the new Logos 8 Notes Tool - loss of Logos 7 Note file functionality
hi Logos !! and everyone!
I'm missing loss of funtionality from Logos 7 notes.
Although the new Notes tool has many advantages, there is so much missing. Great there hjave been upgrades to the Favourites menu in Logos 8.2, but still remaining,
TITLED NOTE FILES -
the Title of each NOTE FILE showing up in the windows tab- for one screen organisation assists a lot if there are 10-30 note files open
and so that a new note can be sent directly to a chosen NOTE FILE directly from by right clicking the context tab (going directly to a specific NOTE FILE without any further tagging or renaming etc) allows work at speed
Using 30 notes at the same time is incredibly powerful, it means using them quite differently to post it notes, but using each titled NOTE FILE as a seperate resource for reading, information, they can be quite large and built up over years, clever use of formatting helps, and the split screen.
NOTE FILE functionality is seperate to PBs becuase the NOTE FILE resource can be edited in logos in real time ( the PB has to be rebuilt outside Logos etc) . I
one of over 20 different scenarios- for example when reading a text book I used to have at least 5 Logos 7 NOTE FILES for each of many types of study/ topic / approach/ associated with different aspects of work....., building a series of different resources for later use.
I'm quite convinced no one at LOGOS yet appreciates how the former NOTE FILES could be used as seperate named resources in this way, because if they had have done the functionality would not have been lost.
I'm sure and very surprised.... they did not realise how powerful the Logos 7 notes files could be, and how they could be used..( a great many other logos users also!...).
. and therefore might still not be fully aware how the loss of functionality is impacting some users,
hopefully someone at logos is reading this! I will happily explain more directly to logos or chat over the phone if it would help...
best wishes
Michael
The Notes tool will likely continue to get attention and improvements. Here is a link that demonstrates the direction we will likely see the notes tool take.
https://support.logos.com/hc/en-us/articles/360016616512-Notes-FAQ
Logging Tool
hi
thanks for the link,
which indicates logos 7 NOTES TITLES functionality is indeed being cut.
best wishes
Michael
I can tell you this was discussed during the L8 beta. I was a fan of having titles as well. To be honest though this was not a high priority issue for most.
I do not know if there underlying coding hurdles, or something else within the tool that makes it difficult to incorporate titles. Perhaps there is. Maybe someone can FL will see this thread and be able to provide more insight.
Logging Tool
hi Fredc thanks for the reply
I would love to see an outline of the discussion of TITLED NOTE FILES at the L8 beta.
I'm convinced that Logos are not aware of the signficance of their functionality on the basis of someone from Logos/Faithlife asking a user on one of these forum/threads how and why the user had so many note files open, why and how so many note files oculd be simulatenously used.....
so I really would like to hear some discussion from logos/faithlife about it.
I've invested a lot of time and money in a very effective way of working, so many ways and variations, using TITLED NOTE FILESas independant resources
I have written posts about this many times recently, but no one from faihtflife has replied the issue is understood, yet alone why the fiuctionality hjas been unrecognised or lost.
Hoping the TITLED NOTE FILES will be restored or ...?
best wishes
Michael
Tab titles were nice for L7 on the infrequent occasions when I had two Notes documents open.
Since notebooks will be showing up in Docs, perhaps there will be more of a need for corresponding tab titles for the times when we have more than one notebook document open.
If it can be done in L8, I'd prefer a specific (notebook) title rather than a generic Notes title.
Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!
That link talks about Note Titles being removed. That's different from Note Document (Notebook) titles.
For your problem with Notebook titles not being shown on tabs, I have no further information beyond Adam's response to Wayne earlier: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/176832/1027818.aspx#1027818
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
hi Andrew
Thanks for your email. I had just posted the question again elsewhere in this thread.
In the first instance can someone from faithlife/logos provide reassurance the functionality issues are actually understood and recognised??
I keep typing posts about the signficiance of the loss of functionality without knowing whether anyone understands the issue ...I'm repeating over and over again?
best wishes
Michael
I am a Faithlife developer. The green leaf under my portrait indicates that I'm a Faithlife employee.
I suspect no one from Faithlife responded further to the issue being posted in multiple places because Adam Borries responded in the other thread indicating understanding of the problem, and that it should be easy to fix.
I checked, and it turns out that the issue is already being investigated for a possible fix in an upcoming beta. I'm not, however, going to make any promises until it actually shows up implemented in a release. Things happen sometimes...
