Can someone suggest a thorough resource on the history of the antichrist?
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https://www.logos.com/product/9936/the-history-of-the-popes-from-the-close-of-the-middle-ages
Good luck on that. I've always wanted a good history on apocalyptic; most want to argue a view. Antichrist ditto.
Mike's entry sounds offensive but appears to summarize the bulk of it: protestants needed a boogyman. And indeed, that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation.
No offence meant. Not too sure how others will reply
Just looking for a book on how ppl want to see the boogyman behind world events. He's there, no he's over there. Gorbychov, Obama, Hitler, musselini, yada yada yada.
Now of course a book on how ppl view the "end" throughout history is what I would like, but I'm in conversation with a younger sib that is a "world events looker." Jack Hibb is his go to guy. Never heard of him until recently. He leans on the usual suspects for his theology. Also turns to the pages of youtube, the local and national news and of course the drollage of the www prophets.
anyway, i'll keep looking (up) for a resource, but always diligently in the Word for the truth. What is truth?
Good luck on that. I've always wanted a good history on apocalyptic; most want to argue a view. Antichrist ditto. Mike's entry sounds offensive but appears to summarize the bulk of it: protestants needed a boogyman. And indeed, that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation.
One resource that I've found helpful is Revelation: Four Views by Steve Gregg. (I have it in dead tree form.) It's not specifically focused on the antichrist per se, but it gives a useful summary of the different approaches to understanding end-times. It works through the book of Revelation in a commentary format, presenting each of the major views in parallel. That might give you a useful framework for discussing the antichrist with your sibling.
I suspect this one would be very helpful:
https://www.thomasnelson.com/9781418567170/the-apocalypse-code/
I wonder though why it's not in Logos or FL ebooks...
FL Ebooks has Mark Hitchcock's Who is the Antichrist and Ron Rhodes' Unmasking the Antichrist. They might be worth a look though I don't have them. I believe they both are premil dispensational
https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/18269
https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/18336
I suspect this one would be very helpful: https://www.thomasnelson.com/9781418567170/the-apocalypse-code/ I wonder though why it's not in Logos or FL ebooks...
Back in the Libronix age, they were going to release Hanks life works, it was never released (at least) I never saw it for sale They seem to have a problem working with the bible man [:O]
You might find this interesting: It has a chapter on antichrist https://www.logos.com/product/166476/the-last-days-according-to-jesus-when-did-jesus-say-he-would-return
Back in the Libronix age, they were going to release Hanks life works, it was never released (at least) I never saw it for sale They seem to have a problem working with the bible man
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Many of Hank's works are in ebooks now, but not this particular one.
Thanks to all who have responded. You've given me some good choices.
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Back in the Libronix age, they were going to release Hanks life works, it was never released (at least) I never saw it for sale They seem to have a problem working with the bible man Many of Hank's works are in ebooks now, but not this particular one.
I'll ask around to see if I can convince FL to add this to FLEB
It seems it is in FLEB! Oops https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/12405/the-apocalypse-code-find-out-what-the-bible-really-says-about-the-end-times-and-why-it-matters-today
Actually this book is in FLEB
https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/12405/the-apocalypse-code-find-out-what-the-bible-really-says-about-the-end-times-and-why-it-matters-today
Not available in Logos, but you might find Robert C. Fuller's Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession (Oxford University Press, 1995) useful.
EDIT: Just discovered it is available as an e-book from Google Books, and you can look at a preview of it there.
Not available in Logos, but you might find Robert C. Fuller's Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession (Oxford University Press, 1995) useful. EDIT: Just discovered it is available as an e-book from Google Books, and you can look at a preview of it there.
Thank you, Rosie. I started looking at the author; what a fascinating range of writings! I got carried away with:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CN50AIW/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i9
I finished another book on how early trauma can impact the mind/body. Then I got to thinking about the theological implications. I'm hoping he'll touch on that. He also has a volume on the unchurched.
Ok, back to the antiChrist.
