: the resource information panel needs a close button. I have forgotten a few times that I need to re-hit the information button.
When I add a tag to a filtered list, a strange message appears. There is no indexing occurring on my machine:
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Damian McGrath said:
When I add a tag to a filtered list, a strange message appears. There is no indexing occurring on my machine:
It is indexing your tags and ratings so you can search for them.
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Thanks Phil.
Could I suggest a change to the message to clarify this. "Tags and Ratings are currently being indexed" or somesuch.
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Good suggestion. I'll pass it along.
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Dave Hooton said:
Tagging and rating need some improvements:
- if my (query based) list of resources covers multiple pages it
always returns to the first page after completing a change. Further, it
may do this without giving me the chance to complete both tasks, or it jumps after tagging and I find that another resource has been rated! - make it easy to select multiple resources without accidentally opening them.
Yes, I agree.
I would suggest another improvement. Often it happened to me I wanted to tag and/or rate the book after I opened it and looked at it. I had to realize I am not able to do it. I had to go back to the Library to do it. I think it would add a lot of flexibility to allow those two changes anywhere, not only in the Library.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
I would suggest another improvement. Often it happened to me I wanted to tag and/or rate the book after I opened it and looked at it. I had to realize I am not able to do it. I had top go back to the Library to do it. I think it would add a lot of flexibility to allow those to changes anywhere, not only in the Library.
Great idea. It would be good to have this in the information pane of the individual resources. That way, while reading the chapters of an edited book I could tag it appropriately.
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Damian McGrath said:
Great idea. It would be good to have this in the information pane of the individual resources. That way, while reading the chapters of an edited book I could tag it appropriately.
Exactly. And rating also. If giving the book 5 stars after seeing the cover, you might need to be able to adjust it to 1 star after reading some chapters of the book... [:)]
Bohuslav
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Dave Hooton said:
if my (query based) list of resources covers multiple pages it
always returns to the first page after completing a change.Similarly, sort by type in the library and L4 groups by type (very nice)... open a section (e.g. monograph)
In the search box type in an author and the monograph section collapses! You have to click again to open it before seeing the resources for that author. Why?
Change a rating or tag for one or more resources for that author, and the data changes but the 'Monograph' selection collapses again.
An additional feature request would be multiple levels of sorting. For example, I like the option to see all the bibles exclusively (sort by type), but would then like to sort them by language or tag or rating (not filter because I still want them all to be visible, sometimes it is about what you filter does not catch). I would suggest a context menu to allow additional sorting that is active in the grey bar:
2017 15" MBP, iPad Pro
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Yes, Great suggestion.
Bohuslav
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Dave Hooton said:
A few anomalies arose with existing meta data which i've captured in the table below:-
Resource Current Metadata Proposed Metadata KJV study bible type:Bible Notes type: bible commentary On this one we have to disagree Dave... to me these are not commentaries they are bible notes more correctly bible study notes....first part of the problem with these has been solved with the new metadata...its confusing to class them as commentaries.....next part would be to have them appear in their own section on passage guide.... I haven't explored the custom guide yet to see if this is possible...
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MartinFolley said:Dave Hooton said:if my (query based) list of resources covers multiple pages it always returns to the first page after completing a change.
Similarly, sort by type in the library and L4 groups by type (very nice)... open a section (e.g. monograph)
In the search box type in an author and the monograph section collapses! You have to click again to open it before seeing the resources for that author. Why?
Change a rating or tag for one or more resources for that author, and the data changes but the 'Monograph' selection collapses again.
An additional feature request would be multiple levels of sorting. For example, I like the option to see all the bibles exclusively (sort by type), but would then like to sort them by language or tag or rating (not filter because I still want them all to be visible, sometimes it is about what you filter does not catch). I would suggest a context menu to allow additional sorting that is active in the grey bar:
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AndrewMckenzie said:
On this one we have to disagree Dave... to me these are not commentaries they are bible notes more correctly bible study notes....first part of the problem with these has been solved with the new metadata...its confusing to class them as commentaries.
Here's all my Bible Notes:
KJV Study Bible --> navigate by bible data type, more than notes!
MacArthur Study Bible --> navigate by bible data type, more than notes!
The So That's Why! Bible --> navigate via TOC!
Lexham Syntactic GNT: Expansions and Annotations --> navigate by bible data type, but it is a word study! Other "Syntactic" titles seem to be classified correctly as either Bible, Dictionary or Clause Visualization.
The Study Bibles above have a similar approach and they navigate/keylink via bible data type. All other Study Bibles (Believer's SB, Nelson SB: NKJV, Reformation SB, Spirit Filled Life SB, Woman's SB, Word in Life SB) are Bible Commentary, so I don't see why the KJV and MacArthur should be precluded from being classed as commentaries. If you take a more exclusive view of commentaries then I would be quite happy for Logos to classify all "Study Bibles" as Bible Notes, but the other two Notes titles listed above will have to be re-classified.
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:AndrewMckenzie said:
On this one we have to disagree Dave... to me these are not commentaries they are bible notes more correctly bible study notes....first part of the problem with these has been solved with the new metadata...its confusing to class them as commentaries.
Here's all my Bible Notes:
KJV Study Bible --> navigate by bible data type, more than notes!
MacArthur Study Bible --> navigate by bible data type, more than notes!
The So That's Why! Bible --> navigate via TOC!
Lexham Syntactic GNT: Expansions and Annotations --> navigate by bible data type, but it is a word study! Other "Syntactic" titles seem to be classified correctly as either Bible, Dictionary or Clause Visualization.