Andrew Batishko | Logos software developer
hi Andrew
thank you for your reply. I'm new to the forums, thanks for pointing out how to recognise your Faithlife status.
I had noted that Adam had indicated recognition of that there were
1/ no titles showing up in the tabs, and that should be easy to fix.
however...
2/ nothing has been said about those NOTE FILE TITLES showing up in the context menu after right clicking?
3/ timescales? Obviously I was not aware when the titles in the windows tabs might be fixed, weeks, months, years etc or if it was recognised as significant to be urgent. ??
hence as whether it is marked as urgent or not depends upon recognition of the wider issue, notably how TITLED NOTE FILES can be used as independant resources.....I have continued in the hope this is or might be recognised? and if there are other issues in this regard...
it has been great the FAVOURITES menu issues ( with Note files) have been returned to Logos 7 functionality.
best wishes
Michael
Hi, Michael,
Just a very quick response here. Yes, we've scheduled the developer work to put the notebook title in the Notes panel tab. This means writing the code; it will take some time for that functionality to filter down through our shipping cycle so you see it working in the app. Like Andrew, I hesitate to put a date on it, since surprises can happen. It might turn out to be harder than we thought, or some other urgent thing might take priority, or maybe it will just turn out to be a bad experience and we need to think of a better solution; but, if all goes well, we are talking on the order of weeks, not years.
On whether notebook titles should appear in the context menu, we have an ongoing internal debate. No decision has been made at the time of this writing.
--Adam
hi Adam
thanks for your reply.
It seems to me that once TITLES in the window's TABS is restored, it must be obvious to restore the complimentary functionality of having those TITLES appear in the CONTEXT menu?
...for thew restoration of the functionality of Logos 7 notes, which I took for granted for years, but now consider amazing, in its absence... I'm not sure how many other Logos users are fully aware of the potential of using TITLE note files ( or the equivalent functionality in the new notes tool) which can be dragged over to the FAVOURITES Menu, organised as a User defined library though folders and sub folders.... and thereby organise many TITLED note files and simultaneously use them on screen as independant stand alone resources, which can be edited in real time ( unlike PBs) especially if the user like me has several additional computer monitors...
I had just purchased a computer to run four monitors especially for using Logos resources and NOTE files in this way ( before I only had two monitors, but four is great)
best wishes
Michael
Hello, Michael,
I understand your request perfectly. Nothing has changed since my response a few days ago, but I will try to provide some clarity.
You would like:
Status: This work is already underway.
Status: Undecided.
Regarding the context menu, I understand why this seems obvious -- really, I do -- but it represents an important user experience (UX) design decision we have to make on behalf of our users. Notebooks are analogous to old note documents, but they are not the same. Notebooks are an important but optional way of organizing notes. In the past, note documents were commonly used to organize notes either by resource or by book of the Bible, both of which are served by the anchors and facets in the Notes tool; using notebooks in the same way is still possible, but is redundant, and ultimately more work for user. Notebooks are still useful for organizing by topic, occasion, and many others, but are still discussing how much prominence to give them in the UI.
The important decision was to minimise, and remove (some/much) of the functionality of L7 Note files, without consulting users; without their being aware that this would be a consequence of importing their Notes & Highlights into Logos 8 using Notebooks. If regarded as redundant, that is not the opinion of users, who also don't think it is "more work". That functionality (equivalence) should be maintained, without consideration of "prominence" in the UI.
Is it good design to have multiple instances of Notes without a unique Tab title (and I can extend that to aspects of the L8 Tab design)? I am amazed that a note/highlight can end up in "No Notebook"; which can't be listed as a Filter item, but there is an obvious invitation to move it to a named Notebook. Now that is more work.
Dave
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Windows 11 & Android 13
hi Dave
I couldn't agree more.
my ideal world would be as follows:
.I would like to see both the old LOGOS 7 Notes Documents system and the new LOGOS 8 NOTES Tool running simultaneously,
with users able to choose which TYPE of note to create, and NO overlap between one type of note or another ( if technical reasons make it implausible to develop) .
(If users wanted to migrate all their Logos 7 notes into the New Logos 8 notes tool then they know it is a one way journey and they could not create new notes in the LOGOS 7 NOTES DOCUMENTS)
All logos have to do is bring back the LOGOS 7 NOTES DOCUMENTS- with all thier old functionality
keep them as seperate entities to the new LOGOS 8 NOTES TOOL and users can choose each occasion what type of note they wish to create....
then can have the best of both worlds...!?!
best wishes
Michael