In the introduction Fuller lists some other resources you might want to check out:
Much of this history of the concept of the Antichrist has been chronicled.For example, the early history of this persistent symbol of humanity'smost vile enemy can be found in Bernard McGinn's study of medievalapocalypticism, Visions of the End. In addition, J. Burton Russell's historyof the devil, The Prince of Darkness, Richard Emmerson's Antichrist in theMiddle Ages, and Christopher Hill's Antichrist in Seventeenth-Century Englanddescribe important stages in the evolution of Christianity's attitudes towardits archenemy.
From Tom's list, I was looking at McGinn. He has quite a few, but one on 2,000 years of the antiChrist:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060655437/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p2_i11
Not expensive, but the reviews get excited.
Milkman:
Long time ago I read some articles found in the net about the topic. You can probably find some with more recent info. A summary of what I remember:
1 Antichrist supposedly is (or will be) a Jew that is an apostate (maybe going to Islam).
2 Seems that will be of homosexual lifestyle (interpreting that he will be impervious to the love of women maybe).
3 Interesting that the Muslims are waiting for the Al Mahdi, who coincidentally will reign for 7 years (can you spell tribulation?).
4 will sit in the 3rd temple (Ezekiel's) and will proclaim himself to be God.
5 Jesus will come and kill him with the breath of His mouth.
6 nations will be deceived by such antichrist until he does 4, then they will realize he is out of whack.
7 supposedly what holds him from doing what he will is the presence of the Holy Spirit, that once the warm believers (not lukewarm) are raptured, then he will step up flaming to do his evil.
Not very historical, mostly oriented to the future. You can explore certain phrases like Al Mahdi, etc.
You can probably find some with more recent info. A summary of what I remember:
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that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation.
Are you sure you said precisely what you meant in the string above?
The Origin of the Myth that the Pope is the Antichrist
To research on why the reformers got the idea:
that's how you trace it in the OT > NT > Reformation. Are you sure you said precisely what you meant in the string above? The Origin of the Myth that the Pope is the Antichrist Wikipedia has a decent article that covers a fair historical swath. TGC offers The 7 Most Popular Contenders for the Title ‘Antichrist’
I'm sure, but I was generally defining it. Meaning, an against-God's-representative. Best I can see, it seems to show up about the same time as apocolyptic (and maybe shares the same thought process). My own opinion, Daniel/Ezekiel appear to be the first judaic to create a boogeyman vs a true righteous man (in this case Nebbie vs Daniel). And even Cyrus is oddly presented as YHWH's annointed (not even jewish). Prior OT is either not named (eg Pharoah), a satan type figure (Job, creation snake), or against the people (Syria, Assyria, Babylon).
Thanks for the refs. I've always viewed an antiChrist pope as a religious canard, since the NT makes no apology for James in Jerusalem (central decider), and the subsequent protestant used the same structure, complete with sin-voting (vs dice with the apostles).
Added:
I forgot the OT to NT link, Ezekiel as the base for Revelations.
MJ.
Milkman wants information about the Antichrist. He wants recommendation of resources in historical view. At least that is what I understood.
Maybe he has not considered that there is information about that entity, in other resources he has. I mentioned some of the things I read, so he can use some of that to find information that may be useful.
I am not discussing with Milkman about the Antichrist, just providing leads to where he can direct some focus for research.
I am not saying that it is the ultimate guide, just some pointers.
I myself do not think the Pope is the antichrist. I did not start a discussion about that because that was not what Milkman asked about.
Milkman wants information about the Antichrist
From my perspective you presented seven theological points as if they were facts, gave no references for Milkman to follow up, and provide no tie into Logos.
He wants recommendation of resources in historical view.
If you provided recommendation of resources, even with your theological points, you would be within the forum guidelines. Or, if you tied it into the actual use of Logos ...
I mentioned some of the things I read, so he can use some of that to find information that may be useful.
I don't know if you believe what you read or wrote, but I was really troubled by two things you had posted that I felt were prejudiced.
I appreciate that you're trying to help give Milkman some ideas of what he can research, but some of these viewpoints might come across as more hurtful than helpful.
I did not start a discussion about ...
Just providing a controversial lead, even if people don't reply to it, can be problematic.