The Study Bibles above have a similar approach and they navigate/keylink via bible data type. All other Study Bibles (Believer's SB, Nelson SB: NKJV, Reformation SB, Spirit Filled Life SB, Woman's SB, Word in Life SB) are Bible Commentary, so I don't see why the KJV and MacArthur should be precluded from being classed as commentaries. If you take a more exclusive view of commentaries then I would be quite happy for Logos to classify all "Study Bibles" as Bible Notes, but the other two Notes titles listed above will have to be re-classified.
We are both right on this issue because its a question of personal style..I believe bible study notes should be navigateable by bible datatype but that they don't quite make in their in earning the rank of commentary. I am willing tohave them as type bible commentary and make the distinciton I like using tagging if I can acheive the separation on a custom passge guide having two differenent collections based tag show up in their own sections.... even though I really don't belive they are commentaries.
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AndrewMckenzie said:
Thanks Andrew but I was very unclearly talking about the resource information panel in the Library.
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Damian McGrath said:AndrewMckenzie said:
Thanks Andrew but I was very unclearly talking about the resource information panel in the Library.
More a case of I haddn't found the one you were actually refering to and so I was got it wrong. I can see what you mean now I actually look at Library Panel.
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AndrewMckenzie said:Damian McGrath said:AndrewMckenzie said:Damian McGrath said:
Side note: the resource information panel needs a close button. I have forgotten a few times that I need to re-hit the information button.
Its there
Thanks Andrew but I was very unclearly talking about the resource information panel in the Library.
More a case of I haddn't found the one you were actually refering to and so I was got it wrong. I can see what you mean now I actually look at Library Panel
Andrew you did note that I said I was unclearly talking about the Library - I should ahve added a smile or something. The problem is that I didn't communicate which resource information panel to which I was referring.
Now, where's that sticky with the annotated images naming each aspect of the program so that we can clearly communicate where we have problems.
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Damian McGrath said:AndrewMckenzie said:Damian McGrath said:AndrewMckenzie said:Damian McGrath said:
Side note: the resource information panel needs a close button. I have forgotten a few times that I need to re-hit the information button.
Its there
Thanks Andrew but I was very unclearly talking about the resource information panel in the Library.
More a case of I haddn't found the one you were actually refering to and so I was got it wrong. I can see what you mean now I actually look at Library Panel
Andrew you did note that I said I was unclearly talking about the Library - I should ahve added a smile or something. The problem is that I didn't communicate which resource information panel to which I was referring.
Now, where's that sticky with the annotated images naming each aspect of the program so that we can clearly communicate where we have problems.
I did get that .... I think... onto next issue.
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AndrewMckenzie said:
We are both right on this issue because its a question of personal style..I believe bible study notes should be navigateable by bible datatype but that they don't quite make in their in earning the rank of commentary. I am willing tohave them as type bible commentary and make the distinciton I like using tagging if I can acheive the separation on a custom passge guide having two differenent collections based tag show up in their own sections.... even though I really don't belive they are commentaries.
Ok I have tagged and tried custom passage guide. It appears to only allow addition of one collection so my approach is not going to work unless they change that and secondly the collection you add at this point does not get searched. see http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1100/10194.aspx#10194
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Why wouldn't you keep Word Pictures as a Bible Commentary?
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Jacob Hantla said:
Why wouldn't you keep Word Pictures as a Bible Commentary?
Both Word Pictures in the NT and Word Studies in the NT are studies at the word level with some comment. Lexham Syntactic GNT: Expansions and Annotations is a pure word study, but classed as Bible Notes. All resources navigate via the bible data type but that doesn't necessarily make them a Commentary!
OTOH the KJV Study Bible and MacArthur Study Bible, classed as Bible Notes, have much comment and I do regard them as commentaries. I put them in a Commentaries collection in v3 so that they will be used by Passage Guide.
Dave
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AndrewMckenzie said:
On this one we have to disagree Dave... to me these are not commentaries they are bible notes more correctly bible study notes....first part of the problem with these has been solved with the new metadata...its confusing to class them as commentaries.....next part would be to have them appear in their own section on passage guide.... I haven't explored the custom guide yet to see if this is possible...
Yes, I must agree on that with Andrew. It would be good to find if that move is not actually what we already asked for in the Newsgroups some time ago. It looks this way to me. It separates the Bible Study Notes from Commentaries and still giving them their own separate category. I don't know enough about the new PG to say if it is really so. It looks that only Unger's Bible Handbook and KJV Study Bible has that type description. Other study Bibles have Bible Commentary description, but in Subject they have Bible--Handbook description and a strange number 220.61, whatever that means.
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Other study Bibles have Bible Commentary description, but in Subject they have Bible--Handbook description and a strange number 220.61, whatever that means.
Actually I just found that the easy way how to create the Collection of Study Bibles is to use "subject:Bible--Handbooks"
Bohuslav
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Bohuslav Wojnar said:
Actually I just found that the easy way how to create the Collection of Study Bibles is to use "subject:Bible--Handbooks"
It all depends on the books you want ....
Dave
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Dave Hooton said:Jacob Hantla said:
Why wouldn't you keep Word Pictures as a Bible Commentary?
Both Word Pictures in the NT and Word Studies in the NT are studies at the word level with some comment. Lexham Syntactic GNT: Expansions and Annotations is a pure word study, but classed as Bible Notes. All resources navigate via the bible data type but that doesn't necessarily make them a Commentary!
And this is where I would want to separate out Word Pictures type resources into there own category on passage guide. Commentaries themselves I would like to be able to break down into technical, devotional, etc also but the custom passage guide does not seem to support this level of separation at the moment.
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Dave Hooton said:
Tagging and rating need some improvements:
- if my (query based) list of resources covers multiple pages it
always returns to the first page after completing a change. Further, it
may do this without giving me the chance to complete both tasks, or it jumps after tagging and I find that another resource has been rated! - make it easy to select multiple resources without accidentally opening them.
This hasn't improved in Beta 5.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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