History of the antichrist

Can someone suggest a thorough resource on the history of the antichrist? 

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    Good luck on that. I've always wanted a good history on apocalyptic; most want to argue a view. Antichrist ditto.

    Mike's entry sounds offensive but appears to summarize the bulk of it: protestants needed a boogyman. And indeed, that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

    No offence meant. Not too sure how others will reply ;) 

    Just looking for a book on how ppl want to see the boogyman behind world events. He's there, no he's over there. Gorbychov, Obama, Hitler, musselini, yada yada yada.

    Now of course a book on how ppl view the "end" throughout history is what I would like, but I'm in conversation with a younger sib that is a "world events looker." Jack Hibb is his go to guy. Never heard of him until recently. He leans on the usual suspects for his theology. Also turns to the pages of youtube, the local and national news and of course the drollage of the www prophets.

    anyway, i'll keep looking (up) for a resource, but always diligently  in the Word for the truth. What is truth? 

    Good luck on that. I've always wanted a good history on apocalyptic; most want to argue a view. Antichrist ditto.

    Mike's entry sounds offensive but appears to summarize the bulk of it: protestants needed a boogyman. And indeed, that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation.

    One resource that I've found helpful is Revelation: Four Views by Steve Gregg. (I have it in dead tree form.)  It's not specifically focused on the antichrist per se, but it gives a useful summary of the different approaches to understanding end-times.  It works through the book of Revelation in a commentary format, presenting each of the major views in parallel.  That might give you a useful framework for discussing the antichrist with your sibling.

    that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation.

    Are you sure you said precisely what you meant in the string above?

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation.

    Are you sure you said precisely what you meant in the string above?

    I'm sure, but I was generally defining it. Meaning, an against-God's-representative. Best I can see, it seems to show up about the same time as apocolyptic (and maybe shares the same thought process). My own opinion, Daniel/Ezekiel appear to be the first judaic to create a boogeyman vs a true righteous man (in this case Nebbie vs Daniel). And even Cyrus is oddly presented as YHWH's annointed (not even jewish). Prior OT is either not named (eg Pharoah), a satan type figure (Job, creation snake),  or against the people (Syria, Assyria, Babylon).

    Thanks for the refs. I've always viewed an antiChrist pope as a religious canard, since the NT makes no apology for James in Jerusalem (central decider), and the subsequent protestant used the same structure, complete with sin-voting (vs dice with the apostles).

    Added:

    I forgot the OT to NT link, Ezekiel as the base for Revelations. 

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

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    If the post was an attempt at humor, I apologize. However, based upon the forum rules, I have reported your post as abuse. It has been a couple of years since that has been an appropriate/necessary action.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    I suspect this one would be very helpful:

    https://www.thomasnelson.com/9781418567170/the-apocalypse-code/

    I wonder though why it's not in Logos or FL ebooks...

    FL Ebooks has Mark Hitchcock's Who is the Antichrist and Ron Rhodes' Unmasking the Antichrist.  They might be worth a look though I don't have them.  I believe they both are premil dispensational

    https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/18269 

    https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/18336 

    I suspect this one would be very helpful:

    https://www.thomasnelson.com/9781418567170/the-apocalypse-code/

    I wonder though why it's not in Logos or FL ebooks...

    Back in the Libronix age, they were going to release Hanks life works, it was never released (at least) I never saw it for sale   They seem to have a problem working with the bible man :) [:O]

    You might find this interesting: It has a chapter on antichrist     https://www.logos.com/product/166476/the-last-days-according-to-jesus-when-did-jesus-say-he-would-return 

    http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/  Solo a Dios la Gloria   Apoyo

    Back in the Libronix age, they were going to release Hanks life works, it was never released (at least) I never saw it for sale   They seem to have a problem working with the bible man :) Surprise

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    Many of Hank's works are in ebooks now, but not this particular one.

    Back in the Libronix age, they were going to release Hanks life works, it was never released (at least) I never saw it for sale   They seem to have a problem working with the bible man :) Surprise

    Tongue TiedSad

    Many of Hank's works are in ebooks now, but not this particular one.

    I'll ask around to see if I can convince FL to add this to FLEB

    It seems it is in FLEB!  Oops  https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/12405/the-apocalypse-code-find-out-what-the-bible-really-says-about-the-end-times-and-why-it-matters-today 

    Back in the Libronix age, they were going to release Hanks life works, it was never released (at least) I never saw it for sale   They seem to have a problem working with the bible man :) Surprise

    Tongue TiedSad

    Many of Hank's works are in ebooks now, but not this particular one.

    Actually this book is in FLEB

    https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/12405/the-apocalypse-code-find-out-what-the-bible-really-says-about-the-end-times-and-why-it-matters-today 

    Thanks to all who have responded. You've given me some good choices. 

    mm. [Y]

    Not available in Logos, but you might find Robert C. Fuller's Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession (Oxford University Press, 1995) useful.

    EDIT: Just discovered it is available as an e-book from Google Books, and you can look at a preview of it there.

    Not available in Logos, but you might find Robert C. Fuller's Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession (Oxford University Press, 1995) useful.

    EDIT: Just discovered it is available as an e-book from Google Books, and you can look at a preview of it there.

    Thank you, Rosie. I started looking at the author; what a fascinating range of writings! I got carried away with:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CN50AIW/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i9 

    I finished another book on how early trauma can impact the mind/body. Then I got to thinking about the theological implications. I'm hoping he'll touch on that. He also has a volume on the unchurched.

    Ok, back to the antiChrist.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

    Not available in Logos, but you might find Robert C. Fuller's Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession (Oxford University Press, 1995) useful.

    EDIT: Just discovered it is available as an e-book from Google Books, and you can look at a preview of it there.