I think it's best for all of us to try to follow the forum rules, and post theological viewpoints at a different site such as ChristianDiscourse.
Which makes a good point, who determines what is a controversial lead?
I am not arguing with Milkman about anything, I am just telling him that there are certain thrusts that historically have been associated with the Antichrist and that come straight from the Bible.
I assume that Milkman wants to get to the root of the perceived problem some believers have with the antichrist, if is a future event.
Does not Milkman have a right to investigate for himself to try to elucidate truth from the Bible to see if things are so?
The forum guidelines say, "Please do not discuss or debate biblical, theological, or other controversial topics."
who determines what is a controversial lead?
there are certain thrusts ... that come straight from the Bible
Those types of discussions are better suited for a different web forum.
We should cooperate with the guidelines, and limit our discussion to Logos Bible Software.
Now, Petah. How can a gay, jewish guy, who rejected either YHWH or Jesus (not sure), and takes over a floating really-big city, be controversial? Granted, it sounds like the mid-1930s in Germany, but gee, what could happen? Yes, I'm agreeing. Some things seem too obvious.
Denise:
Would not it be better to research and see why some believers have thought that way? Daniel 11:37.
Do not let contextual lived reality get in the way of studies:
The problem may not be that the antichrist in the hypothesis is supposedly Jew, (as true practicing Jews are a blessing to the world in any era), the problem is the supposed apostasy that happens.
What would make a person apostate? hope is not the ostrich attitude of hiding from strong, important, and controversial issues, and the taking action to prevent further problems (in a godly way, not unethical).
With the LGSBT move on the rise (having legit legal issues), how can we keep a check on the possible taking over by a charismatic leader (with really an anti Christ agenda), and prevent the use of such movement to unleash destruction on true believers, if the interpretation of Daniel is right about the antichrist?
Then the Al Mahdi question: can we do something to improve relations with Muslims to avoid pushing them into a coalition against Christians, or is clash inevitable?
So what is the responsibility of christians looking at possible future scenarios, and trying to ring the alarm, while some others still think the Pope is a problem?
Are general christians being misdirected as to the real threat?
The only fully orthodox Being in the Universe is God. But we should give some serious thought to hypothesis like the Al Mahdi, etc. lest it not catch us unprepared if proven true.
To compare the above with nazi Germany is in my opinion missing the point.
Milkman, for a different hypothesis:
https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/55432/end-times-and-the-secret-of-the-mahdi-unlocking-the-mystery-of-revelation-and-the-antichrist
Well I really didn't think the Post would go like this.
However, I just want to thank everyone for their very helpful advice and leads.
Milk freezes on the porch.
I just finished a terribly written book on Christianity and the (literal) body as a source of theologies. It had lots and lots of interesting points. It even spoke to why there's so many ladies headed straight for heaven (he suggested instead, the guys, hormones, etc, as I also suspected and Jesus hinted at).
But he also spoke to apocalyptic, antiChrists, etc. That part was depressing. Unfortunately, it's connected to the lower/older part of the brain. Not easy to consciously manage.
Ok, important tip: never ship frozen cranberries to Arizona. We did that. No frozen milk, though.
You are welcome Milkman, do not let the situation discourage you from keeping researching interesting and important topics.
If you want more input on different topics you may try to start a page in Faithlife for a group to mention different angles for studying a topic (not arguing about the topics themselves).
Each has the responsibility to check to see if the suggested theological constructs jibe with the thrusts of the Bible and with the nature and character of God. Such is an undelegable responsibility of each true believer.
Thanks to your input, I was able to get the resource I posted, I will try to read it, as is a topic that I did not go in deeply at the time I browsed about, to try to see which conjecture seems to best fit the available evidence we have.
Blessings.
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Found this website called Antichrist File at: www.antichristfile.com
Contains a lot of very intriguing information.
Can someone suggest a thorough resource on the history of the antichrist? mm. ___________ Found this website called Antichrist File at: www.antichristfile.com Contains a lot of very intriguing information.
So, you're milkman
Then True North
And now its
Von Helton
As a last resort.
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With that inundation of snow
True North's
The way to go [shovel]
www.antichristfile.com
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