    In the introduction Fuller lists some other resources you might want to check out:

    Much of this history of the concept of the Antichrist has been chronicled.
    For example, the early history of this persistent symbol of humanity's
    most vile enemy can be found in Bernard McGinn's study of medieval
    apocalypticism, Visions of the End. In addition, J. Burton Russell's history
    of the devil, The Prince of Darkness, Richard Emmerson's Antichrist in the
    Middle Ages, and Christopher Hill's Antichrist in Seventeenth-Century England
    describe important stages in the evolution of Christianity's attitudes toward
    its archenemy.

    From Tom's list, I was looking at McGinn. He has quite a few, but one on 2,000 years of the antiChrist:

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060655437/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p2_i11 

    Not expensive, but the reviews get excited.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

    Milkman:

    Long time ago I read some articles found in the net about the topic. You can probably find some with more recent info. A summary of what I remember:

    1 Antichrist supposedly is (or will be) a Jew that is an apostate (maybe going to Islam).

    2 Seems that will be of homosexual lifestyle (interpreting that he will be impervious to the love of women maybe).

    3 Interesting that the Muslims are waiting for the Al Mahdi, who coincidentally will reign for 7 years (can you spell tribulation?).

    4 will sit in the 3rd temple (Ezekiel's) and will proclaim himself to be God.

    5 Jesus will come and kill him with the breath of His mouth.

    6 nations will be deceived by such antichrist until he does 4, then they will realize he is out of whack. 

    7 supposedly what holds him from doing what he will is the presence of the Holy Spirit, that once the warm believers (not lukewarm) are raptured, then he will step up flaming  to do his evil.

    Not very historical, mostly oriented to the future. You can explore certain phrases like Al Mahdi, etc.

    You can probably find some with more recent info. A summary of what I remember:

    Which part of this do you not understand?

    Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics. Use one of the many web forums intended for these kinds of discussions.

    I'd be glad to help you with whatever you don't understand. If you do understand, please also understand that in the forums, we are all equal and all obligated to stay within the rules.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    MJ.

    Milkman wants information about the Antichrist. He wants recommendation of resources in historical view. At least that is what I understood.

    Maybe he has not considered that there is information about that entity, in other resources he has. I mentioned some of the things I read, so he can use some of that to find information that may be useful.

    I am not discussing with Milkman about the Antichrist, just providing leads to where he can direct some focus for research. 

    I am not saying that it is the ultimate guide, just some pointers.

    I myself do not think the Pope is the antichrist. I did not start a discussion about that because that was not what Milkman asked about. 

    Milkman wants information about the Antichrist

    From my perspective you presented seven theological points as if they were facts, gave no references for Milkman to follow up, and provide no tie into Logos.

    He wants recommendation of resources in historical view.

    If you provided recommendation of resources, even with your theological points, you would be within the forum guidelines. Or, if you tied it into the actual use of Logos ...

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

    I mentioned some of the things I read, so he can use some of that to find information that may be useful.

    I don't know if you believe what you read or wrote, but I was really troubled by two things you had posted that I felt were prejudiced.

    I appreciate that you're trying to help give Milkman some ideas of what he can research, but some of these viewpoints might come across as more hurtful than helpful.

    I did not start a discussion about ...

    Just providing a controversial lead, even if people don't reply to it, can be problematic.

    I think it's best for all of us to try to follow the forum rules, and post theological viewpoints at a different site such as ChristianDiscourse.

    Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

    Well I really didn't think the Post would go like this.

    However, I just want to thank everyone for their very helpful advice and leads.

    mm.

    Well I really didn't think the Post would go like this.

    Milk freezes on the porch.  

    I just finished a terribly written book on Christianity and the (literal) body as a source of theologies. It had lots and lots of interesting points. It even spoke to why there's so many ladies headed straight for heaven (he suggested instead, the guys, hormones, etc, as I also suspected and Jesus hinted at).

    But he also spoke to apocalyptic, antiChrists, etc. That part was depressing. Unfortunately, it's connected to the lower/older part of the brain. Not easy to consciously manage.

    Ok, important tip: never ship frozen cranberries to Arizona. We did that. No frozen milk, though.

    "If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.

    You are welcome Milkman, do not let the situation discourage you from keeping researching interesting and important topics.

    If you want more input on different topics you may try to start a page in Faithlife for a group to mention different angles for studying a topic (not arguing about the topics themselves).

    Each has the responsibility to check to see if the suggested theological constructs jibe with the thrusts of the Bible and with the nature and character of God. Such is an undelegable responsibility of each true believer.

    Thanks to your input, I was able to get the resource I posted, I will try to read it, as is a topic that I did not go in deeply at the time I browsed about, to try to see which conjecture seems to best fit the available evidence we have.

    Blessings.

    Can someone suggest a thorough resource on the history of the antichrist? 

    mm. 

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    Found this website called Antichrist File at: www.antichristfile.com 

    Contains a lot of very intriguing information. 

    THE ANTICHRIST IS IDENTIFIED AT: www.royalblood.vip

    Can someone suggest a thorough resource on the history of the antichrist? 

    mm. 

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    Found this website called Antichrist File at: www.antichristfile.com 

    Contains a lot of very intriguing information. 

    So, you're milkman

    Then True North

    And now its

    Von Helton

    As a last resort.

    xxxxxx

    With that inundation of snow

    True North's

    The way to go [shovel]

    www.antichristfile.com 

    So, you're milkman

    Then True North

    And now its

    Von Helton

    As a last resort.

    xxxxxx

    With that inundation of snow

    True North's

    The way to go [shovel]

    __________________________

    Huh?

    THE ANTICHRIST IS IDENTIFIED AT: www.royalblood.vip